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Victorious Hooked on Neo total posts: 4182 since: Jan 2011	Jul 03, 12 at 1:55pm ^ re: Meta Cooler vs Android 18
	Log in to remove this sponsored message quote First, Cooler never witnessed Frieza's full power. How do you know that? quote Movie 5 Goku would destroy Third Form Frieza so of course Goku is strong to defeat him. ^^^ So you think Coola thinks Piccolo can beat Freeza? lol Since Piccolo is stronger than 2nd form Freeza, why didnt Coola say Piccolo could beat Freeza? ------------------- Victorious' fan made Dragon Ball Z Battle Power (Sentō-ryoku) list
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pakl123456 dangerous total posts: 163 since: Jun 2012	Jul 03, 12 at 2:58pm ^ re: Meta Cooler vs Android 18
	quote Victorious quote First, Cooler never witnessed Frieza's full power. How do you know that? quote Movie 5 Goku would destroy Third Form Frieza so of course Goku is strong to defeat him. ^^^ So you think Coola thinks Piccolo can beat Freeza? lol Since Piccolo is stronger than 2nd form Freeza, why didnt Coola say Piccolo could beat Freeza? Because Frieza even said they were the first ones to witness his full power. Coola never faced Piccolo or tried to fight him. Goku as stronger after returning and it's most likely that he got a zenkai after he was healed from Coola's blast. Didn't Coola say Frieza deserved to die since Goku was a weakling?
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Victorious Hooked on Neo total posts: 4182 since: Jan 2011	Jul 03, 12 at 3:52pm ^ re: Meta Cooler vs Android 18
	quote Because Frieza even said they were the first ones to witness his full power. I'd like to see the quote on that. And what do you mean "They"??? Goku was the only one on Namek to see Freeza's full power. quote Coola never faced Piccolo or tried to fight him . Uhh, Cooler saw Piccolo taking on his henchmen and then took him out with one shot. If you think Coola is talking about Freeza's earlier forms when he said Goku could beat Freeza, this would mean Coola would think freakin Piccolo could beat Freeza, which of course is absurd. Coola never said anything about Piccolo being able to beat Freeza. Piccolo was worthless trash to Coola and taken out instantly. quote Goku as stronger after returning and it's most likely that he got a zenkai after he was healed from Coola's blast. Yeah indeed, and after that zenkai his base is stronger than Freeza, and in the range of Super Saiyan Goku on Namek. ------------------- Victorious' fan made Dragon Ball Z Battle Power (Sentō-ryoku) list
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pakl123456 dangerous total posts: 163 since: Jun 2012	Jul 03, 12 at 4:16pm ^ re: Meta Cooler vs Android 18
	quote Victorious quote Because Frieza even said they were the first ones to witness his full power. I'd like to see the quote on that. And what do you mean "They"??? Goku was the only one on Namek to see Freeza's full power. quote Coola never faced Piccolo or tried to fight him . Uhh, Cooler saw Piccolo taking on his henchmen and then took him out with one shot. If you think Coola is talking about Freeza's earlier forms when he said Goku could beat Freeza, this would mean Coola would think freakin Piccolo could beat Freeza, which of course is absurd. Coola never said anything about Piccolo being able to beat Freeza. Piccolo was worthless trash to Coola and taken out instantly. quote Goku as stronger after returning and it's most likely that he got a zenkai after he was healed from Coola's blast. Yeah indeed, and after that zenkai his base is stronger than Freeza, and in the range of Super Saiyan Goku on Namek. He told it to Piccolo and the others. "You will be the first to witness my ultimate form" Coola saw how Goku took on his henchmen as well and he did pretty good and was stil surprised while fighting him so he had to fight Piccolo in order to even know it. He refered to the fact that Goku was very powerful for a sayina. That's all. Later he said Frieza was trash since he was beaten by Goku so there is no hax here. Movie 6 Base Goku is weaker than SSJ Goku on Namek.
