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metal4ever King of the Fist s-e-e-k-e-r total posts: 1676 since: Dec 2008	Sep 26, 12 at 9:52pm ^ re: SSJ3 Goku vs Mystic Gohan
	Log in to remove this sponsored message quote rahully2j Maybe it's fake, I'm not sure. Anyways this is what goku states -> "Goku: “Oh, I know! You’ll bring Gohan and Gotenks back to life so they can fight.” He is talking about bringing both gohan and gotenks. So, this implies both of them are not that far ahead of Son. Not like a 10x gap or something. Gotenks doesn't have SSJ2 and I believe his boost from SSJ to SSJ3 is smaller compared to Goku. I have it around 3x. Works fine. SSj3 Gotenks's dimension ripping implies a rather high boost. You're using another vague statement in favor of strong, flat out ones. Goku used "ya" in Japanese, which implies there may have been other fighters in the same category as Gohan and Gotenks that could fight, yet we all know that's not possible. Cell also used it when saying Vegeta and Trunks could fight with Cell Juniors, even though no one else was fighting evenly with Cell Juniors. Seems to me characters used it carelessly and without thought. Edit: Sep 26, 12 10:03pm ------------------- quote Newcomer What? Then who do I agree with now. If the most popular person is wrong then who do I agree with!?
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rahully2j BLADE s-e-e-k-e-r total posts: 1933 since: May 2011	Sep 26, 12 at 9:56pm ^ re: SSJ3 Goku vs Mystic Gohan
	Destructive power is not linear in DBZ.
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jackjack ultra seeker total posts: 1450 since: Oct 2009	Sep 26, 12 at 10:02pm ^ re: SSJ3 Goku vs Mystic Gohan
	He is not talking about anything, he's just trying to read Vegeta's mind at the time, and since Vegeta wants everyone back to life, it's only natural to think Vegeta wants both of them to come.
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metal4ever King of the Fist s-e-e-k-e-r total posts: 1676 since: Dec 2008	Sep 26, 12 at 10:02pm ^ re: SSJ3 Goku vs Mystic Gohan
	Piccolo said SSj Gotenks couldn't even rip a pin sized hole in the dimension. It's implied there's a huge gap. You also have, once again, zero evidence that SSj3 boost works differently for Gotenks, nor that he doesn't has SSj2. Spoiler: Chapter: 473 (DBZ 279), P13.6 Context: Goku decides to use Super Saiyan 3 against Boo Goku: “Alright then. How about I show you a Super Saiyan that has even further surpassed a Super Saiyan who has surpassed a Super Saiyan…” Chapter: 474 (DBZ 280), P3.3-8, P4.1, P7.5 Goku: “First, this is my regular state. This is Super Saiyan. Then this is what I showed your before, a Super Saiyan that has surpassed Super Saiyan…’Super Saiyan 2’, you could call it. [ ] And so…[ ] This…Ev-even further surpasses that… ------------------- quote Newcomer What? Then who do I agree with now. If the most popular person is wrong then who do I agree with!?
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super michael feel the power of the Millennium Items Hooked on Neo total posts: 4124 since: May 2005	Sep 26, 12 at 11:53pm ^ re: SSJ3 Goku vs Mystic Gohan
	quote metal4ever Piccolo said SSj Gotenks couldn't even rip a pin sized hole in the dimension. It's implied there's a huge gap. You also have, once again, zero evidence that SSj3 boost works differently for Gotenks, nor that he doesn't has SSj2. Spoiler: Chapter: 473 (DBZ 279), P13.6 Context: Goku decides to use Super Saiyan 3 against Boo Goku: “Alright then. How about I show you a Super Saiyan that has even further surpassed a Super Saiyan who has surpassed a Super Saiyan…” Chapter: 474 (DBZ 280), P3.3-8, P4.1, P7.5 Goku: “First, this is my regular state. This is Super Saiyan. Then this is what I showed your before, a Super Saiyan that has surpassed Super Saiyan…’Super Saiyan 2’, you could call it. [ ] And so…[ ] This…Ev-even further surpasses that… I forgot about that scene, nice one that proves that SSJ3 is a huge power up from SSJ1 to SSJ3. I don't see why gotenks SSJ2 and SSJ3 would be weaker than Gohan, vegeta and goku I mean gotenks is every bit a saiyan as those 3. The only reason why gotenks SSJ2 and SSJ3 looks weak on gotenks since super buu was toying around with Base gotenks and SSJ1 gotenks. If SSJ3 goku is 4x stronger than his SSJ2 self, then SSJ3 gotenks should be 4x stronger than his SSJ2 self. ------------------- super smash bros brawl friend code, 4554-1399-8625 mike.
