Super Buu>>>SSJ3 Goku

I have ben hearing another bullshit argument from Goku and Kid Buu fanboys. The cliam is that Goku said he was no match for Super Buu and wanted to fuse since he was smaller than a flea and couldn't fight due to his small size.

Is this true? Well...

We will start with Goku's claim that he and Vegeta were no match for Super Buu even if they fought together.

Chapter: 506 (DBZ 312), P12.4-5
Context: after Goku and Vegeta revert Boo back to regular evil Boo
Goku: “Hehhe~~eh! With this, Boo’s power should have fallen significantly! We’re almost there! See, see: the size of his ki is completely different than before!”
Vegeta: “Alright! Let’s blast out of here and escape!”
Goku: “Wait! Even though Boo has returned to normal a whole lot, we’re still simply no match for his strength! If we go outside like this, we’ll definitely be done in…!”

Goku said even if he and Vegeta fight together they are no match for Super Buu. Some Goku's fanboys claim Goku said "like this" when h meant to his size however this is false. First, Goku said they are no match for his strength, if Goku meant to his size so why didn't he evn mention the size was the problem? Goku said they are no match for his strength which means they are weaker than Super Buu invidually. This is why later he wants to fuse with Vegeta because the "like this" refers to the fact that they are no mattch for Super Buu when they are seperated. Not only that but Goku was afraid to fight Super Buu outside when he ahould be at normal size which proves size had no part in that.

Chapter: 507 (DBZ 313), P2.4-5
Context: after evil Boo appears inside his own body
Vegeta: “Da…damn it…! Th-this could be bad…”
Goku: “Di-didn’t I tell your to wear your Potara?! Th-this is why! If we could just go outside and merge, then this kind of guy would be an easy victory!”

When Goku sees Super Buu inside of his body he is still afraid of him and doesn't want to fight him when Super Buu was the same size as they were. Goku also wanted to fight outside because he probably knew Buu can regenerate inside of his body not because Goku is weaker due to his size.

Chapter: 507 (DBZ 313), P4.2-4, P6.3-6
Context: as Goku and Vegeta are attacked by evil Boo
Goku: “Alrii—iight! Come at me if you’re gonna. I’ll open up a huge hole inside your body! *Boo smiles* Wh-what are you smiling about?...Do you think I can’t open one?”
Boo: “It’s no use.”
Goku: “Don’t underestimate me.”
*Goku blasts, not much happens*
Goku: “…”
Vegeta: “…It di-didn’t have any effect…”
Boo: “It stung a little here *points at head*, that’s all. You guys are now far, far smaller than fleas.”
Goku: “…So we’ve got no choice but to defeat you and then search for an exit somewhere.”
Boo: “No, you can’t defeat me. Not the way you guys are now…You’re gonna die, not me…”

There are those who claim Goku's ki decreased inside of Buu's body because of his size and that Super Buu also confirmed it. However, you can clearly notice that Goku was surprised he couldn't open a hole in Buu's body which means Goku never knew his size effected him inside of Buu and that means he was talking about his original power. Goku's ki couldn't hurt against the big things like Super Buu's body but Super Buu was the same size as they were. Super Buu said they were smaller than fleas since they can't beat him inside of his body since he can always regenerate but it doesn't matter since Goku and Vegeta were anyway at their SSJ forms. The real part here is that Goku never knew the size effected him, this is whyhe was surprised when he saw he couldn't open a hole in his body and talked about the fact they were not fused. Goku meant to his original power and also wanted to use fusion dance while fighting Super Buu which can only help their case if they are weaker not to their size. Finally, Goku was afraid to fight outside when he and Vegeta are at normal size and still wanted to use fusion implying Super Buu>>>Goku and Vegeta simple as that.

The size argument was pulled out of Goku's supporters collective asses to lower the accomplishments of the more powerful Gohan and Gotenks. It's an illusion, a trick and a bad lie drummed up to deny the truth of Gohan and Gotenks being much stronger than Goku.

quote SgtMartin

Yes this is common knowledge were is the debate value? Both anime and manga state this. Kid buu is more dangerous meaning uncontrollable.

Anime states Kid Buu>Buuhan and Goku is the god of DBZ in the fillers. The size argument was made up by fanboys.

No, the original Japanese dub says it too. When fighting Pure Boo, right before taking it up to Super Saiyan 3, Goku says...

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But that's just the anime practicing for GT by whoring out Goku at the very end of DBZ. Most people don't pay it any mind for these kinds of discussions, and use the non-self-contradictory manga instead.

The anime also has SSjin Goku easily taking out Ultimate Gohan, and fighting Initial Pure Boo, who is already stated to be above Gohan-Boo, in SSjin 2.

There's also the scene where Gohan-Boo snaps and starts tearing apart the multiverse and overpowering Super Vegetto, most likely with Pure Boo's suppressed power, which highly suggests Son Goku and Pure Boo are above Super Vegetto.

Manga-wise: Ultimate Gohan > SSjin 3 Gotenks >> Evil Boo >>> SSjin 2 Gotenks >>> SSjin Gogeta >=< SSjin Gotenks (Post) >>> Base Gotenks (Post) >>> SSjin Gotenks (Expected) >>> SSjin Gotenks (Pre) >> SSjin 3 Goku

Anime-wise: Pure Boo > SSjin 3 Goku >> Super Vegetto > Chaotic Gohan-Boo >>> SSjin 2 Goku > Pure Boo (Initial) > Gohan-Boo >>> SSjin Goku >> Ultimate Gohan

I really don't see any reason to deny these haxes besides Toei keeping the crappy manga lines in for no reason. Insane, unexplainable haxes happen all the time in Toei world.

GT has Son Goku surpassing his SSjin form in his base form by a massive margin just from traveling in space and fighting a bunch of weaklings, Pan going from below Base Gohan to closing in on SSjin 4 Goku from being knocked out briefly, etc.

I don't know why anyone would deny this; the anime does portray Pure Boo as the strongest, even downright stating it. But what does it matter when most people just ignore it anyway, wisely so, because of the inconsistencies it introduces? Why go "NUH UH HE'S NOT STRONGEST LALALALA" when there's no point to such denial?

quote CatouttaHell

I thought you were the one going around saying none of that matters because the manga statement of Evil Boo >>> SSjin 3 Goku automatically overrides all of the haxes?

You mean me? I'm just pointing out that the anime does try to straight-up tell us that Pure Boo is strongest. It's self-contradictory B.S. and I ignore it, but there's no denying that's what was said.

quote vegito1089

Kid Buu being above Buuhan and SSJ3 Goku>Mystic Gohan is the only haxed. Anime still states Vegito would beat Kid Buu so......

Vegito>Kid Buu>Buuhan>Buutenks>SSJ3 Goku>Mystic Gohan.

In the Anime Kid Buu was REALLY toying with Goku as Toei even showed fillers to support that. Anime anyway is a plot hole full of contradictions.

Vegetto can still beat Pure Boo because he has SSjin 2 and SSjin 3. Did you seriously need me to point that out to you?

In regards to Kid Boo being the strongest; let's just agree to disagree with that, okay?

I don't agree with you, but I'd rather save myself an unwanted headache.