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vegito1089 dangerous total posts: 197 since: Jan 2012	May 29, 12 at 6:19am ^ re: Super Perfect Cell vs SSJ2 Vegeta
	Log in to remove this advertisement quote Kaboom quote vegito1089 quote G_O_G_E_T_A That correction isn't present in Herms' translation form some reason. Which is odd considering these translations were made to put together a "strength checker" for the entire manga to see how everything checks out in the original manga. Such a correction should therefore have been present, but it was not. So I'd like to know where that translation comes from. Japanese and Dutch Manga. It must have been a minor embellishment on the part of whoever did the translations for the Dutch version. Viz does the same thing now and then with their English version. But I said the Japanese (original) dub says so as well.
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Kaboom s-e-e-k-e-r total posts: 1744 since: Mar 2011	May 29, 12 at 6:39am ^ re: Super Perfect Cell vs SSJ2 Vegeta
	You mean the manga? quote Herms' Strength Checker Guide Chapter: 465 (DBZ 271), P2.3-4 Context: as Vegeta fights Boo Piccolo: “[Vegeta]’s already surpassed Super Saiyan as well…This is tremendous power…Perhaps even greater than Gohan’s when he fought Cell…But then…Even Gohan has been killed by Majin Boo…Why is Majin Boo as [strong?] as this?…” Or the anime? If so, that's a little better. Assuming both translations' wording is accurate, the anime just makes things a little less vague. There's no indication of "much stronger" in either one.
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Victorious Hooked on Neo total posts: 4224 since: Jan 2011	May 29, 12 at 7:57am ^ re: Super Perfect Cell vs SSJ2 Vegeta
	quote Yes he does. "W- What power!! Incredible, he's as powerful as gohan was vs cell. No, much more even!" That's a bullshit translation, we have Herms' manga translations...Viz manga, and Japanese anime. NONE say Majin Vegeta is "much" greater than Kid Gohan. quote Good. So we have a clear admission of SPC=SSJ2 Kid Gohan. "Like" doesn't mean exactly equal, only similar. quote Goku said Gohan can win but he counted his hidden powers to win. Gohan (hidden powers unlocked)>SPC, but it says nothing about Intial SSJ2 Kid Gohan. Goku even told Gohan in the Buu Saga of he gets mad like he did when he fougt Cell so he becomes the strongest in the universe so I guess SSJ2 Adult Gohan>SSJ2 Goku? No, Goku just meant that if Gohan unlocked his hidden powers so he can beat Cell. Also, in the Anime Goku says "RIGHT NOW you are the strongest in the universe" which means Gohan with the injuried arm is the strongest since Goku said "right now" but we know SPC>>Injuried Gohan which once again proves my pint that Goku said Gohan is the strongest if he releases his hidden powers. He actually said so in the Anime. In the Anime Dende said "This time even Gohan might not be able to do anything" Later when Cell powers up to use his Kamehameha Dende said "A terrible ki. I have never felt something like that before" How can this be if Dende already felt SSJ2 Kid Gohan?? Can you search for the statements which I just mentioned just like you showed the picture of Goku when he says Gohan is the strongest??? I am pretty sure Toei used all of those fillers in favor of Cell like the Z Fighters's help and when Gohan states he felt his father's ki with him and when Goku tells Gohan to release his dormant powers and what also obviously happened in the end was since Toei wanted to show SPC>SSJ2 Kid Gohan. SPC might have been haxed IMO. Of course Gohan needs his hidden powers to beat SPC, he could t even come close to beating PC without them. Anyway as long as you have SSJ2 Kid Gohan > SPC, I'm cool since that is the correct interpretation. . You didnt have to write a paragraph of mumbo jumbo, lol. ------------------- Victorious' fan made Dragon Ball Z Battle Power (Sentō-ryoku) list
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vegito1089 dangerous total posts: 197 since: Jan 2012	May 29, 12 at 9:58am ^ re: Super Perfect Cell vs SSJ2 Vegeta
	quote Kaboom You mean the manga? quote Herms' Strength Checker Guide Chapter: 465 (DBZ 271), P2.3-4 Context: as Vegeta fights Boo Piccolo: “[Vegeta]’s already surpassed Super Saiyan as well…This is tremendous power…Perhaps even greater than Gohan’s when he fought Cell…But then…Even Gohan has been killed by Majin Boo…Why is Majin Boo as [strong?] as this?…” Or the anime? If so, that's a little better. Assuming both translations' wording is accurate, the anime just makes things a little less vague. There's no indication of "much stronger" in either one. I brought it from the Japanese Manga. Do you think I made up this line? ;) quote Victorious That's a bullshit translation, we have Herms' manga translations...Viz manga, and Japanese anime. NONE say Majin Vegeta is "much" greater than Kid Gohan. I brought it from the Japanese Manga. Do you think I made up this line? ;) quote Victorious Of course Gohan needs his hidden powers to beat SPC, he could t even come close to beating PC without them. Anyway as long as you have SSJ2 Kid Gohan > SPC, I'm cool since that is the correct interpretation. . The distraction wouln't been necessary if Cell was weaker. Cell was distracted so Gohan's 100% could of killed him. Besides Gohan's anger is beyond his normal limits SSJ2 Kid Gohan (hidden powers unlocked)>SPC>=SSJ2 Kid Gohan (intial). This is the correct interpretation.