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Victorious Hooked on Neo total posts: 4182 since: Jan 2011	Jul 03, 12 at 4:56pm ^ re: Meta Cooler vs Android 18
	quote He told it to Piccolo and the others. "You will be the first to witness my ultimate form" I'd like to see that quote. So are you saying King Cold has never seen his true form? lol quote Coola saw how Goku took on his henchmen as well and he did pretty good and was stil surprised while fighting him so he had to fight Piccolo in order to even know it. He refered to the fact that Goku was very powerful for a sayina. That's all. Later he said Frieza was trash since he was beaten by Goku so there is no hax here. Movie 6 Base Goku is weaker than SSJ Goku on Namek. He never said Freeza was trash, show me where he said that. I'm talking about in the orignal Japanese version. I don't care about Funimation garbage. Coola did fight Piccolo, he took him out in one shot. And Coola was not surprised by base Goku's power. He specifically said Goku "did as well as he expected". ------------------- Victorious' fan made Dragon Ball Z Battle Power (Sentō-ryoku) list
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pakl123456 dangerous total posts: 163 since: Jun 2012	Jul 04, 12 at 7:35am ^ re: Meta Cooler vs Android 18
	quote Victorious quote He told it to Piccolo and the others. "You will be the first to witness my ultimate form" I'd like to see that quote. So are you saying King Cold has never seen his true form? lol quote Coola saw how Goku took on his henchmen as well and he did pretty good and was stil surprised while fighting him so he had to fight Piccolo in order to even know it. He refered to the fact that Goku was very powerful for a sayina. That's all. Later he said Frieza was trash since he was beaten by Goku so there is no hax here. Movie 6 Base Goku is weaker than SSJ Goku on Namek. He never said Freeza was trash, show me where he said that. I'm talking about in the orignal Japanese version. I don't care about Funimation garbage. Coola did fight Piccolo, he took him out in one shot. And Coola was not surprised by base Goku's power. He specifically said Goku "did as well as he expected". Who knows if he never saw hi sform. Also, I believe you take every statement too literaly. Just because he said Goku's power was enought to handle Frieza doesn't necessary mean he was above Frieza's full power. It was either for the sake of the plot to show Goku's strength as a saiyan. After Goku transformed Coola said "I see so this is the power that defeated my broher" implying SSJ Goku in movie 5 is overall the same thing who beat Frieza. Note: I am not saying they have the same power but SSJ Goku in movie 5 symbolizes the one who beat Frieza. There is no hax here dude.
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Victorious Hooked on Neo total posts: 4182 since: Jan 2011	Jul 04, 12 at 8:06am ^ re: Meta Cooler vs Android 18
	quote Who knows if he never saw hi sform. You said Freeza said nobody had ever seen his true form before. 1stly, you never gave any evidence to back this statement up. I don't really remember him saying that. If that's true, then you're saying King Cold never saw Freeza's true form? His own father who raised him never saw his true form? lol quote Also, I believe you take every statement too literaly. Just because he said Goku's power was enought to handle Frieza doesn't necessary mean he was above Frieza's full power. It was either for the sake of the plot to show Goku's strength as a saiyan. After Goku transformed Coola said "I see so this is the power that defeated my broher" implying SSJ Goku in movie 5 is overall the same thing who beat Frieza. Note: I am not saying they have the same power but SSJ Goku in movie 5 symbolizes the one who beat Frieza. There is no hax here dude Wrong, he said about base Goku. "You do as well as I expected, enough to have defeated my brother" And he said about SSJ Goku "I see, so this is why Freeza was no match for you!" While he said base Goku was "enough" to beat Freeza, he said Freeza would be "no match" for SSJ Goku. base Goku > Freeza SSJ Goku >>>> Freeza That's what the statements imply. ------------------- Victorious' fan made Dragon Ball Z Battle Power (Sentō-ryoku) list
