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Audacity Seeketh Maximus since: Jan 2005	Sep 17, 12 at 11:04am ^ re: WWE PPV Thread 2012 (Pt. 9) [ Night of Champions: September 16, 2012 ]
	Log in to remove this sponsored message quote JonesLFC not at all, but i still don't think it's worth £15 Agreed. I don't even buy Royal Rumble. I pay for Wrestlemania, when there's about 5 of us watching anyway so only £3 each. The rest I stream or watch on Sky Sports. Stream never cut out once last night and although the quality is poorer, it beats paying £15. -------------------
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c_lynch s-e-e-k-e-r total posts: 1673 since: Jan 2011	Sep 17, 12 at 11:04am ^ re: WWE PPV Thread 2012 (Pt. 9) [ Night of Champions: September 16, 2012 ]
	quote JonesLFC quote Lazzara you said the main event wasn't good based on a report from dirtsheet no i didnt. I said the ending was. The rest of the match was good, as i already said quote fifthcolumn I ordered almost every single PPV from WWE for the past years up until No Way Out (streamed TNA and maybe one fall PPV a year), and honestly even though it was overpriced never really minded so long as I got one excellent match or one good mark out moment. WWE has stopped providing, so I stopped paying. this tbh It might have been a decent few matches, but nothing special, not worth the money imo. I only buy mania and the rumble these days as they're always good no matter what i'd feel physically sick thinking i'd spent £100-200 a year on wwe events lol, and americans have to pay for every event too, dont they? aye, we at least get the odd free one. As for the ppv i enjoyed it, all the matches were pretty solid (dont know about the us tittle , i fast forwarded it) punk and cena was brilliant - ending was actually pretty cool imo - people complain about predictability , yet here , we were thrown a fantastic curve ball which is going to link the feud well into HIAC. And surprise, surprise we still have moaners... one of which didnt watch the match live. You cant know the result beforehand and expect it to suck then watch the ending ! of course you're not going to like it! side note ; cena (on the outside after the dive through the ropes) to heyman "thats six!) ------------------- Unemployed as bleep
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The Hazard Liquor at the front, poker in the rear Elite Seeker total posts: 31545 GameGrep pts: 229 since: Dec 2004	Sep 17, 12 at 11:45am ^ re: WWE PPV Thread 2012 (Pt. 9) [ Night of Champions: September 16, 2012 ]
	quote JonesLFC quote Lazzara quote JonesLFC and i'll pay for a show when they come up with one that's actually good enough to pay for. Apart from mania and rumble.It sounds like an ok event, but bleep paying for it. Nothing special at all and all predicted winners as usual. If i want to watch it i'll watch it online, like i just did. rofl. is it going to make it better had del rio, ryder, sin cara, kofi/truth, and cena won? it was a good PPV. There wasn't a let down. Wtf finish, but if you actually watched the whole match w/o knowing the result, it was actually pretty amazing. Plenty of near falls that we thought were gonna seal the deal, and I'm pretty sure everyone was like "wtf" when Cena won by a superplex. not at all, but i still don't think it's worth £15 when i already know who's going to win every match. Predictability ruins wrestling. Being apart of the IWC and going on about predictability ruins wrestling. Being apart of forums that will dissect every corner of a storyline and predict every possible outcome through a different member, ruins wrestling(well rather sours it). It's really all subjective though because some people still live on all of this but however you wanna put the pin on "predictability", it's not all on WWE. All the aforementioned results were only obvious in hindsight. ADR could've very well won the title, Sheamus could've just as well won with the Cloverleaf, despite the unbanning. Ziggler could've won his match, and "Team Friendship" could've easily imploded before the match would even end with one walking out on the other. It's only "obvious" that they won because it was supposedly the "right thing to do" in order to help give interest to the tag team division. It's almost what its come down to for IWC critics, either the booking is predictable or "malleable", as in can go either way to give everyone an out. You'll have that 10% margin when its neither. Honestly, being analytical like this comes at a price. Funny that now all these folks on Youtube are starting to see how 2003-2006 were also the "good old days". Not what it sounded like at thetime when shit was going down then, though.