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Victorious Hooked on Neo total posts: 4224 since: Jan 2011	May 29, 12 at 10:21am ^ re: Super Perfect Cell vs SSJ2 Vegeta
	quote I brought it from the Japanese Manga. Do you think I made up this line? Herms and Viz translate the Japanese manga too...I don't trust you. Why would Herms, Viz..and the Japanese anime be wrong and you and your phantom source be right? quote The distraction wouln't been necessary if Cell was weaker. Cell was distracted so Gohan's 100% could of killed him. Besides Gohan's anger is beyond his normal limits SSJ2 Kid Gohan (hidden powers unlocked)>SPC>=SSJ2 Kid Gohan (intial). This is the correct interpretation. Wait a minute, first you say Gohan needs a distraction, then your chain you put Gohan's full power over Cell...you're not making sense and contradicting yourself. Yeah SPC is stronger than SSJ2 Kid Gohan with his arm blown half to shit. Even Piccolo said that. But SSJ2 Gohan's full power is stronger than SPC...stated and implied by Goku. ------------------- Victorious' fan made Dragon Ball Z Battle Power (Sentō-ryoku) list
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vegito1089 dangerous total posts: 197 since: Jan 2012	May 29, 12 at 10:26am ^ re: Super Perfect Cell vs SSJ2 Vegeta
	quote Victorious quote I brought it from the Japanese Manga. Do you think I made up this line? ;) Herms and Viz translate the Japanese manga too...I don't trust you. Why would Herms, Viz..and the Japanese anime be wrong and you and your phantom source be right? quote The distraction wouln't been necessary if Cell was weaker. Cell was distracted so Gohan's 100% could of killed him. Besides Gohan's anger is beyond his normal limits SSJ2 Kid Gohan (hidden powers unlocked)>SPC>=SSJ2 Kid Gohan (intial). This is the correct interpretation. Wait a minute, first you say Gohan needs a distraction, then your chain you put Gohan's full power over Cell...you're not making sense and contradicting yourself. Yeah SPC is stronger than SSJ2 Kid Gohan with his arm blown half to shit. Even Piccolo said that. But SSJ2 Gohan's full power is stronger than SPC...stated and implied by Goku. He said his hidden powers are above Cell. Goku said in the Buu Saga when Gohan gets mad he is the strongest. Does that mean SSJ2 Adult Gohan>SSJ2 Goku as well?? I never contradicted myself. I said Cell had to be distracted which proves SSJ2 Gohan's 100% wouldn't been enough, otherwise why was the distraction even necessary if Gohan's max is higher?? Again, SSJ2 Kid Gohan (hidden powers)>SPC>=SSJ2 Kid Gohan.