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pakl123456 dangerous total posts: 163 since: Jun 2012	Jul 04, 12 at 9:31am ^ re: Meta Cooler vs Android 18
	quote Victorious quote Who knows if he never saw hi sform. You said Freeza said nobody had ever seen his true form before. 1stly, you never gave any evidence to back this statement up. I don't really remember him saying that. If that's true, then you're saying King Cold never saw Freeza's true form? His own father who raised him never saw his true form? lol quote Also, I believe you take every statement too literaly. Just because he said Goku's power was enought to handle Frieza doesn't necessary mean he was above Frieza's full power. It was either for the sake of the plot to show Goku's strength as a saiyan. After Goku transformed Coola said "I see so this is the power that defeated my broher" implying SSJ Goku in movie 5 is overall the same thing who beat Frieza. Note: I am not saying they have the same power but SSJ Goku in movie 5 symbolizes the one who beat Frieza. There is no hax here dude Wrong, he said about base Goku. "You do as well as I expected, enough to have defeated my brother" And he said about SSJ Goku "I see, so this is why Freeza was no match for you!" While he said base Goku was "enough" to beat Freeza, he said Freeza would be "no match" for SSJ Goku. base Goku > Freeza SSJ Goku >>>> Freeza That's what the statements imply. He did say that. Watch the Japanese dub. He never said "would" he said SSJ Goku was the reason to why Frieza was no match for him which means SSJ Goku in movie 5 is overall the same one who beat Frieza so there is no hax. You take the sentence too literally. Cooler's 4th form is based on Frieza's final form as Goku fought him and Frieza was even surprised about his strength. That doesn't make Goku stronger than Frieza's max. There is no hax.
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kingstist no-stoppin-me-now total posts: 208 since: Mar 2012	Jul 04, 12 at 10:38am ^ re: Meta Cooler vs Android 18
	Thats why the movies are so stupid. According to Cooler, Base Goku>Full Power Frieza
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Victorious Hooked on Neo total posts: 4182 since: Jan 2011	Jul 04, 12 at 10:45am ^ re: Meta Cooler vs Android 18
	quote He never said "would" he said SSJ Goku was the reason to why Frieza was no match for him which means SSJ Goku in movie 5 is overall the same one who beat Frieza so there is no hax. You take the sentence too literally. Cooler's 4th form is based on Frieza's final form as Goku fought him and Frieza was even surprised about his strength. That doesn't make Goku stronger than Frieza's max. There is no hax. Freeza wasnt "No match" for SSJ Goku on Namek, he gave him a real good fight. Cooler never saw the fght between Goku and Freeza, so then he fights base Goku and says Goku was "enough" to beat Freeza. Which puts base Goku in movie 5 on SSJ Goku from Namek's level. Then Cooler fights SSJ Goku [movie 5] and says it's why Freeza was NO MATCH for Goku...but since we know Freeza was a match for SSJ Goku on Namek t's clearly not the same. There was a hax, deal with it. quote He did say that. Watch the Japanese dub. Tell me what episode he said that in. ------------------- Victorious' fan made Dragon Ball Z Battle Power (Sentō-ryoku) list
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G_O_G_E_T_A Vocare Ad Regnum (moderator) Dragonball total posts: 16052 since: May 2006	Jul 04, 12 at 10:58am ^ re: Meta Cooler vs Android 18
	quote p123 He must have been talking about some of Freeza's other forms or bad writing IMO Vic. There's no need for it... Goku M5 = Trunks Exactly. The main problem I have with that Goku hax is that there is an auto-assumption that Cooler is always referring to Frieza's full-power, whilst he may have only had Frieza's final suppression in mind when he made that statement about Goku's base form being strong enough to defeat Frieza. That is the main reason why I ditched supporting the hax, it's too vague and can only lead to people basing their claims on assumptions. But since it's "only" a movie, I suppose it's not that much of a biggie...
