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vegito1089 dangerous total posts: 197 since: Jan 2012	May 27, 12 at 2:28am ^ re: Super Perfect Cell vs SSJ2 Vegeta
	Log in to remove this advertisement quote G_O_G_E_T_A quote vegito1089 quote G_O_G_E_T_A quote SgtMartin quote vegito1089 quote Vegeta SSJ2 SSJ2 Vegeta PreMajin right ? DSSJ2 Vegeta = Majin Vegeta > Kid Gohan SSJ2 ~ Vegeta SSJ2 PreMajin > SPC. That's what i have. I have to correct you. SPC was stated to be Gohan's equal if not beyond. SSJ2 Vegeta>=SPC=SSJ2 Kid Gohan Nothing suggest ssj2 vegeta kept the boost after babidi dies. Just like Dabura the effects wears off since the user and the master aren't a live. If Cell was more powerful than ssj2 Gohan than why would AT feel the need to destroy Gohan's arm?????? Its not till after that Gohan feels that is power is cut. Pre arm broken would have destroyed cell. Majin Vegeta> ssj 2 Vegeta > ssj2 Gohan > SPC I always regard SSJ2 Majin Vegeta and SSJ2 Vegeta (post return to Earth) as the same power, for the simple reason that it wouldn't matter if he did or did not keep his Majin boost. Logically spoken, I agree with you as the Majin effects are the result of a spell cast onto Vegeta by Babidi. And since spells usually are reverted when the individual who cast them dies, there can be a compelling argument made as to why Vegeta should have been stripped of his Majin power. But it's a back and forth kind of argument really (I should know, I argued about it for years on end), I tend to keep them as equals. After all, it's not as if Vegeta would have fared any better against Kid Buu had he retained the Majin boost. IMO; it's kind of a pointless debate really, it leads nowhere. Vegeta never got rage boots and Majin Vegeta>SSJ2 Vegeta. If majin makes you more powerful so that also supports Kid Buu>Super Buu which might be true....... You failed to specify which SSJ2 Vegeta, though. Pre-Majin, or during the clash with Kid Buu. As for Kid Buu > Super Buu, that's not happening in a million years. Manga-wise anyway, the anime could be a different case, which wouldn't be the first time. Pre Majin of course. Anime Kid Buu>Buuhan. However I also think Super Buu>Kid Buu but there are points to suggest otherwise like in the Japanese Manga when Kaioshin says Kid Buu is stronger than Super Buu since he doesn't have mind which diminished his power.
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G_O_G_E_T_A Vocare Ad Regnum (moderator) Dragonball total posts: 16156 since: May 2006	May 27, 12 at 2:37am ^ re: Super Perfect Cell vs SSJ2 Vegeta
	Once again we have a bunch of quotes blurring things. I don't think Kaioshin flatout stated Kid Buu > Super Buu at any point, but I'd have to see that quote to be sure. In any case; Goku was terrified at the mere thought of facing Super Buu, whilst he was capable of fighting Kid Buu on a level playing field. So based on actual manga sequences; I would say Kid Buu is nowhere near Super. That's something the majority of the fan base has settled on for quite a while now. EDIT: looked up the quote from the original manga; and it just makes mention of Kid Buu being the most troublesome Buu, not necessarily the most powerful. That's two very different things: quote Chapter: 508 (DBZ 314), P4.2-7 Kaioshin: “In m…my era there were five Kaioshins…until they were defeated by the Majin Boo that the wizard Babidi created…I was the youngest and most powerless one, but I somehow survived, with only heavy injuries…But the other four fell to Boo…First, two were killed…the North Kaioshin and the West Kaioshin….And then the South Kaioshin, the burliest and strongest one, was…somehow absorbed by Boo….. “ Elder Kaioshin: …And he became that huge Boo from before? “ Kaioshin: “…Yes…Next to be absorbed was the fat but kind and gentle Dai-Kaioshin….The Majin Boo that Bibidi created was evil itself, a failed creation that even Bibidi himself couldn’t handle, but by absorbing the Dai-Kaioshin, he somehow become controllable…. “ Elder Kaioshin: “…So he was finally completed…Which is to say…that this current…small Majin Boo…is the initial…mo…most troublesome one…” Kaioshin: “….Yes…the heart which he gained by going so far as to lower his power through absorption[s]…has returned once again to the way it was…he has no self-control whatsoever…he has become evil itself…” Credits go to Herms for the translation. Edit: May 27, 12 2:53am