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Victorious Hooked on Neo total posts: 4224 since: Jan 2011	May 29, 12 at 10:45am ^ re: Super Perfect Cell vs SSJ2 Vegeta
	quote vegito1089 quote Victorious quote I brought it from the Japanese Manga. Do you think I made up this line? Herms and Viz translate the Japanese manga too...I don't trust you. Why would Herms, Viz..and the Japanese anime be wrong and you and your phantom source be right? quote The distraction wouln't been necessary if Cell was weaker. Cell was distracted so Gohan's 100% could of killed him. Besides Gohan's anger is beyond his normal limits SSJ2 Kid Gohan (hidden powers unlocked)>SPC>=SSJ2 Kid Gohan (intial). This is the correct interpretation. Wait a minute, first you say Gohan needs a distraction, then your chain you put Gohan's full power over Cell...you're not making sense and contradicting yourself. Yeah SPC is stronger than SSJ2 Kid Gohan with his arm blown half to shit. Even Piccolo said that. But SSJ2 Gohan's full power is stronger than SPC...stated and implied by Goku. He said his hidden powers are above Cell. Goku said in the Buu Saga when Gohan gets mad he is the strongest. Does that mean SSJ2 Adult Gohan>SSJ2 Goku as well?? I never contradicted myself. I said Cell had to be distracted which proves SSJ2 Gohan's 100% wouldn't been enough, otherwise why was the distraction even necessary if Gohan's max is higher?? Again, SSJ2 Kid Gohan (hidden powers)>SPC>=SSJ2 Kid Gohan. quote He said his hidden powers are above Cell. He said THAT way earlier, before Gohan even went SSJ2. That if Gohan shows his hidden "true power" he'll be stronger than Cell. And he was right. So reason to deny that here quote Goku said in the Buu Saga when Gohan gets mad he is the strongest. Does that mean SSJ2 Adult Gohan>SSJ2 Goku as well?? No, but that's because no one knew Goku's full SSJ2 power yet. And Goku's real power is actually SSJ3. Goku was just telling Gohan if he gets angry he'll be the strongest, which is true since Goku had not shown his full SSJ2, much less SSJ3 power yet. And he did not know Vegeta had SSJ2 yet either. I quote never contradicted myself. I said Cell had to be distracted which proves SSJ2 Gohan's 100% wouldn't been enough, otherwise why was the distraction even necessary if Gohan's max is higher?? How does that prove Gohan's 100% would not be enough? his hidden powers are his 100%. If you are saying that he needs a distraction or else he can't win the KHH struggle you would be wrong. He doesn't need a distraction. He just needs to unleash his full power one last time. ------------------- Victorious' fan made Dragon Ball Z Battle Power (Sentō-ryoku) list
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vegito1089 dangerous total posts: 197 since: Jan 2012	May 29, 12 at 12:31pm ^ re: Super Perfect Cell vs SSJ2 Vegeta
	quote Victorious quote vegito1089 quote Victorious quote I brought it from the Japanese Manga. Do you think I made up this line? ;) Herms and Viz translate the Japanese manga too...I don't trust you. Why would Herms, Viz..and the Japanese anime be wrong and you and your phantom source be right? quote The distraction wouln't been necessary if Cell was weaker. Cell was distracted so Gohan's 100% could of killed him. Besides Gohan's anger is beyond his normal limits SSJ2 Kid Gohan (hidden powers unlocked)>SPC>=SSJ2 Kid Gohan (intial). This is the correct interpretation. Wait a minute, first you say Gohan needs a distraction, then your chain you put Gohan's full power over Cell...you're not making sense and contradicting yourself. Yeah SPC is stronger than SSJ2 Kid Gohan with his arm blown half to shit. Even Piccolo said that. But SSJ2 Gohan's full power is stronger than SPC...stated and implied by Goku. He said his hidden powers are above Cell. Goku said in the Buu Saga when Gohan gets mad he is the strongest. Does that mean SSJ2 Adult Gohan>SSJ2 Goku as well?? I never contradicted myself. I said Cell had to be distracted which proves SSJ2 Gohan's 100% wouldn't been enough, otherwise why was the distraction even necessary if Gohan's max is higher?? Again, SSJ2 Kid Gohan (hidden powers)>SPC>=SSJ2 Kid Gohan. quote He said his hidden powers are above Cell. He said THAT way earlier, before Gohan even went SSJ2. That if Gohan shows his hidden "true power" he'll be stronger than Cell. And he was right. So reason to deny that here quote Goku said in the Buu Saga when Gohan gets mad he is the strongest. Does that mean SSJ2 Adult Gohan>SSJ2 Goku as well?? No, but