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rahully2j BLADE s-e-e-k-e-r total posts: 1933 since: May 2011	Sep 27, 12 at 1:48am ^ re: SSJ3 Goku vs Mystic Gohan
	quote metal4ever Piccolo said SSj Gotenks couldn't even rip a pin sized hole in the dimension. It's implied there's a huge gap. 3x is a huge gap. quote You also have, once again, zero evidence that SSj3 boost works differently for Gotenks, Gotenks held his own against super buu as SSJ. A vicious head butt and ghost kamekazi attack rocked buu pretty hard. SSJ3 gotenks is on-par or slightly stronger. So, where does ssj2 fit in? quote nor that he doesn't has SSj2. Trunks flat out stated they only have 1 form on top of their SSJ form. quote metal4ever You're using another vague statement in favor of strong, flat out ones. . Blame the author for bad writing. Everything is vague in buu arc. quote metal4ever Goku used "ya" in Japanese, which implies there may have been other fighters in the same category as Gohan and Gotenks that could fight, yet we all know that's not possible. Cell also used it when saying Vegeta and Trunks could fight with Cell Juniors, even though no one else was fighting evenly with Cell Juniors. Seems to me characters used it carelessly and without thought. That quote is straight from herms. So, I don't know where it says - "ya". EDIT: Didn't see your last post -> quote Likewise, if Goku's ki was greater, why didn't Piccolo say "Gotenks isn't as strong as Goku predicted." quote SSj3 Goku > SSj Gotenks (Pre) only contradicts Goku's own unretracted statement. I'll only say this once - Take his character within the context. He is an unreliable narrator. He already lied twice in buu arc. And don't give me that statements are facts unless contradicted because Goku is not the Omniscient narrator. Or are you telling me that in fiction the characters have never lied even though they were not contradicted? Edit: Sep 27, 12 4:32am
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Zohar dangerous total posts: 156 since: Sep 2012	Sep 27, 12 at 2:27am ^ re: SSJ3 Goku vs Mystic Gohan
	quote rahully2j quote Zohar quote rahully2j SSJ Gotenks pre should be in the same realm with SSJ3 Goku. Though, I still put goku higher. Chapter: 476 (DBZ 282), P9.3 Piccolo: “If that bastard felt like it, he could wipe out the entire Earth, up here included, in the blink of an eye…!” Goku: “It’s alright, I don’t think he’ll take out the Earth. After all, I told him that in 2 days, someone stronger than me would fight him, and he seemed happy…” SSJ Gotenks (Pre) was felt from the Kai Planet so he is at least SSJ3 Goku's equal. Furthermore the lack of comparison to Goku? Goku already told everyone that Gotenks would be stronger than him. No one would need to be shocked and go OMG HE SO MUCH STRONGER THAN GOKU. Not every power statement requires a direct comparison. And Author shouldnt have to spell out and then respell out every little detail for a reader. You arent a baby, you should be able to put 1 statement from before together with the next. A lack of direct comparison means absolutely nothing. I still don't see how your post proves ssj gotenks pre > ssj3 goku. There are 2 scenarios -> 1. Your ki is so strong it automatically grabs your attention. Only 2 guys fall into this category -> super buu and ssj3 goku. 2. You sense ki when you're paying attention. Gotenks falls in this category. Nothing special was noted about gotenks. He is definitely ssj3 tier, but he doesn't have to be > ssj3 goku. You could sense his ki, but it could still be weaker than goku's. SSJ3 Goku > SSJ Gotenks Pre > Fat Buu doesn't contradict anything. "Goku: “It’s alright, I don’t think he’ll take out the Earth. After all, I told him that in 2 days, someone stronger than me would fight him, and he seemed happy…” He didn't say that to Buu, only piccolo. Here is an interview of AT -> Nirazaki: I know that a lot of people want to hear more about fusion. With Gotenkusu now in the story, will he play that big of a role? And most of all, is he stronger than Son Goku