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vegito1089 dangerous total posts: 197 since: Jan 2012	May 27, 12 at 3:16am ^ re: Super Perfect Cell vs SSJ2 Vegeta
	quote G_O_G_E_T_A Once again we have a bunch of quotes blurring things. I don't think Kaioshin flatout stated Kid Buu > Super Buu at any point, but I'd have to see that quote to be sure. In any case; Goku was terrified at the mere thought of facing Super Buu, whilst he was capable of fighting Kid Buu on a level playing field. So based on actual manga sequences; I would say Kid Buu is nowhere near Super. That's something the majority of the fan base has settled on for quite a while now. EDIT: looked up the quote from the original manga; and it just makes mention of Kid Buu being the most troublesome Buu, not necessarily the most powerful. That's two very different things: quote Chapter: 508 (DBZ 314), P4.2-7 Kaioshin: “In m…my era there were five Kaioshins…until they were defeated by the Majin Boo that the wizard Babidi created…I was the youngest and most powerless one, but I somehow survived, with only heavy injuries…But the other four fell to Boo…First, two were killed…the North Kaioshin and the West Kaioshin….And then the South Kaioshin, the burliest and strongest one, was…somehow absorbed by Boo….. “ Elder Kaioshin: …And he became that huge Boo from before? “ Kaioshin: “…Yes…Next to be absorbed was the fat but kind and gentle Dai-Kaioshin….The Majin Boo that Bibidi created was evil itself, a failed creation that even Bibidi himself couldn’t handle, but by absorbing the Dai-Kaioshin, he somehow become controllable…. “ Elder Kaioshin: “…So he was finally completed…Which is to say…that this current…small Majin Boo…is the initial…mo…most troublesome one…” Kaioshin: “….Yes…the heart which he gained by going so far as to lower his power through absorption[s]…has returned once again to the way it was…he has no self-control whatsoever…he has become evil itself…” Credits go to Herms for the translation. I agree Super Buu>>>>Kid Buu since Kid Buu and Goku are even and Goku can't even scratch Super Buu, however, when Elder Kai says "he's finally complete" he can mean that his power is finally complete since he has no good inside of him anymore. Then Kibito Kai said "lower his power through absorbation[s]" That means the good influence lowered his power and Super Buu had Good Buu inside of him so that's why his power was increasing since all the good which had lowered his power is gone and he was totally unrestricted. Well according to the Kai's explaination about the Majin it makes sense Kid Buu>Super Buu. However if we look at raw power it makes no sense at all since Kid Buu was even with Goku who is way weaker than Super Buu. I think it's a plot hole.
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TrexTitan Neophyte total posts: 25 since: Sep 2011	May 27, 12 at 5:10pm ^ re: Super Perfect Cell vs SSJ2 Vegeta
	quote vegito1089 quote SgtMartin quote vegito1089 quote SgtMartin quote vegito1089 quote Vegeta SSJ2 SSJ2 Vegeta PreMajin right ? DSSJ2 Vegeta = Majin Vegeta > Kid Gohan SSJ2 ~ Vegeta SSJ2 PreMajin > SPC. That's what i have. I have to correct you. SPC was stated to be Gohan's equal if not beyond. SSJ2 Vegeta>=SPC=SSJ2 Kid Gohan Nothing suggest ssj2 vegeta kept the boost after babidi dies. Just like Dabura the effects wears off since the user and the master aren't a live. If Cell was more powerful than ssj2 Gohan than why would AT feel the need to destroy Gohan's arm?????? Its not till after that Gohan feels that is power is cut. Pre arm broken would have destroyed cell. Majin Vegeta> ssj 2 Vegeta > ssj2 Gohan > SPC Wrong! SPC was said to be as strong as SSJ2 Kid Gohan if not stronger. Cell destroyed his arm with uncharged ki blast and Troiyama wanted Gohan to be harmed to show how powerful Cell was or for the drama so that doesn't mean Cell was weaker, if anything that proves Cell was even stronger. Cell said he had powered up like SSJ2 Gohan and proved it when he damaged him with uncharged ki blast. Cell was confident he can beat Gohan and was not afraid. Cell knows how strong Gohan was, he wouldn't been so calm if he was weaker. Gohan won since he released his inner powers. SSJ2 Kid Gohan (hidden powers)>SPC=SSJ2 KId Gohan. In the Anime SPC was stated to be even