I am sick of Gogeta nerfers

Is that the best evidence that you can come up with?? Fusions need to be as strong as the plot indicates? I like how Slayersice gave you reasons why he thinks Gogeta is a beast, and all he gets back some B.S about plot.....Lol. you would fit right in over alt shinden

quote metal4ever

We don't even know how much stronger Trunks and Goten got

We do know they their power wasn't worth mentioning, unlike Gotenk's power. Also, Base Piccolo is still stronger than the boys, so their gains weren't that big.

quote metal4ever

And I already explained why this logic is contradictory. If kids were 30% weaker Gotenks would be as weak as they are. If they're 30% stronger then they surpass Boohan in base.

Why? Because you say so? The boys got a bit stronger, and Gotenk's power shot up. The huge difference between the boys and their fathers guarantee that Gogeta is a freaking beast, and that's without taking into the account that Gogeta probably gets as well.

quote metal4ever

It's not definite that Kibito > base kids.

What says otherwise?

quote metal4ever

Yes they are.

and?

quote metal4ever

Fusing before going Super Saiyan and transforming right after = fusing as Super Saiyans. If Fusions have exponential power-ups then fusing as SSj would be much more powerful.

What does this have to do with anything?

quote metal4ever

That doesn't mean the suppressed power isn't calculated into the Fusion. I can totally envision Goku fusing with Satan >>>> Videl fusing with Satan.

Goku can't fuse with Satan, you need to be of similar build, and be relatively close in power in order to perform the fusion dance. Goku is millions of times stronger than Satan, so this is irrelevant.

The problem with your little rant there is that Elder Kai says the effect are GREATER than fusion. We also have Goku thinking he would need to use Ssj to beat Gotenks-Boo, and elder kai says they wont need to because the POTARA is that amazing.. Lastly, we have Vegetto himself sayingf that he didnt think he would be so strong, and go as far a making Boo like a fool without even trying... Potara>> Metamorian is a fact..

Yah, I personally never bought the whole Base Gotenks post being stronger than Super Saiyan Gontenk Pre Room of Spirit of time crap..It's just not happening, Gotenks true power up came from him unlocking Super Saiyan 3..He was there for only 6 and half days after all.

Elder Kaioshin said that Potara's effects are greater than fusion. There is no denying it. I can't believe that in this day and age, people are still oblivious to this fact. Freaking Vegetto himself said he was shocked he could tool Gohan as easily as he did...

Why is Gohan-Boo stronger than base Vegetto? Not that I disagree, but the manga is silent on the matter, so assuming anything is just that, assumptions. By the way, Gogeta being stronger Gotenks by a shitton makes perfect sense considering the boys are pathetic compared to the adults.

Gogeta being inferior to Vegetto doesn't mean that he isn't a beast. Of course, when compared to Vegetto everybody is going to look like garbage. What I find ridiculous is putting Gogeta only marginally stronger than Gotenks..

That doesn't mean base Goku could take on Yakon, now does it?? It just means there are ways for him to see Yakon. Base Potara Gokan is implied to be stronger than Gotenks Boo, and Vegetto is "whats strongest"... So Vegetto has to be stronger than Base Gokan at the very least..and I doubt Gotenk-Boo and Gohan-Boo are that far apart.

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quote XxSkelterXx

Wrong. Vegetto is " whats strongest". Do I need to elaborate on the meaning of the word strongest? I would feel foolish if I have to tell you the meaning of the word strongest, but im afraid im going to have to. Btw, the whole Yakon thing, still waiting on evidence.

Goku went SSjin in order to lighten the area as he even said so. Already debunked.

No, Vegetto is stated to be created by the components which make the strongest type of fusion and not that Vegetto is the strongest fusion which no other can surpass. That's all there in the Japanese Manga. That's retarded. By that logic, Evil Boo and Ultimate Gohan using Potara would be weaker than Vegetto. It's also supported by the fact that Base Gokuhan > Gohan-Boo > Base Vegetto.

Again, there is nothing to debunk. Goku fights with Yakon. They fight rather evenly, Yakon almost hurts Goku with his claw, which is dumb if Goku is lot stronger than Yakon. Gohan thinks they all need to jump in and "help" in order for Yakon to go down without using Ssj. Vegeta says Dont jump in Goku has a PLAN... Now, where here is it hinted at that Base Goku> Yakon?? And I wont even bother addressing your Potara nonsense because manga quotes aren't good enough for you.

Because The Potara proved that it requires special ingredients in order to perform the best fusion. Goku and Vegeta are suited best for the potara.. Kaioshin is stronger than Kabito, and by a lot. Kibito-Shin is a weakling that's probably weaker than Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta. As you can see, a strong being fusing with a weaker being doesn't mean a Godly fusion will appear. Vegetto is the strongest because 2 rivaling beings came together, and fused.. That's exactly what Elder Kai said when he called Kibito-shin an idiot....The Potara went that far because Goku and Vegeta used it, and when they fused, " The strongest" appeared..Vegetto= whats strongest> any other Potara fusion. ..

I think that Goku and Vegeta make a much better, and potent fusion because they are rivals, are about the same age, body type, are both saiyans, and are close in power...everything about them is better for fusion. Gohan is stronger than both, and that's it. We aleady saw what happens when people that are not Goku and Vegeta fuse.

Whats your source? Because as far as I am concerned, the manga, nor the anime go into such details. The manga also doesn't tell us the whereabouts of Vegeta when the planet was being destroyed. So again, whats your source??