Lssj3 broly vs Buuhan vs super janemba vs base vegito - Page 8

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SSJ Vegito>>>Buuhan>>>Base Vegito.

Impressive; especially the thoughts behind it.

Buuhan: "You are still no match for me"

SSJ Vegito>Buuhan>Base Vegito.

Veggeto in base fighting buuhan was filler. Even in the anime he was slight a head of buuhan. It didn't take much from Veggeto to beat buu in base. Buu didn't want to admit he was out done. In the manga Veggeto goes ssj and doesn't fight in him base. Either way you look at it ssj veggeto > base veggeto > buuhan.

Super Saiyan Vegito was required to actually finish Buuhan off had that been Vegito's intention, or to completely control the battle. Personally, I have no issues with Vegito's base form being strong enough to bash Buuhan around, it doesn't cause any serious problems. He just can't fully control the fight, nor kill Buuhan that way.

At least, that has always been my stance on the matter. But it's a controversial thing for sure.

Base Vegito was o match for Buuhan in the Manga and was also weaker in the Anime.

Buuhan: "You are still no match for me"

I'll never understand why people are so keen on trusting a villain on his word, whilst there are countless examples that these villains were in fact no match for their adversaries. Frieza, Cell, they both went down to their opponents even though they thought they were stronger. If Buuhan was actually stronger than Vegito's base state, he would have taken him out, simple as that. Super Buu (whatever incarnation you like) has stated, perhaps multiple times even, that he cannot and will not allow anyone stronger than him to exist, so why let Vegito get away with beating the crud out of him then? Doesn't make any sense to me. If Buuhan could have done something about Vegito overpowering him, he would have done it. In fact he tried, with that eons of destruction ki ball, but he failed.

In can understand why you argue that manga Vegito needs Super Saiyan to gain the upperhand on Buuhan, as he transformed right off the bat, but the anime is a different matter; like it or hate it. Vegito's base form has the edge on Buuhan in terms of raw power, albeit slightly, but certainly not to the extent that he was completely invulnerable.

Buuhan was holding back on Base Vegito IMO. Remember when Buuhan got mad and broke dimensions in the Anime?? SSJ Vegito was shown pretty struggling. Buuhan>Base Vegito is a fact. Saiyan Base Vegito>Buuhan is like saiyan Kid Buu=SSJ2 Goku since they were even. It's a filler. You shouldn't take it seriously. In the Anime you just can't transform immidietly since it wouldn't been dramatic. Buuhan knew he was above Base Vegito, this is why he went SSJ.

SSJ Vegito>>Buuhan>>Base Vegito.

I would say that Lssj3 Brolly easily destroys janemba...If it weren't for janembas (imo) Godlike ability's. So in terms of power Lssj3>>>Janemba(I have lssj3 brolly around buutenks or ultimate gohan) But in terms of ability's/Skill's Janemba>>>>>>>Lssj3 brolly....I mean COME ON Janemba can warp Brolly's Lssj3 Omega blaster right back at him and kill him for all i know(if brolly dosen't use Unlimited Ki shield atleast,Ignore the name please ,.) So to tell the truth i can't tell who will win..But i will put my money on brolly IMO.

quote CrimsonStardustAngel

I would say that Lssj3 Brolly easily destroys janemba...If it weren't for janembas (imo) Godlike ability's. So in terms of power Lssj3>>>Janemba(I have lssj3 brolly around buutenks or ultimate gohan) But in terms of ability's/Skill's Janemba>>>>>>>Lssj3 brolly....I mean COME ON Janemba can warp Brolly's Lssj3 Omega blaster right back at him and kill him for all i know(if brolly dosen't use Unlimited Ki shield atleast,Ignore the name please ,.) So to tell the truth i can't tell who will win..But i will put my money on brolly IMO.

Mystic Gohan>>>SSJ3 Broly.

