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Oct 02, 12 at 7:10am ^re: SSJ3 Goku vs Mystic Gohan
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Oct 02, 12 at 12:35pm ^re: SSJ3 Goku vs Mystic Gohan
quote rahully2j3x doesn't contradict anything, but nothing supports it either. Just like nothing supports Mr. Satan is the strongest being in the universe, but he is secretly hiding his power.
quote rahully2jMy counters and logic are sound, at least. I just have trouble presenting them sometimes.
You can present yours just fine, but the logic is sometimes ridiculous.
quote rahully2jLet's just drop this since it's irrelevant.
quote rahully2jThere's also no evidence they're not the same thing.
The only evidence if Trunks saying he couldn't believe there was a level beyond Super Saiyan, a very vague statement.
quote rahully2jSo what? It's highly implied Super Saiyan 3 is a continuation of the SSj forms. You can't just skip a level.
quote rahully2jIt's common sense. You're using vague word play. . . I'd think something like this would be a little bit more known by everyone who read Dragonball?
quote rahully2jAnd the kids might both think SSj1 and 2 falls under the same category. Seems a lot more likely than skipping SSj levels.
quote rahully2jMidway SSj3 might've been an SSj2. You can't really it wasn't, and like I said, no evidence of skipping levels. Who else really read the manga and thought so?
quote rahully2jIt doesn't make a difference tbh.
quote rahully2jNot for the pin-sized hole feat imo. The boost is implied to be not just huge. . . massive. SSj3 is just a colossal transformation. If it was only x3 boost, why did Toriyama even give him as an SSj3? Why not just a standard SSj2? Why have Goku so absolutely amazed at a flawed SSj3? Doesn't make sense.
quote rahully2j1. He's seen others who use Fusion in action.
2. Motives to help them protect the Earth in his place. So if someone as strong or stronger than Goku comes along, the boys can handle it themselves.
3. SSj3 was stated to use all your power at once. I think you can pull your punches, but your ki is gonna be going full flow regardless.
quote rahully2jIf Goku was lying, the plot would have shown it.
You're thinking about fiction as a whole. Try reading a bit more children's manga and you'll notice it's a different medium.
quote rahully2jHow's that take away from him referring to SSj2 as SSj?
quote rahully2jSo skipping SSj levels seems a lot more likely than the kids confusing Super Saiyan 1 and 2, just like Babidi did?
Or the kids already acquiring SSj2 previously and just calling out SSj3 because it's so vastly different and incredible?
quote rahully2jWhen Piccolo referenced Gotenks's family, he decided to finally use Super Saiyan 3. He decided it was time to stop holding back. That's what happened in the manga.
He fooled around a little bit cause the whole thing is being presented in a funny way. The jokes are major to the plot though.
quote rahully2jExcuse me, I didn't know I had to refute that advanced philosophical ideas based on real life wouldn't apply to the format of a children's manga. I thought that was a give-in.
quote rahully2jSo, tell me how a story told from the perspective of a delusional pedophile applies to Dragonball again. . .?
You're over-complicating this tale.
quote rahully2jI'll keep repeating it because it's true. Children's manga are made for nine year olds, not middle-aged philosophers and novelists. If a lie is not contradicted it's most likely true. Every one of Goku's lies are explained, why not Gotenks's line?
quote rahully2jThe unreliable narrator bit. Goku's predictions usually come to fruition unless unexpected events occur, such as Freeza and Cell's kamikaze attack or Super Boo's appearance.
Don't know what that second bit has to do with anything.
quote rahully2jAnd you brought up an adult novel. If you noticed the context of my statement, I wasn't referring to adult or advanced plots.
quote rahully2jYou're seriously asking me that? They're entirely different mediums and present their stories in different ways.
Dragonball was not intended to be presented from a unreliable pedophile's perspective. If you can't understand that, there's no point in continuing this.
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