stronger. Wow your something else. There was nothing in the anime that states Cell was stronger. That Blast was mean for Vegeta which Gohan being the protector that he is got into the attack. Meaning if this ki blast where to have done a lot of damage you say would have meant Gohan would have revert back to a ssj from or base. The fact that it only hurt his arm means it really wasn't that hurtful of an attack. Gohan's confidence is what made him think that Cell was stronger. As we all have seen Gohan defeated Cell. The Anime states SPC was stronger. Watch the Japanses dub when Dende says "This time Gohan might not be able to do something". Later When Cell was about to use his Kamehameha Dende said "A terrible ki, I have never experienced a power like that" How is it possible if he already felt SSJ2 Gohan??? Cell delivered a small ki blst and he barely charged it. Gohan beat Cell because he used his inner powers. That means SSJ2 Gohan (hidden powers)>SPC. That says nothing about the Gohan who fought Perfect Cell. Toei made SPC>SSJ2 Kid Gohan in the Anime. That's why they added fillers when everyone helps Gohan and it's not enough and laos added fillers when Gohan said he felt his father's ki with him and added the filler when Goku tells to Gohan to release his hidden powers and the Japanese dub showed he did it in the end. Watch the Japanese dub. In regards to your dende quote; spc charging his kamehameha might well be stronger than ss2 gohan since gohan never unleashed a full power kamehameha in his healthy state previously. Does not mean spc is flat out stronger, just that his ki momentarily rose above ss2 gohan (healthy but passive)
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Victorious Hooked on Neo total posts: 4233 since: Jan 2011	May 27, 12 at 7:38pm ^ re: Super Perfect Cell vs SSJ2 Vegeta
	quote vegito1089 quote SgtMartin quote vegito1089 quote SgtMartin quote vegito1089 quote Vegeta SSJ2 SSJ2 Vegeta PreMajin right ? DSSJ2 Vegeta = Majin Vegeta > Kid Gohan SSJ2 ~ Vegeta SSJ2 PreMajin > SPC. That's what i have. I have to correct you. SPC was stated to be Gohan's equal if not beyond. SSJ2 Vegeta>=SPC=SSJ2 Kid Gohan Nothing suggest ssj2 vegeta kept the boost after babidi dies. Just like Dabura the effects wears off since the user and the master aren't a live. If Cell was more powerful than ssj2 Gohan than why would AT feel the need to destroy Gohan's arm?????? Its not till after that Gohan feels that is power is cut. Pre arm broken would have destroyed cell. Majin Vegeta> ssj 2 Vegeta > ssj2 Gohan > SPC Wrong! SPC was said to be as strong as SSJ2 Kid Gohan if not stronger. Cell destroyed his arm with uncharged ki blast and Troiyama wanted Gohan to be harmed to show how powerful Cell was or for the drama so that doesn't mean Cell was weaker, if anything that proves Cell was even stronger. Cell said he had powered up like SSJ2 Gohan and proved it when he damaged him with uncharged ki blast. Cell was confident he can beat Gohan and was not afraid. Cell knows how strong Gohan was, he wouldn't been so calm if he was weaker. Gohan won since he released his inner powers. SSJ2 Kid Gohan (hidden powers)>SPC=SSJ2 KId Gohan. In the Anime SPC was stated to be even stronger. Wow your something else. There was nothing in the anime that states Cell was stronger. That Blast was mean for Vegeta which Gohan being the protector that he is got into the attack. Meaning if this ki blast where to have done a lot of damage you say would have meant Gohan would have revert back to a ssj from or base. The fact that it only hurt his arm means it really wasn't that hurtful of an attack. Gohan's confidence is what made him think that Cell was stronger. As we all have seen Gohan defeated Cell. The Anime states SPC was stronger. Watch the Japanses dub when Dende says "This time Gohan might not be able to do something". Later When Cell was about to use his Kamehameha Dende said "A terrible ki, I have never experienced a power like that" How is it possible if he already felt SSJ2 Gohan??? Cell delivered a small ki blst and he barely charged it. Gohan beat Cell because he used his inner powers. That means SSJ2 Gohan (hidden powers)>SPC. That says nothing about the Gohan who fought Perfect Cell. Toei made SPC>SSJ2 Kid Gohan in the Anime. That's why they added fillers when everyone helps Gohan and it's not