himself? Toriyama-san: Well I dont know yet. Ive planned some things with Gotenkusu, but he wont be the focus of the entire saga. You'll see as things develop. As for their strength, Gotenkusu is a little bit stronger, but you wouldnt notice a difference. Still, Son Goku will always be the most skilled martial artist! So, SSJ3 Gotenks is not that far ahead of SSJ3 Goku because he is heavily implied to be relevant in the end of Buu arc. I think this interview is super otaku magazine which was proven as fake. I saw it in another thread and besides this interview refers to SSJ Gotenks and not SSJ3. First and formost he also says Gotenks wont be the only one to become stronger then Goku(he is refering to Gohan when he would get his powers unlocked unlocked, further proving Gohan > Goku) but Gohan was still training with the Z-sword and gotenks hadn't aquired SSJ3 Yet so Akira had to be talking about Gotenks SSJ1(and this other person had to be gohan who else could be stronger then goku). That further proves that Gohan> Gotenks SSJ3> Gotenks SSJ1> Goku SSJ3> Vegeta SSJ2 Anyway, it doesn't matter because the interview is fake. You can't feel someone by grabbing his attention. Nowhere was it stated. It's stated only SSJ3 level can be sensed from there. Besides, Goku compares Super Buu and Gotenks and says he can't feel them both, implying he can feel SSJ Gotenks as easily as Super Buu. Goku told Piccolo that SSJ Gotenks would be stronger than him and nothing contradicts it. SSJ Gotenks has to be either equal or stronger than SSJ3 Goku because he was sensed from the Kai Planet. quote rahully2j [quote=Zohar\|message:33601134]Maybe it's fake, I'm not sure. Anyways this is what goku states -> "Goku: “Oh, I know! You’ll bring Gohan and Gotenks back to life so they can fight.” He is talking about bringing both gohan and gotenks. So, this implies both of them are not that far ahead of Son. Not like a 10x gap or something. Gotenks doesn't have SSJ2 and I believe his boost from SSJ to SSJ3 is smaller compared to Goku. I have it around 3x. Works fine. I don't see your point. He asked both because both were absorbed so if they fight together there would be no risk. Chapter: 515 (DBZ 321), P5.3 Context: after Vegeta says he’ll hold off Boo again, so Goku can prepare the Genki-Dama Goku: “You’ll sta-stall for time?…Yo-you’ve just been restored to life. Your ki still ain’t full, is it?!” Goku knew they would be nowhere full power. This is why Vegeta never even transformed vs Kid Buu. I think this is what AT wanted in the end, he tried to make Goku as the strongest. Goten and Trunks can't fuse because they were just revived and this is why they never went SSJs or fused when they gave their genki to Goku. Gohan might have lost his mystic power because Kai energy and djin don't mix so fine. Your multiplier is low. SSJ3 Gotenks should be 8X stronger than SSJ Gotenks going by officiual numbers. Edit: Sep 27, 12 2:39am
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rahully2j BLADE s-e-e-k-e-r total posts: 1933 since: May 2011	Sep 27, 12 at 4:39am ^ re: SSJ3 Goku vs Mystic Gohan
	quote Zohar Anyway, it doesn't matter because the interview is fake. You can't feel someone by grabbing his attention. Nowhere was it stated. It's stated only SSJ3 level can be sensed from there. Besides, Goku compares Super Buu and Gotenks and says he can't feel them both, implying he can feel SSJ Gotenks as easily as Super Buu. Goku told Piccolo that SSJ Gotenks would be stronger than him and nothing contradicts it. SSJ Gotenks has to be either equal or stronger than SSJ3 Goku because he was sensed from the Kai Planet. 1. So, wait just because it's not contradicted I should take it as a fact? For the last time - Goku is not the Omniscient narrator, ok? Look at his character development within the context. 