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kingstist no-stoppin-me-now total posts: 208 since: Mar 2012	Jul 04, 12 at 11:13am ^ re: Meta Cooler vs Android 18
	quote G_O_G_E_T_A quote p123 He must have been talking about some of Freeza's other forms or bad writing IMO Vic. There's no need for it... Goku M5 = Trunks Exactly. The main problem I have with that Goku hax is that there is an auto-assumption that Cooler is always referring to Frieza's full-power, whilst he may have only had Frieza's final suppression in mind when he made that statement about Goku's base form being strong enough to defeat Frieza. That is the main reason why I ditched supporting the hax, it's too vague and can only lead to people basing their claims on assumptions. But since it's "only" a movie, I suppose it's not that much of a biggie... I think Cooler was comparing Goku to 50% Frieza. After the Zenkai he got from coolers blast, Kaioken x20 Goku probably did surpass 50% Frieza considering he was almost even with him on Namek
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pakl123456 dangerous total posts: 163 since: Jun 2012	Jul 04, 12 at 11:28am ^ re: Meta Cooler vs Android 18
	quote Victorious quote He never said "would" he said SSJ Goku was the reason to why Frieza was no match for him which means SSJ Goku in movie 5 is overall the same one who beat Frieza so there is no hax. You take the sentence too literally. Cooler's 4th form is based on Frieza's final form as Goku fought him and Frieza was even surprised about his strength. That doesn't make Goku stronger than Frieza's max. There is no hax. Freeza wasnt "No match" for SSJ Goku on Namek, he gave him a real good fight. Cooler never saw the fght between Goku and Freeza, so then he fights base Goku and says Goku was "enough" to beat Freeza. Which puts base Goku in movie 5 on SSJ Goku from Namek's level. Then Cooler fights SSJ Goku [movie 5] and says it's why Freeza was NO MATCH for Goku...but since we know Freeza was a match for SSJ Goku on Namek t's clearly not the same. There was a hax, deal with it. quote He did say that. Watch the Japanese dub. Tell me what episode he said that in. When he was about to transform to his Third Form. Frieza was not a real match for Goku. Goku was testing his power and was above him and he was 1.25x stronger which is a total godsromp. Goku after returning to Namek is anyway stronger than he was against Frieza so Cooler also thought it was the same Goku and we know Goku after returning to Namek would crush Frieza. The fight vs Base Goku and Cooler was based on his fight vs Frieza and Frieza was also surprised about his strength. Cooler never saw Frieza's full power. There is no hax and even if it was so that's not "hax" as it happened during the movie and he was not stronger from the beginning.
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Victorious Hooked on Neo total posts: 4182 since: Jan 2011	Jul 04, 12 at 11:45am ^ re: Meta Cooler vs Android 18
	quote When he was about to transform to his Third Form. Ohh, I thought you said TRUE FORM. I don't care if Freeza said no one had seen his Third Form. you said Freeza said no one had seen his True form or max power. quote Frieza was not a real match for Goku. Goku was testing his power and was above him and he was 1.25x stronger which is a total godsromp. It wasnt a total godstomp at all, it was a very close fight, and Goku only took control when Freeza's ki started to fade. quote Goku after returning to Namek is anyway stronger than he was against Frieza so Cooler also thought it was the same Goku and we know Goku after returning to Namek would crush Frieza. Of course Goku is stronger here than he is on Namek, that's my whole point. Even before his zenkai, Roshi states Goku has gotten stronger since his return from Namek. That's the whole point, He gets to a point where his base is enough to beat Freeza and Freeza is no match for his SSJ. This is stated by Cooler. ------------------- Victorious' fan made Dragon Ball Z Battle Power (Sentō-ryoku) list
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XxSkelterXx “Dubito ergo cogito; cogito ergo sum. Permanently Plugged In total posts: 13246 since: Aug 2010	Jul 04, 12 at 12:28pm ^ re: Meta Cooler vs Android 18
	There is no Hax. Cooler's statement doesn't have to mean Goku was stronger than a form of Freeza, that according to Freeza himself, Nobody had seen him in. ( besides his parents ) Freeza spent 99% of the time sitting on his ass, with a power of 530k..Its silly to think Cooler meant anything besides that, considering the quote implies that Goku just stood around for half an hour while Freeza went through all his transformations, and powered up to full power.
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