enough and laos added fillers when Gohan said he felt his father's ki with him and added the filler when Goku tells to Gohan to release his hidden powers and the Japanese dub showed he did it in the end. Watch the Japanese dub. Japanese anime Goku flat out says Gohan is "the strongest in the universe right now". SSJ2 Kid Gohan > SPC...but Cell is definitely close. Anyway, I give this fight to Cell, in a very close close fight. Vegeta is right up there with them, but Vegeta should still be a little bit weaker than SSJ2 Kid Gohan. There has to be a significant gap between pre and post Majin Vegeta, and post Majin Vegeta is only "As great, perhaps even greater" than kid Gohan stated by Piccolo. ------------------- Victorious' fan made Dragon Ball Z Battle Power (Sentō-ryoku) list
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SgtMartin Kicking butt since 2004 true seeker (2K Remix) total posts: 2123 since: Dec 2010	May 27, 12 at 8:57pm ^ re: Super Perfect Cell vs SSJ2 Vegeta
	quote Victorious quote vegito1089 quote SgtMartin quote vegito1089 quote SgtMartin quote vegito1089 quote Vegeta SSJ2 SSJ2 Vegeta PreMajin right ? DSSJ2 Vegeta = Majin Vegeta > Kid Gohan SSJ2 ~ Vegeta SSJ2 PreMajin > SPC. That's what i have. I have to correct you. SPC was stated to be Gohan's equal if not beyond. SSJ2 Vegeta>=SPC=SSJ2 Kid Gohan Nothing suggest ssj2 vegeta kept the boost after babidi dies. Just like Dabura the effects wears off since the user and the master aren't a live. If Cell was more powerful than ssj2 Gohan than why would AT feel the need to destroy Gohan's arm?????? Its not till after that Gohan feels that is power is cut. Pre arm broken would have destroyed cell. Majin Vegeta> ssj 2 Vegeta > ssj2 Gohan > SPC Wrong! SPC was said to be as strong as SSJ2 Kid Gohan if not stronger. Cell destroyed his arm with uncharged ki blast and Troiyama wanted Gohan to be harmed to show how powerful Cell was or for the drama so that doesn't mean Cell was weaker, if anything that proves Cell was even stronger. Cell said he had powered up like SSJ2 Gohan and proved it when he damaged him with uncharged ki blast. Cell was confident he can beat Gohan and was not afraid. Cell knows how strong Gohan was, he wouldn't been so calm if he was weaker. Gohan won since he released his inner powers. SSJ2 Kid Gohan (hidden powers)>SPC=SSJ2 KId Gohan. In the Anime SPC was stated to be even stronger. Wow your something else. There was nothing in the anime that states Cell was stronger. That Blast was mean for Vegeta which Gohan being the protector that he is got into the attack. Meaning if this ki blast where to have done a lot of damage you say would have meant Gohan would have revert back to a ssj from or base. The fact that it only hurt his arm means it really wasn't that hurtful of an attack. Gohan's confidence is what made him think that Cell was stronger. As we all have seen Gohan defeated Cell. The Anime states SPC was stronger. Watch the Japanses dub when Dende says "This time Gohan might not be able to do something". Later When Cell was about to use his Kamehameha Dende said "A terrible ki, I have never experienced a power like that" How is it possible if he already felt SSJ2 Gohan??? Cell delivered a small ki blst and he barely charged it. Gohan beat Cell because he used his inner powers. That means SSJ2 Gohan (hidden powers)>SPC. That says nothing about the Gohan who fought Perfect Cell. Toei made SPC>SSJ2 Kid Gohan in the Anime. That's why they added fillers when everyone helps Gohan and it's not enough and laos added fillers when Gohan said he felt his father's ki with him and added the filler when Goku tells to Gohan to release his hidden powers and the Japanese dub showed he did it in the end. Watch the Japanese dub. Japanese anime Goku flat out says Gohan is "the strongest in the universe right now". SSJ2 Kid Gohan > SPC...but Cell is definitely close. Anyway, I give this fight to Cell, in a very close close fight. Vegeta is right up there with them, but Vegeta should still be a little bit weaker than SSJ2 Kid Gohan. There has to be a significant gap between pre and post Majin Vegeta, and post Majin Vegeta is only "As great, perhaps even greater" than kid Gohan stated by Piccolo. Good to see you Vic. Long time no see. ON TOPIC: I would have to agree with you. As stated Majin brought him up to Goku's level.