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Lazzara #riseabovehate 4 lyf Permanently Plugged In total posts: 13208 since: Mar 2004	Sep 17, 12 at 1:17pm ^ re: WWE PPV Thread 2012 (Pt. 9) [ Night of Champions: September 16, 2012 ]
	quote fifthcolumn It really doesn't take an avid dirt sheet reader to be able to pretty accurately call an event like NoC, you just need to have an understanding of the product - Punk had just introduced Heyman as his manager, so it wouldn't have made sense for him to lose the title right when a new storyline was budding that centralized on him being champion. After the past month of the Sheamus-Del Rio feud being around the Brogue Kick, as soon as it was reinstated it was pretty obvious that's how the story was going to end. Kane and Daniel Bryan have been getting an insane amount of TV time and fans have been loving them as a team, so I don't think many were surprised to see them beat the insanely garbage and played out take champs rather than lose and just go back to feuding after all this character development. Miz and Cesaro are both new champs, so it's not a surprise they retained, and even if it wasn't, the stock is so low in the midcard titles that it wouldn't have really mattered. And Orton and Ziggler are both so freaking bland and have wrestled so many times in the past year that it didn't even matter who won this time around. That's the problem, though. Some of you lot are analyzing wrestling too deep. It stops being fun when you take it seriously. People thought the product is getting to predictable, but I beg to differe Falling apart from the winner of the match (since it's pre-determined anyway, and can easily be predicted if you follow the storyline), I'd hardly call NoC predictable. Cena vs Punk's ending should've been the unpredictable moment, especially when people thought Cena had won only for Punk to get the title back. When brogue kick was no longer banned, it was supposed to be the unpredictable moment, especially since Sheamus had been using the submission move. When Sin Cara put the mask on the miz, it should've been the unpredictable moment. Ryder winning the battle royal was a nice surprise. DBD pushed Kane from the turnbuckle only to win the title was a mark out moment imo (though they botched it by giving DBD&Kane a win in similar fashion on RAW). But obviously you had the notion that you're just gonna hate the product regardless, hence why it's never gonna impress you. Stop taking it seriously and you might have some fun. ------------------- i will stand, take my stand at the back the motherbleeping bus cuz im a proud ass bleep ✪ Fandango Crew ✪
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JonesLFC true seeker since: Jul 2012	Sep 17, 12 at 2:21pm ^ re: WWE PPV Thread 2012 (Pt. 9) [ Night of Champions: September 16, 2012 ]
	quote The Hazard Being apart of the IWC and going on about predictability ruins wrestling. Being apart of forums that will dissect every corner of a storyline and predict every possible outcome through a different member, ruins wrestling(well rather sours it). It's really all subjective though because some people still live on all of this but however you wanna put the pin on "predictability", it's not all on WWE. No not really. Don't give a bleep what anyone else says, don't even read anything on here or dirtsheets most of the time, it doesn't change the fact that it's too predictable sometimes. Actually, i hadn't seen any rumours or discussion for this event, but all of the matches were very obvious imo. quote The Hazard All the aforementioned results were only obvious in hindsight. ADR could've very well won the title, Sheamus could've just as well won with the Cloverleaf, despite the unbanning. Ziggler could've won his match, and "Team Friendship" could've easily imploded before the match would even end with one walking out on the other. It's only "obvious" that they won because it was supposedly the "right thing to do" in order to help give interest to the tag team division. Could have, but they didn't. Those are alternative outcomes yes, but imo it was obvious. Del Rio wasn't going to win that. Especially after they allowed the brogue kick. But even if that was the most unpredictable match ever, i still wouldn't give a shit about that one so idc. They were not going to have Ziggler beat Orton twice in 2 weeks. No way. Kane and Bryan were obviously going to win. And they wouldn't have had them feuding again straight away after their recent stuff. Punk will be champ at rumble. Again, no analysing going on, no rumours, no reading other's opinions, it was just predictable due to current situations. And that's down to WWE. simple
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Lesley Pro_04 #prayforboston (moderator) (neocrs) NeoWiki Best Practices and Help NeoWiki Community and Strategy NeoWiki Discussion, Suggestions and Feedback NeoWiki Requests and Planning Sports wiki super pokemon total posts: 8756 neopoints: 24319 GameGrep pts: 243 since: Jun 2004	Sep 17, 12 at 2:40pm ^ re: WWE PPV Thread 2012 (Pt. 9) [ Night of Champions: September 16, 2012 ]
