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Piccolo not-such-a-newbie total posts: 43 since: Jul 2012	Jul 27, 12 at 7:49am ^ re: General Broly Debate Thread 2
	Log in to remove this advertisement quote rahully2j quote Piccolo quote rahully2j quote Piccolo quote rahully2j quote Piccolo Hey, I know you. You are from YouTube right? Why are you insulting yourself there??? Also, I think you are wrong about many things you just told to Prince Of Saiyans. Really? Go ahead and prove those things wrong. Your posts sounds familiar compared to the last 4 guys who were banned. All I have to find guess is who you resembled the most. I wouldn't bother. I am tired of all these Broly debates. Just check out in the internet and you will see enough facts which prove it. Who do I resemble? Why would I go to youtube where most of the guys know jackshit? All those 4 newboobs who got banned came from youtube. About not bothering. More like you've absolutely nothing to prove except spewing bullshit or making excuses. No? Even vic was tired of debating against these guys. Who are "these guys"? I never mentioned YouTube. When I said the internet, I meant another forums and overall. I said I wouldn't bother because I have already rested my case and because movies make no snese so it's really stupid to go into them. Go on Google and look for information and you will see. If I have nothing to say so most of the people would still believe in the hax and the rest bullshit of DBZ. Also, calm down dude. You don't need to get angry. It's just a cartoon show, ya know. You haven't really rested any case here. The whole point was you claimed in your post that whatever I replied to prince is wrong. Burden of proof lies on someone who claims and you didn't back yourself up. Now, you're saying I won't bother anymore? I'm sorry, but you're destroying your credibility. That's why I said you're making excuses. I don't see how I'm angry? lol. Your writing looked kinda angry. I have rested my case before and I just said I THINK you are wrong because we can just throw fan theories since it's a movie. Movies make no sense and I stopped arguing about movies a long time ago. You can think whaever you want but in the end, these are just assumptions.
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rahully2j BLADE s-e-e-k-e-r total posts: 1933 since: May 2011	Jul 27, 12 at 7:52am ^ re: General Broly Debate Thread 2
	quote Piccolo Your writing looked kinda angry. I have rested my case before and I just said I THINK you are wrong because we can just throw fan theories since it's a movie. Movies make no sense and I stopped arguing about movies a long time ago. You can think whaever you want but in the end, these are just assumptions. Ohhk. I usually write like this when I actually debating, but fair enough. I'm tired of broly debates as well. And you're wrong on that assumptions part. I have provided evidence in my 1st post and if you insist I can go on. Other than that I'm all good.
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nasty nappa living in a dream as usual true seeker total posts: 1029 since: Jan 2007	Jul 27, 12 at 7:57am ^ re: General Broly Debate Thread 2
	i think cell would beat broly due to his regeneration ability also buu and janemba would crush him and anything gt ------------------- im giving birth to my own friends lol
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Piccolo not-such-a-newbie total posts: 43 since: Jul 2012	Jul 27, 12 at 8:02am ^ re: General Broly Debate Thread 2
	quote rahully2j quote Piccolo Your writing looked kinda angry. I have rested my case before and I just said I THINK you are wrong because we can just throw fan theories since it's a movie. Movies make no sense and I stopped arguing about movies a long time ago. You can think whaever you want but in the end, these are just assumptions. Ohhk. I usually write like this when I actually debating, but fair enough. I'm tired of broly debates as well. And you're wrong on that assumptions part. I have provided evidence in my 1st post and if you insist I can go on. Other than that I'm all good. Look man, everyone can interpret the statements in the movies as he wants to. This is why I am saying these are just assumptions. I know the whole argument about Gohan being haxed in movie 10 and I used to think so, but I have already saw enough evidence which debunk the people who think he was haxed and this is why most of the fans in this site have stopped believe in these things. This is why I said it's stupid to argue about the movies. Everyone has his own points of view and his own opinions. Arguing about movies or Toei's logic in the Anime is just madness and this is why I prefer talking about the Manga which makes sense. quote nasty nappa i think cell would beat broly due to his regeneration ability also buu and janemba would crush him and anything gt These are assumptions. Fat Janemba >> LSSJ Broly. That is a fact though.