that's because no one knew Goku's full SSJ2 power yet. And Goku's real power is actually SSJ3. Goku was just telling Gohan if he gets angry he'll be the strongest, which is true since Goku had not shown his full SSJ2, much less SSJ3 power yet. And he did not know Vegeta had SSJ2 yet either. I quote never contradicted myself. I said Cell had to be distracted which proves SSJ2 Gohan's 100% wouldn't been enough, otherwise why was the distraction even necessary if Gohan's max is higher?? How does that prove Gohan's 100% would not be enough? his hidden powers are his 100%. If you are saying that he needs a distraction or else he can't win the KHH struggle you would be wrong. He doesn't need a distraction. He just needs to unleash his full power one last time. quote Victorious He said THAT way earlier, before Gohan even went SSJ2. That if Gohan shows his hidden "true power" he'll be stronger than Cell. And he was right. So reason to deny that here He said that when he pushed Gohan to atack Cell. He said "I want you to show me the power we both made" He meant to his hidden powers. quote Victorious No, but that's because no one knew Goku's full SSJ2 power yet. And Goku's real power is actually SSJ3. Goku was just telling Gohan if he gets angry he'll be the strongest, which is true since Goku had not shown his full SSJ2, much less SSJ3 power yet. And he did not know Vegeta had SSJ2 yet either. He showed his SSJ2 power vs Yakon adnd I pretty sure that power is above SSJ2 Adult Gohan. When Goku says Gohan is the strongest when he gets mad. He means like he as able to rape Frieza when he got mad and his power increased for a while beyond his normal limits. SSJ2 Kid Gohan (hidden powers unlocked>SPC=SSJ2 Kid Gohan. quote Victorious How does that prove Gohan's 100% would not be enough? his hidden powers are his 100%. Yes, but why did Cell have to be distratced if Gohan's 100% was above him? That's proof Cell was not weaker otherwise the distraction wouldn't been necessary. SPC=SSJ2 Kid Gohan. No he needed the distraction in order to beat Cell with his FULL POWER OTHERISE THE DISTRACTION WOULDN'T BEEN NECESSARY. I say the distraction was necessary since it proves Gohan's max was not able to beat focused SPC. He would at best match him. Not to mention Cell held back to see Gohan suffers.
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Victorious Hooked on Neo total posts: 4224 since: Jan 2011	May 29, 12 at 1:32pm ^ re: Super Perfect Cell vs SSJ2 Vegeta
	quote He showed his SSJ2 power vs Yakon adnd I pretty sure that power is above SSJ2 Adult Gohan. We don't know if it's above SSJ2 Adult Gohan or not. There was no statement on how powerful the burst was. quote Yes, but why did Cell have to be distratced if Gohan's 100% was above him? That's proof Cell was not weaker otherwise the distraction wouldn't been necessary. SPC=SSJ2 Kid Gohan. No he needed the distraction in order to beat Cell with his FULL POWER OTHERISE THE DISTRACTION WOULDN'T BEEN NECESSARY. I say the distraction was necessary since it proves Gohan's max was not able to beat focused SPC. He would at best match him. Not to mention Cell held back to see Gohan suffers. Goku didn't think the distraction was necessarily. He never mentioned a distraction when he told Gohan he'd "win for sure" in the KHH struggle, or was the "strongest in the universe right now". That's a clear statement that Kid Gohan's power is greater than SPC's. Also, in the Buu saga, when SSJ2 Goku [full power] and SSJ2 Majin Vegeta are sensed...Piccolo and Vegeta note that their powers are "greater than Gohan's against Cell"...so why talk of Gohan and Cell but only Gohan's power? Clearly Gohan had the highest power in the universe up to that point. quote He said that when he pushed Gohan to attack Cell. He said "I want you to show me the power we both made" He meant to his hidden powers. Dude, as long as you have Gohan's absolute max > SPC, I'm fine with it. Cell is without question a rival, he said he's powered up like Gohan,...but Gohan should still be slightly stronger. ------------------- Victorious' fan made Dragon Ball Z Battle Power (Sentō-ryoku) list
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CatouttaHell Unslaad krosis N'Somniac total posts: 4821 since: Mar 2011	May 29, 12 at 1:56pm ^ re: Super Perfect Cell vs SSJ2 Vegeta
	There's no such thing as SSjin 2 Adult Gohan, unless you're talking about the Super No. 17 arc. Son Gohan lost both of his SSjin transformations at 17 years of age and only regained them in GT.