	quote The Living Angelus Lesley Pro_04 >The crowd wasn't happy Really? I know you're a huge Cena fanboy, but every report I've read from people who also attended stated the crowd was mostly happy when it was announced Cena didn't win the title. So are you saying you're pissed because of the draw finish or the fact you somehow believe he had a shoulder up off the mat when he didn't and you wanted him to win? lol From where I was sitting I could hear a pretty good "bullshit" chant going (along with other grumblings that I won't repeat because I didn't pick up on them), because the way it looked to me is that a shoulder was off the mat. And it didn't help to have Justin Roberts jump the gun on the announcement either. Nonetheless, now that I've had some time to sleep on it, it was an incredible, WrestleMania Main Event-Quality match with an ending that wasn't great. Seriously, tying is like kissing your sister (or so I've heard because I'm an only child). The fans were giving Cena a standing O, showing an appreciation that some fans weren't giving him earlier in the evening. I also read that he rolled his ankle early in the match, pictured below. With that swelling it looks like there's a golf ball in his ankle. But he was able to finish the match--if he doesn't work through that I'll be surprised. ------------------- Proving the misperceptions of Asperger's Syndrome wrong to people since 1985, and will continue to do so as long as I live. And I NEVER give up OR quit when I'm faced with adversity!
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The Living Angelus "Your Grace"... I'm King now. Eternal total posts: 27851 since: Nov 2001	Sep 17, 12 at 4:18pm ^ re: WWE PPV Thread 2012 (Pt. 9) [ Night of Champions: September 16, 2012 ]
	I like how both Jones and Fifth can 100% confidently state the PPV was predictable after the event is done and over with and only after they read who won. Yet leading up to it, neither of them were anywhere to be seen "predicting" who would win what, whether or not Dolph would cash-in (something NO one can accurately predict; lucky guesses, about it), whether or not Kaitlyn and Layla would even go through, who would win the Fatal 4-way, who would win the Pre-show battle royal, nor predict how Cena and Punk would end. And up until it happened, no one really knew for sure whether or not Sheamus would lose with that stipulation having the Brogue Kick banned. Completely agree with Lazzara. These guys read results, bypass the match/event itself, call shit predictable, over analyze it to death thereafter to the point they sound disgruntled with what happens... when they didn't even watch it to begin with. Shit, I should just do that with everything in TNA, spare myself from having to sit through their product. No one would know the difference. -------------------
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The Hazard Liquor at the front, poker in the rear Elite Seeker total posts: 31545 GameGrep pts: 229 since: Dec 2004	Sep 17, 12 at 11:00pm ^ re: WWE PPV Thread 2012 (Pt. 9) [ Night of Champions: September 16, 2012 ]
	quote JonesLFC Could have, but they didn't. Those are alternative outcomes yes, but imo it was obvious. Del Rio wasn't going to win that. Especially after they allowed the brogue kick. Says who? The finisher ban suddenly gave more sense for Sheamus to win? Where's the logic in that? Could argue that he would've likely won with the Cloverleaf, but that didn't happen then did it? Now this is me asking this before they went with the retcon, and unbanned the kick. Once they did that, they went all the way through with the retcon - was it that predictable for WWE to go all the way back on their word and unban the Brogue Kick to have Sheamus retain by that very move? Really? quote But even if that was the most unpredictable match ever, i still wouldn't give a shit about that one so idc. Ah but of course. quote They were not going to have Ziggler beat Orton twice in 2 weeks. No way. That's the one thing I could give credence to, but even then.. Orton just got out of suspension, didn't work SummerSlam and has no problem putting others over, wouldn't have been that much out of the question. Still, fair do. quote Kane and Bryan were obviously going to win. And they wouldn't have had them feuding again straight away after their recent stuff. How so? And why not? They've only had one PPV match against each other, have tagged together twice tops before the PPV and plenty of airtime to expand on their relation with one another. They could've chosen not to go all the way through with their partnership, keep the tag team reign as a pipe dream in the chapter of their differently-crafted feud, which has been more than "I hate you, let's fight". If they hadn't won the titles and kept feuding, it would've still been something different, just that the tag titles would be in the same spot they've been in the past few months. Which isn't really beyond WWE's expectations. quote Punk will be champ at rumble. Right. You got this shit all figured out, and to top off you rely on live feeds and coverage to size up your opinions, to let everyone know that ending a main-event with a German suplex pin is some messed up shit. Y'know what? Not one damn person who watched the PPV feels the same. Because they saw how it went down and it was pretty suspensful, out of the norm and unforseen. Most of all, certain people chose not to go by "dos and don'ts" and are keeping their minds open - maybe the way you're thinking, you'll be able to smash the PPV prediction thread competition but your viewpoint is still far jaded.
