quote Super Vegetto
Well going by daizenshuu its :
As a result, Gotenks leveled up so much that his strength surpassed Vegeta and the others. However, they were taken in by Buu, who had powered up by absorbing the good portion of himself.
It says that his strength surpassed Vegeta and the others, not that his strength surpassed Goku and the others.
there are also trolls who say ssj3 goku>mystic gohan and saying the daizenshuu claims gotenks surpassed magin veegta as a ssj3 it can easily refer to base gotenks since piccolo's amazemt about gotenks's power was when he saw his base form amd the fact that they said "they were taken in by buu" give super buu's credit since it sounds like they ost to buu and only base and ssj gotenks lost
quote G_O_G_E_T_A
quote Super Vegetto
Well going by daizenshuu its :
As a result, Gotenks leveled up so much that his strength surpassed Vegeta and the others. However, they were taken in by Buu, who had powered up by absorbing the good portion of himself.
It says that his strength surpassed Vegeta and the others, not that his strength surpassed Goku and the others.
So he didn't surpass Super Saiyan 3 Goku? I think the manga would disagree with that. It's probably best to use the manga as the leading source of evidence in a debate, not the Daiz.
Daiz sucks ass.
In Gohans Bio it states that Gohan didnt use SSJ 2 after Volume 37 (I believe its that one) which is the end of the bodokai, and hasnt yeat shown the fight with dabura.
Dabura's Bio states Gohan was SSJ 2.
Another is that it states Recoome killed Gohan... But thats kinda obviously NOT TRUE.
And that recoome's attack was meant to take out all three of them (Veggie , gohan , and Krillin) but was only aimed at Vegeta.
There are more, and Ill add them shortly, but I would like to confirm my research. Stay tuned.
EDIT: Here we go This is all I feel Like searching through for now. But there are a handful of more.
*Daizenshuu 1 has a pic of 3rd form Freeza, but states it as 2nd Form.
*Daizenshuu 2 States SSJ Vegeta appeared in Volume 32 when it was actually 29
" States Kaioshin appeared in Volume 39 when it was 37.
" Misses some battles, that may not be considered battles, but includes things like Goku V Fish... Soooo
*Daizenshuu 4 states Buu used Goku's Instant Transmission, but it was actually Shin Konido which is Kaioshin's type of teleportation.
*Daizenshuu 7 Tenshinhan's profile lists one of his battles was against no.19, while it actually was against no.17
" 17 uses Kienzan
" Goten was born while Goku fought cell
" Goku's first KHH was used on Tenshinhan, but it was actually Jackie Chun he used it on
" Bra born in 780 in one part of the book, and then later stated to be born in 778.
" The timeline has other errors. Like Yamcha meet, and defeat, and so on.
" Its states Goku stayed dead longer than a year for the saiyans, but he was only dead for a little over 11.
Also dont forget that over the official PL lists from V-Jump, SEG and so on, there are some literaly factual errors, like Piccolo Diamao's 260, despite tenshinhan being 250 at the start of Z and the fact that Weighted Goku from Piccolo Jr being > Piccolo D and Tein being on par with that goku
The list goes on.
However there are points supporting Gohan>Gotenks>>Goku
Daizenshuu 2- Story Guide. Growing Up
Dormant power that knows no bottom, even though he was trained from infancy.
Gohan is an elite who easily handled the training he was put through since the age of four in order to fight enormous enemies. As a Saiyan and Earthling half-breed, Gohan possesses dormant power that surpasses that of a Saiyan. While by nature he has a calm personality and isn't interested in fighting, when he loses his reason his true power explodes.
quote Daizenshuu 2- Story Guide. Growing Up
MIGHTIEST WARRIOR
First Appears: Vol. 41
In order to defeat Majin Buu, he had his dormant power drawn out by the Elder Kaioshin. Even without becoming a Super Saiyan, he has power surpassing Gotenks.
That is a flat out Mightiest Warrior Gohan>>Pure blooded Saiyan, and thus Mightiest Warrior Gohan>>SSjin3 Goku statement.
Not only that, it appears as if this is implying that Gotenks was the next strongest fighter after Gohan.
Furthermore evidence from the Daizenshuu suggesting Gotenks>Goku;
quote Daizenshuu 2- Story Guide. Growing Up
Like Gohan and Goten, being half Saiyan and half Earthling, his dormant power is high.
quote Daizenshuu 2- Story Guide. Growing Up
As a Saiyan and Earthling half-breed, Gohan possesses dormant power that surpasses that of a Saiyan.
This all implies that the half-breeds have more hidden power/dormant ability than the pure bloods.
Now this is how the Daizenshuu describes SSjin3;
quote Daizenshuu 7- Dragonball Encyclopedia. Special Attack Dictionary
The strongest form of Super Saiyan, which draws the hidden power of a Saiyan out to its limits.
So once again that means at the very least SSjin3 Gotenks>SSjin3 Goku.
Gohan>Gotenks>>Goku is uncontradicted manga fact which is backed up by the Daizenshuu and statements/feats in the manga.
Simple as that.
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