LSSJ Broly is his SSJ2 version so SSJ3 Broly=4x SSJ2. I have SSJ2 Goku>LSSJ Broly so I have SSJ3 Goku>SSJ3 Broly.

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quote vegito1089

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I would say that Lssj3 Brolly easily destroys janemba...If it weren't for janembas (imo) Godlike ability's. So in terms of power Lssj3>>>Janemba(I have lssj3 brolly around buutenks or ultimate gohan) But in terms of ability's/Skill's Janemba>>>>>>>Lssj3 brolly....I mean COME ON Janemba can warp Brolly's Lssj3 Omega blaster right back at him and kill him for all i know(if brolly dosen't use Unlimited Ki shield atleast,Ignore the name please ,.) So to tell the truth i can't tell who will win..But i will put my money on brolly IMO.

Mystic Gohan>>>SSJ3 Broly.

LSSJ Broly is his SSJ2 version so SSJ3 Broly=4x SSJ2. I have SSJ2 Goku>LSSJ Broly so I have SSJ3 Goku>SSJ3 Broly.

Your kinda wrong on that. Ssj broly movie 10 is stated to be stronger than mssj goku By TOEI themselves.

So that means if broly had you basic ssj3 he would be as powerful(IMO) as....Ssj2 gotenks.

So that Also means Lssj Broly>>Ssj2 goku/vegeta/Gohan.

Casually owning a ssj2 in 3 hits is not really possible for some else who is ssj2 level...So Broly Lssj in movie ten is basically fat Buu.

Movie 10 broly is nowhere near Fat Buu. Piccol said SSJ2 Gohan, Vegeta and Goku ganging up on Fat Buu,they still can't beat him since he is too strong. If anything Broly is Good Buu's level at best. Besides Gohan was able to inflict some damage to Broly. Broly was shown angry when he grabbed Gohan and Gohan was able to release himself from his grip. SPC would destroy SSJ2 Adult Gohan as well. SSJ2 Adult Gohan can't scratch Fat Buu, not even Good Buu IMO.Toei never said SSJ Broly>SSJ Goku, if you mean to the Daiz so it's full of errors and also says SSJ Gohan=SSJ Goten.
Even if SSJ Broly>SSJ Goku so the diffrence can't be huge which once again proves my point Broly is at best Good Buu's level. Goku said Fat Janemba is the strongest ki he had ever felt and Fat Janemba is probably somewhat stronger than the Fat Buu who Goku fought.

I put SSJ2 Goku>Movie 10 LSSJ Broly>=SPC.

Even if Broly is Good Buu's level, he is still way weaker than Mystic Gohan. SSJ3 Broly=4x LSSJ Broly. If LSSJ Broly would be Good Buu's level so he would be stronger than SSJ3 Goku and SSJ Gotenks but weaker than SSJ2 Gotenks. I personally put Movie 10 LSSJ Broly somewhat stronger than SPC and weaker than SSJ2 Goku. SSJ2 Goku beat him in Hell so yeah.

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I would say that Lssj3 Brolly easily destroys janemba...If it weren't for janembas (imo) Godlike ability's. So in terms of power Lssj3>>>Janemba(I have lssj3 brolly around buutenks or ultimate gohan) But in terms of ability's/Skill's Janemba>>>>>>>Lssj3 brolly....I mean COME ON Janemba can warp Brolly's Lssj3 Omega blaster right back at him and kill him for all i know(if brolly dosen't use Unlimited Ki shield atleast,Ignore the name please ,.) So to tell the truth i can't tell who will win..But i will put my money on brolly IMO.

Mystic Gohan>>>SSJ3 Broly.

LSSJ Broly is his SSJ2 version so SSJ3 Broly=4x SSJ2. I have SSJ2 Goku>LSSJ Broly so I have SSJ3 Goku>SSJ3 Broly.

Your kinda wrong on that. Ssj broly movie 10 is stated to be stronger than mssj goku By TOEI themselves.