2. I'm not getting you here, so the premise of your argument is if someone says something, but Toriyama doesn't explicitly spend panels showing that it's not true, then it is implicitly true... In other words, Mister Satan claimed that his ring-out was a dramatic explosion due to his amazing abilities and not because Cell knocked him out of the arena...then in fact it was a slip...because he never said he was lying about it... I disagree with your premise because in my opinion he lacks the feats to show he could launch out on his own. But you would have to say it's true using your line of reasoning, because feats are nonsense...I'm afraid I can't agree with this line of reasoning. quote Zohar He asked both because both were absorbed so if they fight together there would be no risk. Goku knew they would be nowhere full power. This is why Vegeta never even transformed vs Kid Buu. I think this is what AT wanted in the end, he tried to make Goku as the strongest. Goten and Trunks can't fuse because they were just revived and this is why they never went SSJs or fused when they gave their genki to Goku. Gohan might have lost his mystic power because Kai energy and djin don't mix so fine. Your multiplier is low. SSJ3 Gotenks should be 8X stronger than SSJ Gotenks going by officiual numbers. There are no official numbers for one. Guide books are not canon. So, your point is invalid. Gohan's potential was unlocked by Kai, so why would he lose it? It's not an added power. It's his dormant power being brought out by old kai's ritual.
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Zohar dangerous total posts: 156 since: Sep 2012	Sep 27, 12 at 5:25am ^ re: SSJ3 Goku vs Mystic Gohan
	quote rahully2j quote Zohar Anyway, it doesn't matter because the interview is fake. You can't feel someone by grabbing his attention. Nowhere was it stated. It's stated only SSJ3 level can be sensed from there. Besides, Goku compares Super Buu and Gotenks and says he can't feel them both, implying he can feel SSJ Gotenks as easily as Super Buu. Goku told Piccolo that SSJ Gotenks would be stronger than him and nothing contradicts it. SSJ Gotenks has to be either equal or stronger than SSJ3 Goku because he was sensed from the Kai Planet. 1. So, wait just because it's not contradicted I should take it as a fact? For the last time - Goku is not the Omniscient narrator, ok? Look at his character development within the context. 2. I'm not getting you here, so the premise of your argument is if someone says something, but Toriyama doesn't explicitly spend panels showing that it's not true, then it is implicitly true... In other words, Mister Satan claimed that his ring-out was a dramatic explosion due to his amazing abilities and not because Cell knocked him out of the arena...then in fact it was a slip...because he never said he was lying about it... I disagree with your premise because in my opinion he lacks the feats to show he could launch out on his own. But you would have to say it's true using your line of reasoning, because feats are nonsense...I'm afraid I can't agree with this line of reasoning. quote Zohar He asked both because both were absorbed so if they fight together there would be no risk. Goku knew they would be nowhere full power. This is why Vegeta never even transformed vs Kid Buu. I think this is what AT wanted in the end, he tried to make Goku as the strongest. Goten and Trunks can't fuse because they were just revived and this is why they never went SSJs or fused when they gave their genki to Goku. Gohan might have lost his mystic power because Kai energy and djin don't mix so fine. Your multiplier is low. SSJ3 Gotenks should be 8X stronger than SSJ Gotenks going by officiual numbers. There are no official numbers for one. Guide books are not canon. So, your point is invalid. Gohan's potential was unlocked by Kai, so why would he lose it? It's not an added power. It's his dormant power being brought out by old kai's ritual. I think the fact that he was sensed from the Kai Planet proves he has to be at least equal to SSJ3 Goku. So I should deny what Goku says? Why denying it? He never said it for nothing. Goku had an extreme knowledge about Fusion and knew what it did to being far weaker than Goten and Trunks. This is like Elder Kai saying Base