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JonesLFC true seeker since: Jul 2012	Sep 18, 12 at 5:22am ^ re: WWE PPV Thread 2012 (Pt. 9) [ Night of Champions: September 16, 2012 ]
	quote The Hazard quote JonesLFC Could have, but they didn't. Those are alternative outcomes yes, but imo it was obvious. Del Rio wasn't going to win that. Especially after they allowed the brogue kick. Says who? The finisher ban suddenly gave more sense for Sheamus to win? Where's the logic in that? Could argue that he would've likely won with the Cloverleaf, but that didn't happen then did it? Now this is me asking this before they went with the retcon, and unbanned the kick. Once they did that, they went all the way through with the retcon - was it that predictable for WWE to go all the way back on their word and unban the Brogue Kick to have Sheamus retain by that very move? Really? quote But even if that was the most unpredictable match ever, i still wouldn't give a shit about that one so idc. Ah but of course. quote They were not going to have Ziggler beat Orton twice in 2 weeks. No way. That's the one thing I could give credence to, but even then.. Orton just got out of suspension, didn't work SummerSlam and has no problem putting others over, wouldn't have been that much out of the question. Still, fair do. quote Kane and Bryan were obviously going to win. And they wouldn't have had them feuding again straight away after their recent stuff. How so? And why not? They've only had one PPV match against each other, have tagged together twice tops before the PPV and plenty of airtime to expand on their relation with one another. They could've chosen not to go all the way through with their partnership, keep the tag team reign as a pipe dream in the chapter of their differently-crafted feud, which has been more than "I hate you, let's fight". If they hadn't won the titles and kept feuding, it would've still been something different, just that the tag titles would be in the same spot they've been in the past few months. Which isn't really beyond WWE's expectations. quote Punk will be champ at rumble. Right. You got this shit all figured out, and to top off you rely on live feeds and coverage to size up your opinions, to let everyone know that ending a main-event with a German suplex pin is some messed up shit. Y'know what? Not one damn person who watched the PPV feels the same. Because they saw how it went down and it was pretty suspensful, out of the norm and unforseen. Most of all, certain people chose not to go by "dos and don'ts" and are keeping their minds open - maybe the way you're thinking, you'll be able to smash the PPV prediction thread competition but your viewpoint is still far jaded. I've got all what shit figured out? Look, i don't know what to say. You might like to keep an open mind and pretend that something could happen, but to me, all the matches were obvious. And i was right. So i'm glad i didn't buy it. End of story really. And you do know i saw the main event, right? And no one who saw it feels the same way? Yeah, okay then lol, good one
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Red Devil 4 Life Resident Neo since: Dec 2007	Sep 18, 12 at 6:00am ^ re: WWE PPV Thread 2012 (Pt. 9) [ Night of Champions: September 16, 2012 ]
	quote JonesLFC quote The Hazard quote JonesLFC Could have, but they didn't. Those are alternative outcomes yes, but imo it was obvious. Del Rio wasn't going to win that. Especially after they allowed the brogue kick. Says who? The finisher ban suddenly gave more sense for Sheamus to win? Where's the logic in that? Could argue that he would've likely won with the Cloverleaf, but that didn't happen then did it? Now this is me asking this before they went with the retcon, and unbanned the kick. Once they did that, they went all the way through with the retcon - was it that predictable for WWE to go all the way back on their word and unban the Brogue Kick to have Sheamus retain by that very move? Really? quote But even if that was the most unpredictable match ever, i still wouldn't give a shit about that one so idc. Ah but of course. quote They were not going to have Ziggler beat Orton twice in 2 weeks. No way. That's the one thing I could give credence to, but even then.. Orton just got out of suspension, didn't work SummerSlam and has no problem putting others over, wouldn't have been that much out of the question. Still, fair do. quote Kane and Bryan were obviously going to win. And they wouldn't have had them feuding again