So that means if broly had you basic ssj3 he would be as powerful(IMO) as....Ssj2 gotenks.

So that Also means Lssj Broly>>Ssj2 goku/vegeta/Gohan.

Casually owning a ssj2 in 3 hits is not really possible for some else who is ssj2 level...So Broly Lssj in movie ten is basically fat Buu.

Movie 10 broly is nowhere near Fat Buu. Piccol said SSJ2 Gohan, Vegeta and Goku ganging up on Fat Buu,they still can't beat him since he is too strong. If anything Broly is Good Buu's level at best. Besides Gohan was able to inflict some damage to Broly. Broly was shown angry when he grabbed Gohan and Gohan was able to release himself from his grip. SPC would destroy SSJ2 Adult Gohan as well. SSJ2 Adult Gohan can't scratch Fat Buu, not even Good Buu IMO.Toei never said SSJ Broly>SSJ Goku, if you mean to the Daiz so it's full of errors and also says SSJ Gohan=SSJ Goten.
Even if SSJ Broly>SSJ Goku so the diffrence can't be huge which once again proves my point Broly is at best Good Buu's level. Goku said Fat Janemba is the strongest ki he had ever felt and Fat Janemba is probably somewhat stronger than the Fat Buu who Goku fought.

I put SSJ2 Goku>Movie 10 LSSJ Broly>=SPC.

Even if Broly is Good Buu's level, he is still way weaker than Mystic Gohan. SSJ3 Broly=4x LSSJ Broly. If LSSJ Broly would be Good Buu's level so he would be stronger than SSJ3 Goku and SSJ Gotenks but weaker than SSJ2 Gotenks. I personally put Movie 10 LSSJ Broly somewhat stronger than SPC and weaker than SSJ2 Goku. SSJ2 Goku beat him in Hell so yeah.

Toei never said Brolly ssj1 is stronger than Goku....WHAT!?!?!?!

Sir here is the link right here: http://www.kanzentai.com/trans-daiz06.php?m=13&id=dbz10#link


No go through that,Comeback and tell me that toei did not say something on the lines of this:

Brolly Super Saiyan
He transforms into a Super Saiyan, just like Goku and the others. Because he possessed high battle ability from birth, he is the owner of power that surpasses Goku's.

"so he would be stronger than ssj1 gotenks and ssj3 goku but weaker than ssj2 gotenks"
^ For regular ssj3 I can agree with that. But the only reason i say this is becuase what if he went lssj While ssj3.=MAJOR threat. Thats why i have LSS3 Brolly so high.

It's been proven that brolly is either good buu or Fatbuu level by a guy named Necifex.

Oh yeah and Daizex has fused(No, they LITERALLY FUSED) With kanzentai to make kanzehsuu. That is probably the perfect dragonball website out there...LOOK!: http://www.kanzenshuu.com/


And Daizenshuu is only flawed when it comes to the manga...Not the anime or movies...But that is why there is kanzentai for gods sake.....

Didn't you read what I said???? I know the Daiz says so but the Daiz is full of errors. It also ays SSJ Goten=SSJ Gohan, I guess it's true? Even if he is, that proves my point that Broly is at best Good Buu's level. Also why do you bother to show me the Daizenshuu if I already said I knew it but said the Daiz is full of errors.

There is no LSSJ3. LSSJ Broly is just the title of the movie and his LSSJ form is his SSJ2 version as well. SSJ3 Broly=4x LSSJ Broly.

No it was not. Necifex didn't really prove it. He just said his opinions and how can he prove it if even SPC can beat Adult Gohan?? Broly is at best Good Buu's level, NOT Fat Buu. Fat Janemba is the strongest ki goku had felt and Fat Janemba is probably somewhat above the Fat Buu who Goku fought. Besides, Piccolo said SSJ2 Goku, Vegeta and Goku can't beat Fat Buu even if they gang on him. Fat Buu>Broly. Broly is at best Good Buu's level whic I also disagree since Broly was beaten by SSJ2 Adult Gohan+SSJ Goten.