Gokuhan would be enough to beat Buutenks. Mister Satan is just an idioot and it was a gag scene. Chapter: 482 (DBZ 288), P7.2-3 Context: after Super Saiyan Gotenks forms for the first time Piccolo: “…Yeah…Your ki really is absolutely incredible, but how about your movement?...Show me a little.” Gotenks: “Is that alright? If I show you here, the house might break. I’ll do it on the ground.” That shows ki was not the issue. Piccolo had sensed Goku and Fat Buu and says Gotenks's ki was incredible and just asks for his speed which means his ki was enough. If SSJ Gotenks was proven to be > Fat Buu because Goku said so, then what makes you think SSJ Gotenks is not > SSJ3 Goku? It was still stated and there is zero evidence Goku is stronger. Statements > nothing. Why was Vegito defused? Because the Djin, no? So it's the same thing about Gohan. Even though, your multipliers are still low. SSJ3 Gotenks=3X SSJ Gotenks is just LOL.
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rahully2j BLADE s-e-e-k-e-r total posts: 1933 since: May 2011	Sep 27, 12 at 6:20am ^ re: SSJ3 Goku vs Mystic Gohan
	quote Zohar I think the fact that he was sensed from the Kai Planet proves he has to be at least equal to SSJ3 Goku. Kid Buu wasn't sensed, but he is still SSJ3 tier. And just because he was sensed doesn't mean he has to be equal or > ssj3 goku. He could be ssj3 tier and still be weaker than goku. quote So I should deny what Goku says? Why denying it? He never said it for nothing. Because Goku lied before. He said he wouldn't have won against fat buu, but at the same time he was tanking hits? Taking into account his character development, I don't have to take his statement as a fact. Yes, if he was the omniscient narrator, I wouldn't have any problem. quote Goku had an extreme knowledge about Fusion and knew what it did to being far weaker than Goten and Trunks. This is like Elder Kai saying Base Gokuhan would be enough to beat Buutenks. Yes, but that still doesn't prove gotenks > goku. Gotenks can be > fat buu, but still be weaker than goku. quote Mister Satan is just an idioot and it was a gag scene. But didn't you just say goku's statement was not contradicted, so it's a fact? So, basically you pick and choose? quote Chapter: 482 (DBZ 288), P7.2-3 Context: after Super Saiyan Gotenks forms for the first time Piccolo: “…Yeah…Your ki really is absolutely incredible, but how about your movement?...Show me a little.” Gotenks: “Is that alright? If I show you here, the house might break. I’ll do it on the ground.” This quote still doesn't help your case. Gotenks could be > Fat buu, but still be weaker than goku. quote That shows ki was not the issue. Piccolo had sensed Goku and Fat Buu and says Gotenks's ki was incredible and just asks for his speed which means his ki was enough. If SSJ Gotenks was proven to be > Fat Buu because Goku said so, then what makes you think SSJ Gotenks is not > SSJ3 Goku? It was still stated and there is zero evidence Goku is stronger. Statements > nothing. Goku said Gotenks would be stronger than him within the context of him lying about being able to beat Fat Boo. He had to say Gotenks was stronger than he was...Piccolo desire to test Gotenks doesn't strike me as something he'd need to do if he was so strong. Piccolo: “Goku…There’s something I want to ask you while I’ve got the chance…[ ] …That Super Saiyan 3 thing earlier…if you had gone all-out, wouldn’t you have been able to defeat Majin Boo?...How about it, am I wrong?” Goku didn't go all out. That means his output ki wasn't = his output ki against kid buu. SSJ3 Goku >= Kid Buu > Fat Buu quote Why was Vegito defused? Because the Djin, no? So it's the same thing about Gohan. Even though, your multipliers are still low. SSJ3 Gotenks=3X SSJ Gotenks is just LOL. SSJ gotenks held his own against super buu. His ghost kamekazi attack and head butt rocked buu really hard. His ssj3 was equal or slightly > than super buu. The gap doesn't have to be 10x or big like you make it out to be. 3x is more than enough which doesn't contradict anything.