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super michael feel the power of the Millennium Items Hooked on Neo total posts: 4195 since: May 2005	Jul 27, 12 at 8:10am ^ re: General Broly Debate Thread 2
	I believe that movie 10 gohan is strong than movie 8 gohan, but weaker than cell game gohan. In movie 8 I place the saiyans at the perfect cell saga not the cell games since here is why movie 8 gohan < movie 8 goku = while cell game gohan is stronger Now here is my chain for movie 10 only LSSJ broly > SSJ2 gohan >> SSJ1 gohan >> SSJ1 broly > base gohan now a combined movie 8 and movie 10 with cell game SSJ2 goku buu saga = SSJ2 majin vegeta buu saga > Super perfect cell >=< SSJ2 kid gohan cell games > LSSJ broly movie 10 > SSJ2 teen gohan > SSJ1 goku buu saga = SSJ1 vegeta buu saga > SSJ gohan movie 10 > base goku buu saga = base vegeta buu saga > SSJ1 broly movie 10 > base gohan. MSSJ goku couldn't do anything to broly RSSJ in movie 8, while in movie 10 gohan in base could fight broly and do damage to broly. So gohan movie 10 > gohan movie 8 but gohan movie 10 < cell game gohan ------------------- super smash bros brawl friend code, 4554-1399-8625 mike.
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nasty nappa living in a dream as usual true seeker total posts: 1029 since: Jan 2007	Jul 27, 12 at 8:10am ^ re: General Broly Debate Thread 2
	pikkon and dabura could beat broly easy also hyatchiyak would slaughter broly and gotenks ulitimate gohan gogeta vegito kid buu fat buu thin buu super buu omega shenron bojack super 17 babi vegeta teen gohan even even majin vegeta all could crush broly infact he is even weaker then bio broly his own clone lol ------------------- im giving birth to my own friends lol
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Piccolo not-such-a-newbie total posts: 43 since: Jul 2012	Jul 27, 12 at 8:16am ^ re: General Broly Debate Thread 2
	quote super michael I believe that movie 10 gohan is strong than movie 8 gohan, but weaker than cell game gohan. In movie 8 I place the saiyans at the perfect cell saga not the cell games since here is why movie 8 gohan < movie 8 goku = while cell game gohan is stronger Now here is my chain for movie 10 only LSSJ broly > SSJ2 gohan >> SSJ1 gohan >> SSJ1 broly > base gohan now a combined movie 8 and movie 10 with cell game SSJ2 goku buu saga = SSJ2 majin vegeta buu saga > Super perfect cell >=< SSJ2 kid gohan cell games > LSSJ broly movie 10 > SSJ2 teen gohan > SSJ1 goku buu saga = SSJ1 vegeta buu saga > SSJ gohan movie 10 > base goku buu saga = base vegeta buu saga > SSJ1 broly movie 10 > base gohan. MSSJ goku couldn't do anything to broly RSSJ in movie 8, while in movie 10 gohan in base could fight broly and do damage to broly. So gohan movie 10 > gohan movie 8 but gohan movie 10 < cell game gohan I saw enough evidence so yeah. If you say Movie 8 is not Cell Games so how come Goku is MSSJ? Movie 10 LSSJ Broly is at least somewhat above SPC. He is not weaker at all.
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nasty nappa living in a dream as usual true seeker total posts: 1029 since: Jan 2007	Jul 27, 12 at 8:19am ^ re: General Broly Debate Thread 2
	broly in movie ten was rubbish he had a fight with weak untrained gohan then got blastted into space by three super saiyans and killed ------------------- im giving birth to my own friends lol
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Piccolo not-such-a-newbie total posts: 43 since: Jul 2012	Jul 27, 12 at 8:32am ^ re: General Broly Debate Thread 2
	quote nasty nappa broly in movie ten was rubbish he had a fight with weak untrained gohan then got blastted into space by three super saiyans and killed So you don't think Gohan was haxed?