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super michael feel the power of the Millennium Items Hooked on Neo total posts: 4195 since: May 2005	May 29, 12 at 3:43pm ^ re: Super Perfect Cell vs SSJ2 Vegeta
	True canon wise there is no adult SSJ1 and SSJ2 gohan, since gohan lost his SSJ transformation in his teen age when elder kai unlocked his potential. ------------------- super smash bros brawl friend code, 4554-1399-8625 mike.
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vegito1089 dangerous total posts: 197 since: Jan 2012	May 29, 12 at 11:59pm ^ re: Super Perfect Cell vs SSJ2 Vegeta
	quote Victorious quote He showed his SSJ2 power vs Yakon adnd I pretty sure that power is above SSJ2 Adult Gohan. We don't know if it's above SSJ2 Adult Gohan or not. There was no statement on how powerful the burst was. quote Yes, but why did Cell have to be distratced if Gohan's 100% was above him? That's proof Cell was not weaker otherwise the distraction wouldn't been necessary. SPC=SSJ2 Kid Gohan. No he needed the distraction in order to beat Cell with his FULL POWER OTHERISE THE DISTRACTION WOULDN'T BEEN NECESSARY. I say the distraction was necessary since it proves Gohan's max was not able to beat focused SPC. He would at best match him. Not to mention Cell held back to see Gohan suffers. Goku didn't think the distraction was necessarily. He never mentioned a distraction when he told Gohan he'd "win for sure" in the KHH struggle, or was the "strongest in the universe right now". That's a clear statement that Kid Gohan's power is greater than SPC's. Also, in the Buu saga, when SSJ2 Goku [full power] and SSJ2 Majin Vegeta are sensed...Piccolo and Vegeta note that their powers are "greater than Gohan's against Cell"...so why talk of Gohan and Cell but only Gohan's power? Clearly Gohan had the highest power in the universe up to that point. quote He said that when he pushed Gohan to attack Cell. He said "I want you to show me the power we both made" He meant to his hidden powers. Dude, as long as you have Gohan's absolute max > SPC, I'm fine with it. Cell is without question a rival, he said he's powered up like Gohan,...but Gohan should still be slightly stronger. quote Victorious We don't know if it's above SSJ2 Adult Gohan or not. There was no statement on how powerful the burst was. Gohan said that power was incredible. quote Victorious Goku didn't think the distraction was necessarily. He never mentioned a distraction when he told Gohan he'd "win for sure" in the KHH struggle, or was the "strongest in the universe right now". Goku wanted Gohan to be confident. That doesn't mean Gohn was stronger. Cell also never showed his true power. Also you seem to ignore what I say. Goku said "RIGHT NOW you are the strongest in the universe. which means Gohan with the one arm is the strongest in the universe. Goku basically talked about Gohan's andger as he stated in the Buu Saga Gohan would beat anyone when he gets mad and he said that just before he started his fight as a SSJ2 vs Vegeta so Toriyama already planned SSJ2 Goku. Toriyama anyway showed the distraction was necessary. Goku even told Gohan to he was holding back and never gave everything he had and it was not enough till Vegeta distracted Cell. Now, if Gohan is above Cell why would the distraction be necesary? Hence they were equals in every term as Cell even said he had powered up like that. quote Victorious Also, in the Buu saga, when SSJ2 Goku [full power] and SSJ2 Majin Vegeta are sensed...Piccolo and Vegeta note that their powers are "greater than Gohan's against Cell"...so why talk of Gohan and Cell but only Gohan's power? Clearly Gohan had the highest power in the universe up to that point. That doesn't mean anything. Vegeta mentioned Gohan since he compared themselves to a SSJ2. Besides SPC never releaved his full power and his full potential and also held back in the beam struggle. I can also say Vegeta never mentioned Cell since they never saw his full power. Note they only saw SSJ2 Kid Gohan's abillities during the fight. Cell never releaved his full power or fought Gohan one on one. He only used his Kamehameha and also held back to see Gohan suffers. SPC=SSJ2 Kid Gohan.