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Zohar dangerous total posts: 156 since: Sep 2012	Sep 27, 12 at 6:42am ^ re: SSJ3 Goku vs Mystic Gohan
	quote rahully2j quote Zohar I think the fact that he was sensed from the Kai Planet proves he has to be at least equal to SSJ3 Goku. Kid Buu wasn't sensed, but he is still SSJ3 tier. And just because he was sensed doesn't mean he has to be equal or > ssj3 goku. He could be ssj3 tier and still be weaker than goku. quote So I should deny what Goku says? Why denying it? He never said it for nothing. Because Goku lied before. He said he wouldn't have won against fat buu, but at the same time he was tanking hits? Taking into account his character development, I don't have to take his statement as a fact. Yes, if he was the omniscient narrator, I wouldn't have any problem. quote Goku had an extreme knowledge about Fusion and knew what it did to being far weaker than Goten and Trunks. This is like Elder Kai saying Base Gokuhan would be enough to beat Buutenks. Yes, but that still doesn't prove gotenks > goku. Gotenks can be > fat buu, but still be weaker than goku. quote Mister Satan is just an idiot and it was a gag scene. But didn't you just say goku's statement was not contradicted, so it's a fact? So, basically you pick and choose? quote Chapter: 482 (DBZ 288), P7.2-3 Context: after Super Saiyan Gotenks forms for the first time Piccolo: “…Yeah…Your ki really is absolutely incredible, but how about your movement?...Show me a little.” Gotenks: “Is that alright? If I show you here, the house might break. I’ll do it on the ground.” This quote still doesn't help your case. Gotenks could be > Fat buu, but still be weaker than goku. quote That shows ki was not the issue. Piccolo had sensed Goku and Fat Buu and says Gotenks's ki was incredible and just asks for his speed which means his ki was enough. If SSJ Gotenks was proven to be > Fat Buu because Goku said so, then what makes you think SSJ Gotenks is not > SSJ3 Goku? It was still stated and there is zero evidence Goku is stronger. Statements > nothing. Goku said Gotenks would be stronger than him within the context of him lying about being able to beat Fat Boo. He had to say Gotenks was stronger than he was...Piccolo desire to test Gotenks doesn't strike me as something he'd need to do if he was so strong. Piccolo: “Goku…There’s something I want to ask you while I’ve got the chance…[ ] …That Super Saiyan 3 thing earlier…if you had gone all-out, wouldn’t you have been able to defeat Majin Boo?...How about it, am I wrong?” Goku didn't go all out. That means his output ki wasn't = his output ki against kid buu. SSJ3 Goku >= Kid Buu > Fat Buu quote Why was Vegito defused? Because the Djin, no? So it's the same thing about Gohan. Even though, your multipliers are still low. SSJ3 Gotenks=3X SSJ Gotenks is just LOL. SSJ gotenks held his own against super buu. His ghost kamekazi attack and head butt rocked buu really hard. His ssj3 was equal or slightly > than super buu. The gap doesn't have to be 10x or big like you make it out to be. 3x is more than enough which doesn't contradict anything. quote rahully2j Kid Buu wasn't sensed, but he is still SSJ3 tier. And just because he was sensed doesn't mean he has to be equal or > ssj3 goku. He could be ssj3 