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vegito1089 dangerous total posts: 197 since: Jan 2012	May 28, 12 at 12:19am ^ re: Super Perfect Cell vs SSJ2 Vegeta
	quote TrexTitan quote vegito1089 quote SgtMartin quote vegito1089 quote SgtMartin quote vegito1089 quote Vegeta SSJ2 SSJ2 Vegeta PreMajin right ? DSSJ2 Vegeta = Majin Vegeta > Kid Gohan SSJ2 ~ Vegeta SSJ2 PreMajin > SPC. That's what i have. I have to correct you. SPC was stated to be Gohan's equal if not beyond. SSJ2 Vegeta>=SPC=SSJ2 Kid Gohan Nothing suggest ssj2 vegeta kept the boost after babidi dies. Just like Dabura the effects wears off since the user and the master aren't a live. If Cell was more powerful than ssj2 Gohan than why would AT feel the need to destroy Gohan's arm?????? Its not till after that Gohan feels that is power is cut. Pre arm broken would have destroyed cell. Majin Vegeta> ssj 2 Vegeta > ssj2 Gohan > SPC Wrong! SPC was said to be as strong as SSJ2 Kid Gohan if not stronger. Cell destroyed his arm with uncharged ki blast and Troiyama wanted Gohan to be harmed to show how powerful Cell was or for the drama so that doesn't mean Cell was weaker, if anything that proves Cell was even stronger. Cell said he had powered up like SSJ2 Gohan and proved it when he damaged him with uncharged ki blast. Cell was confident he can beat Gohan and was not afraid. Cell knows how strong Gohan was, he wouldn't been so calm if he was weaker. Gohan won since he released his inner powers. SSJ2 Kid Gohan (hidden powers)>SPC=SSJ2 KId Gohan. In the Anime SPC was stated to be even stronger. Wow your something else. There was nothing in the anime that states Cell was stronger. That Blast was mean for Vegeta which Gohan being the protector that he is got into the attack. Meaning if this ki blast where to have done a lot of damage you say would have meant Gohan would have revert back to a ssj from or base. The fact that it only hurt his arm means it really wasn't that hurtful of an attack. Gohan's confidence is what made him think that Cell was stronger. As we all have seen Gohan defeated Cell. The Anime states SPC was stronger. Watch the Japanses dub when Dende says "This time Gohan might not be able to do something". Later When Cell was about to use his Kamehameha Dende said "A terrible ki, I have never experienced a power like that" How is it possible if he already felt SSJ2 Gohan??? ;) Cell delivered a small ki blst and he barely charged it. Gohan beat Cell because he used his inner powers. That means SSJ2 Gohan (hidden powers)>SPC. That says nothing about the Gohan who fought Perfect Cell. Toei made SPC>SSJ2 Kid Gohan in the Anime. That's why they added fillers when everyone helps Gohan and it's not enough and laos added fillers when Gohan said he felt his father's ki with him and added the filler when Goku tells to Gohan to release his hidden powers and the Japanese dub showed he did it in the end. Watch the Japanese dub. In regards to your dende quote; spc charging his kamehameha might well be stronger than ss2 gohan since gohan never unleashed a full power kamehameha in his healthy state previously. Does not mean spc is flat out stronger, just that his ki momentarily rose above ss2 gohan (healthy but passive) Dende said when Cell first appeared. "This time Gohan might not be able to do anything" Anime states SPC was stronger. This is why Toei added fillers when everyone helps Gohan and when Goku tells Gohan to release his inner powers and Gohan also said in the Anime that he felt Goku's ki with him. quote Japanese anime Goku flat out says Gohan is "the strongest in the universe right now". SSJ2 Kid Gohan > SPC...but Cell is definitely close. Anyway, I give this fight to Cell, in a very close close fight. Vegeta is right up there with them, but Vegeta should still be a little bit weaker than SSJ2 Kid Gohan. There has to be a significant gap between pre and post Majin Vegeta, and post Majin Vegeta is only "As great, perhaps even greater" than kid Gohan stated by Piccolo. In the Japanese Manga Piccolo says Magin Vegeta is much tronger than SSJ2 KId Gohan. Also, Goku said that since Gohan with his inner powers and when he gets mad is the strongest in the universe. This is why he said so in the Buu Saga as well. Yet, SSJ2 Kid Gohan and SPC were equals and the Anime suggets Cell was stronger than the same Gohan who beat Perfect Cell.