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I054martinm newseeker total posts: 14 since: Jul 2012	Jul 27, 12 at 8:51am ^ re: General Broly Debate Thread 2
	quote rahully2j quote Where does it state that the multipler is bigger from him going from SSJ to LSSJ is bigger than a saiyan going from base to SSJ2? Going by feats - Gohan is close to ssj broly who in turn is > mssj goku (buu arc). On top of that lssj broly hammers his ssj2 form in 3 hits. quote He beat a SSJ2 teen gohan who has massively weaker then his kid counterpart and goku and vegeta. I refuse to have him above SSJ2 goku/vegeta much less SSJ3 goku. Again. I'm not gonna repeat again and again. Watch the movie carefully and follow the character statements. May be you're new here, but saying I refuse to believe this and that will only downplay your credibility. If you don't want to believe that's fine, but it doesn't automatically make it a fact. You say gohan was massively weaker which I just debunked earlier (read my last post). You probably didn't pay attention or maybe you can provide some evidence which proves he was weaker. Wrong. How is Broly so powerful when he was beaten by weak opponents three times?
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super michael feel the power of the Millennium Items Hooked on Neo total posts: 4195 since: May 2005	Jul 27, 12 at 3:22pm ^ re: General Broly Debate Thread 2
	quote Piccolo quote super michael I believe that movie 10 gohan is strong than movie 8 gohan, but weaker than cell game gohan. In movie 8 I place the saiyans at the perfect cell saga not the cell games since here is why movie 8 gohan < movie 8 goku = while cell game gohan is stronger Now here is my chain for movie 10 only LSSJ broly > SSJ2 gohan >> SSJ1 gohan >> SSJ1 broly > base gohan now a combined movie 8 and movie 10 with cell game SSJ2 goku buu saga = SSJ2 majin vegeta buu saga > Super perfect cell >=< SSJ2 kid gohan cell games > LSSJ broly movie 10 > SSJ2 teen gohan > SSJ1 goku buu saga = SSJ1 vegeta buu saga > SSJ gohan movie 10 > base goku buu saga = base vegeta buu saga > SSJ1 broly movie 10 > base gohan. MSSJ goku couldn't do anything to broly RSSJ in movie 8, while in movie 10 gohan in base could fight broly and do damage to broly. So gohan movie 10 > gohan movie 8 but gohan movie 10 < cell game gohan I saw enough evidence so yeah. If you say Movie 8 is not Cell Games so how come Goku is MSSJ? Movie 10 LSSJ Broly is at least somewhat above SPC. He is not weaker at all. Ok explain how base gohan in movie 10 did so much better than movie 8 goku SSJ? The answer is simple, movie 8 fighters are not from cell games, since gohan didn't powered up from cell games to buu saga, he got weaker. In movie 10 base gohan is way stronger than movie 8 SSJ goku, but gohan didn't power up from cell games to buu saga. Goku powered up a bit from cell games to buu saga, but yet gohan got a major power upgrade from movie 8 to movie 10 when gohan in buu saga didn't power up which lead gohan in movie 8 not being cell games. I don't believe anyone was haxed in movie 10, I believe that in movie 8 the z fighters were under powered especially gohan. ------------------- super smash bros brawl friend code, 4554-1399-8625 mike.
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CrimsonStardustAngel just getting started! total posts: 113 since: Nov 2011	Jul 27, 12 at 4:12pm ^ re: General Broly Debate Thread 2
	Gohan was NOT massively weaker than his cell games counter part. what most likely happened is that he didn't get weaker at all but vegeta and goku just SURPASSED HIM.Stated by piccolo that Pod vegeta>ssj2 kid gohan and podvegata was blatanly shown equal to ssj2 goku.. And due to gohan being an adult now, he couldn't access his rage boost as much as he was able to when he was younger due to him being more mature. IMO. And besides even if he WAS weaker it was not massive.It was About %10-%15 making those two a good thirty percent more powerful than buu saga gohan. But the thing is a thirty percent difference mean's nothing in the buu saga seeing as how ssj1 gohan was equal to perfect cell power.(i do not believe dabura is as power as spc.) And as we could see from movie10 Gohan DID get a rage boost when he went ssj2. He was pissed off due to his little brother/ little brother's friend AND girlfriend getting put dangerously close to death's door. So let me ask you this If YOU were in that situation. Would you rage? I know i would.