Daizex is a fan site. Really?? It's only wrong about Manga and not about movies??? Daiz says Movie 3 took place after Goku arrived on Namek even though it took place during Goku's training in the spaceship. Daiz says movie 6 takes place after Cell announced the Cell Games however it took place during their fight vs Androids 19 and 20. Daizenshuu is full of errors even in the movies. The funny part is the Toei showed in the end of movie 11 that Goku goes to Hell to beat Broly and Goku only had his SSJ2 form at that time since SSJ3 didn't exist. So Toei wanted to show SSJ2 Goku>Broly.

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quote vegito1089

Buuhan was holding back on Base Vegito IMO. Remember when Buuhan got mad and broke dimensions in the Anime?? SSJ Vegito was shown pretty struggling. Buuhan>Base Vegito is a fact. Saiyan Base Vegito>Buuhan is like saiyan Kid Buu=SSJ2 Goku since they were even. It's a filler. You shouldn't take it seriously. In the Anime you just can't transform immidietly since it wouldn't been dramatic. Buuhan knew he was above Base Vegito, this is why he went SSJ.

SSJ Vegito>>Buuhan>>Base Vegito.

Yeah I remember that, but you have to understand that attempting to destroy the entire universe, which was suggested to happen had Vegito not intervened, was Buu's ultimate move of desperation. Super Vegito was that much more powerful than him. He could do nothing, whereas against Vegito's base state, he could actually land some punches/kicks, catch Vegito off-guard et cetera, a completely different ball game. Surely you didn't expect Buuhan to bring down the entire universe right off the bat, after having his face smashed in once or twice by a slightly more powerful adversary, did you?

And Buuhan > base Vegito is hardly a fact, but an opinion instead. If it were a fact, I would not be able to argue against it, nor would anybody else, but you can argue against it. Buuhan stated that base Vegito was no match for him, which is all nice and well, but Vegito said he was more powerful than Buuhan too, and based on their fight; if any of the two had any right of speaking, it would be Vegito. Not to mention that Vegito was stated to be stronger by the two Kaioshin, who were following the fight.

Vegito never said his base form was above Buuhan and the Kais never said so as well. Vegito 's answer was becoming a SSJ which means his base form was not enough. Listen, Mang and Anime sent the same message about Vegito's fight but Vegito started his fight in base in the Anime since it wouldn't beem dramatic for him to go SSJ immidietly in the Anime. Buuhan was shown mad in the Anime when he broke dimmensions and SSJ Vegito had to be serious so Buuhan>Base Vegito.

quote SgtMartin

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quote vegito1089

Buuhan was holding back on Base Vegito IMO. Remember when Buuhan got mad and broke dimensions in the Anime?? SSJ Vegito was shown pretty struggling. Buuhan>Base Vegito is a fact. Saiyan Base Vegito>Buuhan is like saiyan Kid Buu=SSJ2 Goku since they were even. It's a filler. You shouldn't take it seriously. In the Anime you just can't transform immidietly since it wouldn't been dramatic. Buuhan knew he was above Base Vegito, this is why he went SSJ.

SSJ Vegito>>Buuhan>>Base Vegito.

Yeah I remember that, but you have to understand that attempting to destroy the entire universe, which was suggested to happen had Vegito not intervened, was Buu's ultimate move of desperation. Super Vegito was that much more powerful than him. He could do nothing, whereas against Vegito's base state, he could actually land some punches/kicks, catch Vegito off-guard et cetera, a completely different ball game. Surely you didn't expect Buuhan to bring down the entire universe right off the bat, after having his face smashed in once or twice by a slightly more powerful adversary, did you?