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Mishimi Neo: Essential total posts: 12517 since: Sep 2008	May 28, 12 at 12:31am ^ re: Super Perfect Cell vs SSJ2 Vegeta
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G_O_G_E_T_A Vocare Ad Regnum (moderator) Dragonball total posts: 16156 since: May 2006	May 28, 12 at 3:46am ^ re: Super Perfect Cell vs SSJ2 Vegeta
	quote In the Japanese Manga Piccolo says Magin Vegeta is much tronger than SSJ2 KId Gohan. Also, Goku said that since Gohan with his inner powers and when he gets mad is the strongest in the universe. This is why he said so in the Buu Saga as well. Yet, SSJ2 Kid Gohan and SPC were equals and the Anime suggets Cell was stronger than the same Gohan who beat Perfect Cell. No, he doesn't. I already posted the quote about what was said yesterday. The gap between Vegeta and Gohan is so small that Piccolo cannot even be fully confident that Vegeta is stronger than Gohan at all.
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vegito1089 dangerous total posts: 197 since: Jan 2012	May 28, 12 at 4:15am ^ re: Super Perfect Cell vs SSJ2 Vegeta
	quote G_O_G_E_T_A quote In the Japanese Manga Piccolo says Magin Vegeta is much tronger than SSJ2 KId Gohan. Also, Goku said that since Gohan with his inner powers and when he gets mad is the strongest in the universe. This is why he said so in the Buu Saga as well. Yet, SSJ2 Kid Gohan and SPC were equals and the Anime suggets Cell was stronger than the same Gohan who beat Perfect Cell. No, he doesn't. I already posted the quote about what was said yesterday. The gap between Vegeta and Gohan is so small that Piccolo cannot even be fully confident that Vegeta is stronger than Gohan at all. And I showed you the post from the Japanese Manga when Piccolo says Majin Vegeta is as strong as Gohan when he fought Cel and then he corrected himself and said "much more even"
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G_O_G_E_T_A Vocare Ad Regnum (moderator) Dragonball total posts: 16156 since: May 2006	May 28, 12 at 4:22am ^ re: Super Perfect Cell vs SSJ2 Vegeta
	That correction isn't present in Herms' translation form some reason. Which is odd considering these translations were made to put together a "strength checker" for the entire manga to see how everything checks out in the original manga. Such a correction should therefore have been present, but it was not. So I'd like to know where that translation comes from.
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vegito1089 dangerous total posts: 197 since: Jan 2012	May 28, 12 at 4:44am ^ re: Super Perfect Cell vs SSJ2 Vegeta
	quote G_O_G_E_T_A That correction isn't present in Herms' translation form some reason. Which is odd considering these translations were made to put together a "strength checker" for the entire manga to see how everything checks out in the original manga. Such a correction should therefore have been present, but it was not. So I'd like to know where that translation comes from. Japanese and Dutch Manga.