straight away after their recent stuff. How so? And why not? They've only had one PPV match against each other, have tagged together twice tops before the PPV and plenty of airtime to expand on their relation with one another. They could've chosen not to go all the way through with their partnership, keep the tag team reign as a pipe dream in the chapter of their differently-crafted feud, which has been more than "I hate you, let's fight". If they hadn't won the titles and kept feuding, it would've still been something different, just that the tag titles would be in the same spot they've been in the past few months. Which isn't really beyond WWE's expectations. quote Punk will be champ at rumble. Right. You got this shit all figured out, and to top off you rely on live feeds and coverage to size up your opinions, to let everyone know that ending a main-event with a German suplex pin is some messed up shit. Y'know what? Not one damn person who watched the PPV feels the same. Because they saw how it went down and it was pretty suspensful, out of the norm and unforseen. Most of all, certain people chose not to go by "dos and don'ts" and are keeping their minds open - maybe the way you're thinking, you'll be able to smash the PPV prediction thread competition but your viewpoint is still far jaded. I've got all what shit figured out? Look, i don't know what to say. You might like to keep an open mind and pretend that something could happen, but to me, all the matches were obvious. And i was right. So i'm glad i didn't buy it. End of story really. And you do know i saw the main event, right? And no one who saw it feels the same way? Yeah, okay then lol, good one Think he meant the fact that you read what happened before seeing the main event, not really the same thing. Agree with you about not buying it though, bleep wasting 15 quid when there's no guarantee what you get will be good. Think Americans have to pay even more than us and an extra $10 fee if they want to watch in HD haha. -------------------
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Ajax blaziken92 Neo or Bust since: Dec 2004	Sep 18, 12 at 7:55am ^ re: WWE PPV Thread 2012 (Pt. 9) [ Night of Champions: September 16, 2012 ]
	Did Cena completely no-selling the crossface bother anyone else? -------------------
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Esso The Instrumental true seeker (2K Remix) total posts: 2198 since: Jul 2010	Sep 18, 12 at 8:18am ^ re: WWE PPV Thread 2012 (Pt. 9) [ Night of Champions: September 16, 2012 ]
	quote Ajax Did Cena completely no-selling the crossface bother anyone else? Me, so much. I think I pointed it out at the time. It was ridiculous really. -------------------
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Ajax blaziken92 Neo or Bust since: Dec 2004	Sep 18, 12 at 8:25am ^ re: WWE PPV Thread 2012 (Pt. 9) [ Night of Champions: September 16, 2012 ]
	quote Esso quote Ajax Did Cena completely no-selling the crossface bother anyone else? Me, so much. I think I pointed it out at the time. It was ridiculous really. It went from Cena having Punk in the STF and me honestly thinking he might tap, to Punk locking in the crossface and Cena doing as well at selling as Laurenitis did to sell Cena's AA a few months back. It completely killed the momentum of the match. -------------------
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Esso The Instrumental true seeker (2K Remix) total posts: 2198 since: Jul 2010	Sep 18, 12 at 9:31am ^ re: WWE PPV Thread 2012 (Pt. 9) [ Night of Champions: September 16, 2012 ]
	quote Ajax quote Esso quote Ajax Did Cena completely no-selling the crossface bother anyone else? Me, so much. I think I pointed it out at the time. It was ridiculous really. It went from Cena having Punk in the STF and me honestly thinking he might tap, to Punk locking in the crossface and Cena doing as well at selling as Laurenitis did to sell Cena's AA a few months back. It completely killed the momentum of the match. I agree completely, I have absolutely no idea why he would do that. Surly he knows how to sell one . -------------------
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Yogurt The Red Devils! ChaChaLaLa Resident Neo total posts: 2792 since: May 2008	Sep 18, 12 at 2:59pm ^ re: WWE PPV Thread 2012 (Pt. 9) [ Night of Champions: September 16, 2012 ]
	Cena likes to no-sell. Look what happened in his feud with the Great One - The Rock. ------------------- TimeSplitters 2 HD remake pls.
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