SSJ Goten vs Semi Perfect Cell - Page 3

What should be taken into consideration is the fact that we're speaking about sparring sessions. Logically; Vegeta should have no problems with Trunks if he did go all out; he should be far superior to his kid.

I think 75% of Teen Gohan is to much power for the kids. Lately, I've been thinking they are around Piccolo's Cell games power.. Yes, that's a joke in the Boo arc, but that's still impressive considering these are 2 guys that have been playing around with each other in peace time.

I'm thinking Goten/Trunks should be a good amount higher than Piccolo, given his reaction to their power (which was like a watered-down reaction to 50% MSSJ Goku). At worst, they'd be on his level though, although I think Post-RST Piccolo would wipe the floor with any pre-Cell Games opponent ten times over (he could be under Buff Cell [@ Trunks] power-wise, though, but I'm not too sure on that).

quote PrinceVegeta

quote G_O_G_E_T_A

What should be taken into consideration is the fact that we're speaking about sparring sessions. Logically; Vegeta should have no problems with Trunks if he did go all out; he should be far superior to his kid.

To be fair, their's wasn't even a sparring session; Trunks just barely scratched his face while he was standing still.

And anyhoo, the sparring sessions should be taken too seriously of course, but the reason Toriyama even put them in there was just to show that the kids aren't all as weak as they're made out to be by some. I don't think they'd have much trouble with the likes of Semi-Cell even pre-RoSaT, seeing as how that kind of power wouldn't make Gohan question as to whether the kids would surpass him one day or not.

At worse, I can see the kids being at around post-RoSaT Piccolo, given his reaction to their power (for the record, I believe Piccolo >>> Base Saiyans. ). Although, I probz was overrating them when I said 75% of Gohan.

As long as you're not going to claim that the kids are close to the adults based on those two little "fights" like some people do, then we're on the same page on this one

quote yoshitailsmog

I think they are definitely below Piccolo,because when Buutenks reverts to Buccollo,he has Piccolo's clothes,which means that Piccolo is still>kids.

The base level kids, yes. As Super Saiyans, I'm afraid Piccolo won't stand a snowball's chance against either one of them. Certainly not post-ROSAT.

Well, if you have Piccolo that high up the power chain, I don't see how the boys can be above Piccolo.. The boys are strong, that I won't argue about. But having them anywhere near close Goku at the Cell games is an overestimation IMO.

quote The Sadist

If Gotenks is much stronger so so were the kids.

Gotenks is much stronger because whatever little gains the boys gain, they got extrapolated because of the fusion. Piccolo even says this..

quote The Sadist

Gravity is irrelevant in DBZ as Vegeta was training at 150 times gravity as well and was serious and it looked like he can barely do it while base.

Vegeta was probably tired..He trains like a dumbass anyway.

quote The Sadist

The kids would squah Semi Perfect Cell like a bug after Rosat and they were holding their own vs Android 18 in their Base Forms.

Baseless..The kids and 18 where both holding back..Even Krillen told her to take it easy/ Them squashing Semi-Cell is speculation with no evidence behind it.

quote The Sadist

Piccolo was also blown away by the kids's ki before their Rosat and Piccolo > Android 16 is pretty obvious.

So was Vegeta by 8,000k Goku, and Cell by USSJ Tunks..your point>?

quote XxSkelterXx

Actually, I think Pocus is weak as shit, and I wouldn't be surprised if the Ginyu squad takes him out..

If Pocus is so weak, weaker than a low class saiyan, why in the world would babadi recruit him, when babadi only look for the strongest in the galaxy?

quote XxSkelterXx

Yet, something as simple as a suit hindered their power somehow? Let me get this straight. Your logic is that these boys are many times stronger than 18, yet they feel at a handicap because of the suit? If they where many times her power, they could sit there and tank her all day...Moving wouldn't be necessary. They feel at a handicap because they can't just sit there and tank her.
Hell, they can't even one-shot her..They would have if they could have, but they felt they need to settle it with a kai canon...wonder why?

Goten and trunks power won't be the issue, the issue would be movement and speed. Goten and trunks in SSJ might be able to see C18, but thanks to costume it make movement harder to move and speed, so C18 can get behind goten and trunks and ring out.

Goten and trunks should be able to tank if they are prepared but not surprise attack, we never seen any surprise attack being tanked.

Power is nothing without speed and movement. I wonder if C18 can make a weak kienza, thats the only logical way that C18 wouldn't kill goten and trunks.

quote XxSkelterXx

Wait, your logic is Ussj Trunks>>Perfect Cell>>Gohan>Goku?

When trunks saw perfect cell go buff for the first time, perfect cell was still suppressing. The one time that perfect is using full power and buff form combine is when he fight SSJ2 gohan.
SSJ2 gohan >> Full buff perfect cell > Buff perfect cell > Perfect cell > SSJ1 goku >> USSJ2

quote super michael

If Pocus is so weak, weaker than a low class saiyan, why in the world would babadi recruit him, when babadi only look for the strongest in the galaxy?

A low class saiyan is considered stronger than most of the universe, I don't see the problem.

quote super michael

Goten and trunks power won't be the issue, the issue would be movement and speed. Goten and trunks in SSJ might be able to see C18, but thanks to costume it make movement harder to move and speed, so C18 can get behind goten and trunks and ring out.

Do you think that If I put on a costume, a 6 year Kid could beat me? I don't think so.

quote super michael

Goten and trunks should be able to tank if they are prepared but not surprise attack, we never seen any surprise attack being tanked.

If they are that superior, they shouldn't get surprised...
The Freeza and Boo example are different, their backs where turned, and their attention was someplace else.

quote super michael

When trunks saw perfect cell go buff for the first time, perfect cell was still suppressing. The one time that perfect is using full power and buff form combine is when he fight SSJ2 gohan.
SSJ2 gohan >> Full buff perfect cell > Buff perfect cell > Perfect cell > SSJ1 goku >> USSJ2

The point is that not all statements that aren't contradicted have to be true.