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Victorious Hooked on Neo total posts: 4233 since: Jan 2011	May 28, 12 at 6:13am ^ re: Super Perfect Cell vs SSJ2 Vegeta
	quote In the Japanese Manga Piccolo says Magin Vegeta is much tronger than SSJ2 KId Gohan. No he doesn't, that's bullshit. quote Also, Goku said that since Gohan with his inner powers and when he gets mad is the strongest in the universe. This is why he said so in the Buu Saga as well. Yet, SSJ2 Kid Gohan and SPC were equals and the Anime suggets Cell was stronger than the same Gohan who beat Perfect Cell. In the manga, Cell says he's "powered up like Son Gohan" and that's it...what gives us the implication that Gohan is still marginally stronger than SPC is Goku saying Gohan can "win for sure" in a KHH struggle, and also later in the Buu saga no one mentions Cell's power when they sense SSJ2 Goku or Majin Vegeta, they compare those powers to Kid Gohan, suggesting Kid Gohan's ki was the greatest ever felt up to that point. And yes, Japanese anime Goku flat out says Gohan is the strongest fighter in the universe when speaking to through Kaio-sama. The anime in no way suggested Cell was stronger but the opposite. A direct statement from Goku saying Gohan is still the most powerful. ------------------- Victorious' fan made Dragon Ball Z Battle Power (Sentō-ryoku) list
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vegito1089 dangerous total posts: 197 since: Jan 2012	May 29, 12 at 2:35am ^ re: Super Perfect Cell vs SSJ2 Vegeta
	quote Victorious quote In the Japanese Manga Piccolo says Magin Vegeta is much tronger than SSJ2 KId Gohan. No he doesn't, that's bullshit. quote Also, Goku said that since Gohan with his inner powers and when he gets mad is the strongest in the universe. This is why he said so in the Buu Saga as well. Yet, SSJ2 Kid Gohan and SPC were equals and the Anime suggets Cell was stronger than the same Gohan who beat Perfect Cell. In the manga, Cell says he's "powered up like Son Gohan" and that's it...what gives us the implication that Gohan is still marginally stronger than SPC is Goku saying Gohan can "win for sure" in a KHH struggle, and also later in the Buu saga no one mentions Cell's power when they sense SSJ2 Goku or Majin Vegeta, they compare those powers to Kid Gohan, suggesting Kid Gohan's ki was the greatest ever felt up to that point. And yes, Japanese anime Goku flat out says Gohan is the strongest fighter in the universe when speaking to through Kaio-sama. The anime in no way suggested Cell was stronger but the opposite. A direct statement from Goku saying Gohan is still the most powerful. quote Victorious No he doesn't, that's bullshit. Yes he does. "W- What power!! Incredible, he's as powerful as gohan was vs cell. No, much more even!" quote Victorious In the manga, Cell says he's "powered up like Son Gohan" and that's it Good. So we have a clear admission of SPC=SSJ2 Kid Gohan. quote Victorious what gives us the implication that Gohan is still marginally stronger than SPC is Goku saying Gohan can "win for sure" in a KHH struggle Goku said Gohan can win but he counted his hidden powers to win. Gohan (hidden powers unlocked)>SPC, but it says nothing about Intial SSJ2 Kid Gohan. Goku even told Gohan in the Buu Saga of he gets mad like he did when he fougt Cell so he becomes the strongest in the universe so I guess SSJ2 Adult Gohan>SSJ2 Goku? ;) No, Goku just meant that if Gohan unlocked his hidden powers so he can beat Cell. Also, in the Anime Goku says "RIGHT NOW you are the strongest in the universe" which means Gohan with the injuried arm is the strongest since Goku said "right now" but we know SPC>>Injuried Gohan which once again proves my pint that Goku said Gohan is the strongest if he releases his hidden powers. He actually said so in the Anime. In the Anime Dende said "This time even Gohan might not be able to do anything" Later when Cell powers up to use his Kamehameha Dende said "A terrible ki. I have never felt something like that before" How can this be if Dende already felt SSJ2 Kid Gohan?? Can you search for the statements which I just mentioned just like you showed the picture of Goku when he says Gohan is the strongest??? I am pretty sure Toei used all of those fillers in favor of Cell like the Z Fighters's help and when Gohan states he felt his father's ki with him and when Goku tells Gohan to release his dormant powers and what also obviously happened in the end was since Toei wanted to show SPC>SSJ2 Kid Gohan. SPC might have been haxed IMO.
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Kaboom s-e-e-k-e-r total posts: 1745 since: Mar 2011	May 29, 12 at 6:15am ^ re: Super Perfect Cell vs SSJ2 Vegeta
	quote vegito1089 quote G_O_G_E_T_A That correction isn't present in Herms' translation form some reason. Which is odd considering these translations were made to put together a "strength checker" for the entire manga to see how everything checks out in the original manga. Such a correction should therefore have been present, but it was not. So I'd like to know where that translation comes from. Japanese and Dutch Manga. It must have been a minor embellishment on the part of whoever did the translations for the Dutch version. Viz does the same thing now and then with their English version.
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