FAT Janemba vs Hirudegarn

Obviously if full-power, combined, bug-transformed Hildergarn could so relatively easily take out the likes of SSj3 Gotenks or Ultimate Gohan, then he'd be more powerful than Janemba, whose ass SSj3 Goku could so soundly kick. And just like for Goku, I think the raw force he'd be packing would let him overcome any of Janemba's tricks.

Hildergarn's other forms are a bit more up in the air. At the very least, his split top and bottom halves would probably get killed.

hirudegarn can manipulate ki, he just doesn't launch ki wave blasts if that's what you meant.

but yeah, final form hirude would slaughter...

but it's weird how easily he put gotenks and gohan down yet goku took his punches no problem in ssj3. what's that all about? i've heard theories that goku made him lose focus with anger, thus he lost power in his punches. that's retarded imo.

i think goku mastered ssj3 in that movie, seems more likely. ssj3 goku > chou gohan.

that's irrelevant though as far as an in universe explanation goes.

but yes, per an author explanation that is true. good to see you using those now and not seeing it as a cop out.

quote KaijuKai

Tell me what ya think? ONLY fat, fatty-fat Janemba, and any form of hirudegarn, dirty skull thing, or flying bug version. GO.

Fat Janemba doesnt have regenaration. Hirudegarn stomps in first form.

quote Mishimi

who says he doesn't? I don't recall him losing a limb and not regenerating/morphing.

Well SSJ3 Goku pretty much left his "body fat" which he could use for regenaration but he didnt. Funny thing is that they used same thing in movie 12,13. Villian is defeated but then he transforms like wtf how did that happend ?

quote Kaboom

Obviously if full-power, combined, bug-transformed Hildergarn could so relatively easily take out the likes of SSj3 Gotenks or Ultimate Gohan, then he'd be more powerful than Janemba, whose ass SSj3 Goku could so soundly kick. And just like for Goku, I think the raw force he'd be packing would let him overcome any of Janemba's tricks.

Hildergarn's other forms are a bit more up in the air. At the very least, his split top and bottom halves would probably get killed.

This. It seems quite likely that even Hirudegarn's first form could beat down Janemba to me, as he took on Ultimate Gohan as well. But it's not a for sure thing. All out Hirudegarn would probably tank everything Janemba has.

And also, this would be one of the coolest looking fights ever, with giant monsters destroying west city or something.

id say there equal maybe hirudegarn is stronger

i always believed that movie 13 just followed the fillers in buu saga as that has shown ssj2 goku being already stronger then ssj3 gotenks and ultimate gohan and kid buu being 2x stronger then super buu.

toei made fillers and toei made movie 13

movie 12 is 50/50. depends if goku beat broly in hell without going ssj3 which i doubt. but he could have vs base or ssj broly as there is no one in hell to push broly to lssj. ssj broly is already = with his lssj self in movie 8 which mean his stronger then spc.

also depends on the timeline of movie 12.