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Victorious Hooked on Neo total posts: 4224 since: Jan 2011	May 30, 12 at 6:12am ^ re: Super Perfect Cell vs SSJ2 Vegeta
	quote Gohan said that power was incredible. Doesnt mean it was more powerful than him. quote Goku wanted Gohan to be confident. That doesn't mean Gohn was stronger. Cell also never showed his true power. Also you seem to ignore what I say. Goku said "RIGHT NOW you are the strongest in the universe. which means Gohan with the one arm is the strongest in the universe. Goku basically talked about Gohan's andger as he stated in the Buu Saga Gohan would beat anyone when he gets mad and he said that just before he started his fight as a SSJ2 vs Vegeta so Toriyama already planned SSJ2 Goku. Toriyama anyway showed the distraction was necessary. Goku even told Gohan to he was holding back and never gave everything he had and it was not enough till Vegeta distracted Cell. Now, if Gohan is above Cell why would the distraction be necesary? Hence they were equals in every term as Cell even said he had powered up like that. What do you mean Cell never showed his true power, that's just more made up bullshit from you. Cell was at full power when he came back with the zenkai power up. Goku was talking about Gohan's full power, remember he said "Show me one last time the power we built together"..that power is greater than Cell's...that power is the strongest in the universe. The distraction was not necessary, perhaps if Cell wasnt distracted he wouldnt have been over taken so easily...but there are like 3 statements putting Gohan > SPC. quote That doesn't mean anything. Vegeta mentioned Gohan since he compared themselves to a SSJ2. Besides SPC never releaved his full power and his full potential and also held back in the beam struggle. I can also say Vegeta never mentioned Cell since they never saw his full power. Note they only saw SSJ2 Kid Gohan's abillities during the fight. Cell never releaved his full power or fought Gohan one on one. He only used his Kamehameha and also held back to see Gohan suffers. SPC=SSJ2 Kid Gohan. Vegeta and Piccolo both mention Gohan AGAINST CELL, but only Gohan's power. So they mention Gohan and Cell, but only Gohan's power are they comparing with. Gohan was the most powerful dude, get over it. Edit: May 30, 12 6:37am ------------------- Victorious' fan made Dragon Ball Z Battle Power (Sentō-ryoku) list
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KaijuKai starting to like it total posts: 74 since: Apr 2012	May 30, 12 at 9:17am ^ re: Super Perfect Cell vs SSJ2 Vegeta
	vegeta, pre, majin, and post, would stomp ssj2 gohan cell games no contest. gohan was an intial ssj2. we all know saiyans, when achieving a new state, have a ton of room for improvement. IMO, goku maxed the out (leading to ssj3) and vegeta was well acquainted with it, yet still had room for improvement (going majin gave him some power and a lot of evil IMO.. Gohan was running on a decent amount emotion, not refined skill of the transformation, when fighting cell. therefore, vegeta would stomp spc. unless spc brought out the kaioken, but thats not possible. i guess.
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G_O_G_E_T_A Vocare Ad Regnum (moderator) Dragonball total posts: 16154 since: May 2006	May 30, 12 at 10:19am ^ re: Super Perfect Cell vs SSJ2 Vegeta
	This could be a close one to call. Vegeta didn't appear to have eclipsed Gohan's power until after he became a Majin. And even then, the gap was so small that Piccolo had a hard time telling if Vegeta was stronger than Gohan at all. And since the Majin boost was hinted to have increased Vegeta's power by quite a lot; then he may have even be weaker than Cell Games SSJ2 Gohan without it. And seeing as SPC is at least a close rival to Gohan, there's a good chance he is more powerful than SSJ2 Vegeta as well. Not to mention that he has several other advantages over Vegeta, besides a possible power edge. Unless I overlook something significant here, I wouldn't be at all surprised if Cell would win this.
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