tier and still be weaker than goku. Kid Buu was not sensed because he was already introduced when Kibito Kai and Elder Kai saw him. He shouldn't be sensed. This is something which I don't understand. Why you people have to say "he was sensed so he can be close to Goku" No, the fact that he was felt just proves the point of SSJ Gotenks (Pre) is either equal or stronger than Goku. quote rahully2j Because Goku lied before. He said he wouldn't have won against fat buu, but at the same time he was tanking hits? Taking into account his character development, I don't have to take his statement as a fact. Yes, if he was the omniscient narrator, I wouldn't have any problem. He didn't necessarily lie. He said he apperently couldn't beat Fat Buu and this is because of his false ki. His ki is like a lie. Fat Buu was also taking hits from Goku. Goku even said Buu was barely hurt. Anyway, Goku later admitted he could of beaten Fat Buu. He says SSJ Gotenks would be stronger than him and no one contradicts it so it may be very true. Nothing says otherwise so it remains true. quote rahully2j Yes, but that still doesn't prove gotenks > goku. Gotenks can be > fat buu, but still be weaker than goku. But Goku also says Gotenks would be > himself and not only Fat Buu. quote rahully2j But didn't you just say goku's statement was not contradicted, so it's a fact? So, basically you pick and choose? You don't get it. Mister Satan is just a gag scene. Counting what he said is like counting what he said about Buutenks when he fought he can kill him with his gun. It's just a gag scene. This is an horrible example. quote rahully2j This quote still doesn't help your case. Gotenks could be > Fat buu, but still be weaker than goku. Piccolo also felt Goku. quote rahully2j Goku didn't go all out. That means his output ki wasn't = his output ki against kid buu. This is debateable. I think Goku was using full power but was not serious or tried very hard. He never tried to kill him. SSJ3 Goku can't suppress his ki IMO because he never even fully mastered the SSJ3. I don't even have SSJ3 Goku so much stronger than Fat Buu. Goku has the power advantage but he is not so much stronger than Fat Buu. quote rahully2j SSJ gotenks held his own against super buu. His ghost kamekazi attack and head butt rocked buu really hard. His ssj3 was equal or slightly > than super buu. The gap doesn't have to be 10x or big like you make it out to be. 3x is more than enough which doesn't contradict anything. SSJ Gotenks was being toyed with. The only thing he did was the Kamikazie Attack which also worked because it exploded and destroyed Buu's body. Not to mention Super Buu could of easily be suppressed until he fought SSJ3 Gotenks which is supported by what he tells Gohan. The head butt rock was once again a gag scene like Super Buu when he drank the milk shake. Don't take gag scenes into an account, dude. 3X contradicts the Manga. Official numbers still say SSJ3=8X SSJ and saying SSJ3 Gotenks=3X SSJ Gotenks is like saying the same about Goku which is wrong. SSJ3=8X SSJ is at least supported.
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jackjack ultra seeker total posts: 1450 since: Oct 2009	Sep 27, 12 at 6:53am ^ re: SSJ3 Goku vs Mystic Gohan
	Actually, Piccolo did sense small Boo from Earth.