And Buuhan > base Vegito is hardly a fact, but an opinion instead. If it were a fact, I would not be able to argue against it, nor would anybody else, but you can argue against it. Buuhan stated that base Vegito was no match for him, which is all nice and well, but Vegito said he was more powerful than Buuhan too, and based on their fight; if any of the two had any right of speaking, it would be Vegito. Not to mention that Vegito was stated to be stronger by the two Kaioshin, who were following the fight.

Vegito never said his base form was above Buuhan and the Kais never said so as well. Vegito 's answer was becoming a SSJ which means his base form was not enough. Listen, Mang and Anime sent the same message about Vegito's fight but Vegito started his fight in base in the Anime since it wouldn't beem dramatic for him to go SSJ immidietly in the Anime. Buuhan was shown mad in the Anime when he broke dimmensions and SSJ Vegito had to be serious so Buuhan>Base Vegito.

There you go backing up your story with drama effect... Wow. Base Veggeto landed a lot more damage to buuhan than the other way around. As been stated Veggeto had the upper hand in base but probably need the ssj to tear him apart. Earlier you stated that Veggeto fought in base in the manga and the anime. Why are you changing your story?

I never changed the story. Yes, Base Vegito was able to inflit a lot of damage to Buuhan but you even said he needed SSJ to tear him apart which means Buuhan could of been stronger than Base Vegito as Buuhan said Base Vegito was no natch for him and was shown confkident. He didn't say that because he was frustrated, at least he was not shown frustrated at that moment. He was shown confident.

quote G_O_G_E_T_A

quote vegito1089

quote G_O_G_E_T_A

quote vegito1089

Buuhan was holding back on Base Vegito IMO. Remember when Buuhan got mad and broke dimensions in the Anime?? SSJ Vegito was shown pretty struggling. Buuhan>Base Vegito is a fact. Saiyan Base Vegito>Buuhan is like saiyan Kid Buu=SSJ2 Goku since they were even. It's a filler. You shouldn't take it seriously. In the Anime you just can't transform immidietly since it wouldn't been dramatic. Buuhan knew he was above Base Vegito, this is why he went SSJ.

SSJ Vegito>>Buuhan>>Base Vegito.

Yeah I remember that, but you have to understand that attempting to destroy the entire universe, which was suggested to happen had Vegito not intervened, was Buu's ultimate move of desperation. Super Vegito was that much more powerful than him. He could do nothing, whereas against Vegito's base state, he could actually land some punches/kicks, catch Vegito off-guard et cetera, a completely different ball game. Surely you didn't expect Buuhan to bring down the entire universe right off the bat, after having his face smashed in once or twice by a slightly more powerful adversary, did you?

And Buuhan > base Vegito is hardly a fact, but an opinion instead. If it were a fact, I would not be able to argue against it, nor would anybody else, but you can argue against it. Buuhan stated that base Vegito was no match for him, which is all nice and well, but Vegito said he was more powerful than Buuhan too, and based on their fight; if any of the two had any right of speaking, it would be Vegito. Not to mention that Vegito was stated to be stronger by the two Kaioshin, who were following the fight.

Vegito never said his base form was above Buuhan and the Kais never said so as well. Vegito 's answer was becoming a SSJ which means his base form was not enough. Listen, Mang and Anime sent the same message about Vegito's fight but Vegito started his fight in base in the Anime since it wouldn't beem dramatic for him to go SSJ immidietly in the Anime. Buuhan was shown mad in the Anime when he broke dimmensions and SSJ Vegito had to be serious so Buuhan>Base Vegito.

All that was mentioned in the anime, check that link to the fight that was posted earlier (by Sgt. Martin, IIRC). As for Buuhan attemtping to bring down the entire universe to get rid of Vegito, I repeat what I said earlier; he was still capable of putting a fight to Vegito's base form at times, so such extreme measures were not required at that point. When Vegito transformed, all that changed.

So you are saying Base Vegito and Buuhan were equals?? I only say that the fact that Base Vegito has to go SSJ proves his base form was not enough.