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Prince Of Sayians NFK. Resident Neo total posts: 3002 since: Jun 2007	Jul 27, 12 at 4:17pm ^ re: General Broly Debate Thread 2
	quote rahully2j quote Where does it state that the multipler is bigger from him going from SSJ to LSSJ is bigger than a saiyan going from base to SSJ2? Going by feats - Gohan is close to ssj broly who in turn is > mssj goku (buu arc). On top of that lssj broly hammers his ssj2 form in 3 hits. quote He beat a SSJ2 teen gohan who has massively weaker then his kid counterpart and goku and vegeta. I refuse to have him above SSJ2 goku/vegeta much less SSJ3 goku. Again. I'm not gonna repeat again and again. Watch the movie carefully and follow the character statements. May be you're new here, but saying I refuse to believe this and that will only downplay your credibility. If you don't want to believe that's fine, but it doesn't automatically make it a fact. You say gohan was massively weaker which I just debunked earlier (read my last post). You probably didn't pay attention or maybe you can provide some evidence which proves he was weaker. I'm not gonna make up a separate time line for the broly movies and I honestly believe it was still the same gohan who didn't train at all in the seven years and became significantly weaker. Where does it state anywhere that SSJ broly > MSSJ Goku (Buu arc)? I don't honestly believe that either. He was stronger than a SSJ2 Teen Gohan who was weaker then Goku and Vegeta and his kid counterpart by a significant amount. Okay, I just don't wanna believe it, not that I'm saying it's fact, just as yours is not facts either, you're speculating that he's stronger then Goku and Vegeta when he beat a weak SSJ2 Gohan. Oh, by the way I'm no where near new here, I've been around here for years. It's just how I have broly, I'm not gonna say you're wrong either though, believe what you want and I'll have broly where I have him, simple as that. I personally don't have gohan haxed either, he's the same mange counterpart that got weak as shit compared to vegeta and goku. ------------------- VBHC.
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super michael feel the power of the Millennium Items Hooked on Neo total posts: 4195 since: May 2005	Jul 27, 12 at 4:19pm ^ re: General Broly Debate Thread 2
	My argument isn't that gohan in buu saga is weaker than cell games, it could only be a little bit, but that gohan made a huge gain from movie 8 to movie 10. I would be in rage if I was in the same situation as gohan in movie 10, but it doesn't make sense that dabura was holding piccolo life but gohan didn't get any rage. ------------------- super smash bros brawl friend code, 4554-1399-8625 mike.
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rahully2j BLADE s-e-e-k-e-r total posts: 1933 since: May 2011	Jul 27, 12 at 9:39pm ^ re: General Broly Debate Thread 2
	quote Prince Of Sayians Where does it state anywhere that SSJ broly > MSSJ Goku (Buu arc)? Daiz 6 flat out states - ssj broly > mssj goku (buu arc). quote I don't honestly believe that either. He was stronger than a SSJ2 Teen Gohan who was weaker then Goku and Vegeta and his kid counterpart by a significant amount. Then you say you know everything? You're refuting everything stated in the movie. Gohan flat out states he has powered up considerably since back then in his base form. What it means that he trained those 7 years. quote Okay, I just don't wanna believe it, not that I'm saying it's fact, just as yours is not facts either, you're speculating that he's stronger then Goku and Vegeta when he beat a weak SSJ2 Gohan. I don't speculate. Either I state facts or say "no evidence". You need to watch the movie and read Japanese power statements to understand what's going on. Simply watching the action won't give you an insight. quote I personally don't have gohan haxed either, he's the same mange counterpart that got weak as shit compared to vegeta and goku. Without hax broly is highest ssj2 tier. With hax he is beyond the leagues of ssj3 goku. I'm not gonna talk about the latter here. And like I said provide some evidence to refute my claim, because I have actual character statements backing me up.
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