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XxSkelterXx “Dubito ergo cogito; cogito ergo sum. Permanently Plugged In total posts: 13265 since: Aug 2010	Sep 27, 12 at 6:53am ^ re: SSJ3 Goku vs Mystic Gohan
	quote Zohar Kid Buu was not sensed because he was already introduced when Kibito Kai and Elder Kai saw him. He shouldn't be sensed. This is something which I don't understand. Why you people have to say "he was sensed so he can be close to Goku" No, the fact that he was felt just proves the point of SSJ Gotenks (Pre) is either equal or stronger than Goku. Wow, your thought proccess is very unique,I give you that. But does this even make sense? Kid Boo was sense by the way, Piccolo comments that Boo's Ki is gone when he gets killed by the genki-dama quote Zohar He didn't necessarily lie If something is not the true, then is a lie..Goku said he can'y beat fatso, it turns out he can, that my friend is what we call a lie. (LOL) I feel silly having to tell you this. quote Zohar . He said he apperently could'nt beat Fat Buu and this is because of his false ki. His ki is like a lie. Fat Buu was also taking hits from Goku. Goku even said Buu was barely hurt. Anyway, Goku later admitted he could of beaten Fat Buu. He says SSJ Gotenks would be stronger than him and no one contradicts it so it may be very true. Nothing says otherwise so it remains true. It has nothing to do with the false ki. He said he couldn't beat him, he said his powers and Vegeta's powers where almost the same, and he said he was weak. He lied. Just because Goku admitted that he lied doesn't change the fact that he did. quote Zohar But Goku also says Gotenks would be >himself and not only Fat Buu. Goku tells the z senshi he told Boo he said that, but he never did.. Anyway, give me one feat that puts Gotenks ahead of Goku...I just need one. quote Zohar You don't get it. Mister Satan is just a gag scene. Counting what he said is like counting what he said about Buutenks when he foughthe can kill him with his gun. It's just a gag scene. This is an horrible example. So is Gotenks, yet everybody doesn't want to stop nut-hugging him and thinking he is maximum!! Gotenks are Satan are the same, 2 annoying gag characters that can never die do too their gag status.. quote Zohar Piccolo also felt Goku. yet he never said, Wow, Gotenks is stronger than Goku. Instead he felt compelled to test Gotenks. quote Zohar This is debateable. I think Goku was using full power but was not serious or tried very hard. He never tried to kill him. SSJ3 Goku can't suppress his ki IMO because he never even fully mastered the SSJ3. I don't even have SSJ3 Goku so much stronger than Fat Buu. Goku has the power advantage but he is not so much stronger than Fat Buu. He has the power to kill Boo, but he doesn't//That's called holding back. quote Zohar SSJ Gotenks was being toyed with. The only thing he did was the Kamikazie Attack which also worked because it exploded and destroyed Buu's body. Not to mention Super Buu could of easily be suppressed umtil he fought SSJ3 Gotenks which is supported by what he tells Gohan. The head butt rock was once again a gag scene like Super Buu when he drank the milk shake. Don't take gag scenes into an account, dude. 3X contradicts the Manga. Official numbers still say SSJ3=8X SSJ and saying SSJ3 Gotenks=3X SSJ Gotenks is like sayin the same about Goku which is wrong. SSJ3=8X SSJ is at least supported. Yet Gotenks hurt Boo with a head-butt...Geezzz I wonder what that implies.
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jackjack ultra seeker total posts: 1450 since: Oct 2009	Sep 27, 12 at 6:59am ^ re: SSJ3 Goku vs Mystic Gohan
	If anything, his ki is higher against fat Boo because his dead body is more suitable for SSJ3.
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super michael feel the power of the Millennium Items Hooked on Neo total posts: 4124 since: May 2005	Sep 27, 12 at 7:16am ^ re: SSJ3 Goku vs Mystic Gohan
	quote XxSkelterXx It has nothing to do with the false ki. He said he couldn't beat him, he said his powers and Vegeta's powers where almost the same, and he said he was weak. He lied. Just because Goku admitted that he lied doesn't change the fact that he did. True a lie is a lie, but when someone says the truth that overwrite the lie. quote XxSkelterXx So is Gotenks, yet everybody doesn't want to stop nut-hugging him and thinking he is maximum!! Gotenks are Satan are the same, 2 annoying gag characters that can never die do too their gag status.. The z fighter see satan as a weak fool, even dende see satan the same way only Mr.Satan thinks he is the strongest in the world. As for gotenks its not only him that thinks he is strong, other say he strong like the Z fighter and piccolo who is part of the z fighter. quote XxSkelterXx yet he never said, Wow, Gotenks is stronger than Goku. Instead he felt compelled to test Gotenks. Piccolo only wanted to test his speed, no were does piccolo state he wants to state gotenks power. Speed doesn't always correlate to power. quote XxSkelterXx Yet Gotenks hurt Boo with a head-butt...Geezzz I wonder what that implies. SSJ1 gotenks is 1 shot material to super buu, that much is true. ------------------- super smash bros brawl friend code, 4554-1399-8625 mike.
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