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DealerG high on "N" total posts: 746 since: Jun 2011	Mar 08, 12 at 4:25pm ^ re: ssj3 gotenks>super buu
	Log in to remove this advertisement quote XxSkelterXx Again. Vegeta says that himself, and Goku are probably stronger than Gohan... They know Gohan has Super Saiyan 2, that right there kills your argument..Vegeta knows He can't defeat a Ssj2 using only Ssj. TBH skelter it doesn't really make a difference to me. I have Ssj2 Gohan (Budokai) weaker than FP PC anyway so Ssj Vegeta is actually stronger than Ssj2 Gohan imo. If anything you're just helping my case with the whole Ssj Gohan (post zenkai) > Ssj2 Gohan (Budokai) and since Gohan hadn't fought yet, no one would've known about his zenkai.
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SSj3 Gotenks high on "N" total posts: 823 since: Nov 2011	Mar 08, 12 at 4:29pm ^ re: ssj3 gotenks>super buu
	Buu saga is such a mess anyway. We should all read DB and try debating that!
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XxSkelterXx “Dubito ergo cogito; cogito ergo sum. Permanently Plugged In total posts: 13294 since: Aug 2010	Mar 08, 12 at 4:29pm ^ re: ssj3 gotenks>super buu
	Well, luckily that's only your opinion, and there is NOTHING implying that the strongest Super saiyan, can defeat the weakest Super Saiyan 2. That's all you man. The gap is to much.
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DealerG high on "N" total posts: 746 since: Jun 2011	Mar 08, 12 at 4:30pm ^ re: ssj3 gotenks>super buu
	quote XxSkelterXx Well, luckily that's only your opinion, and there is NOTHING implying that the strongest Super saiyan, can defeat the weakest Super Saiyan 2. That's all you man. The gap is to much. Rage boost implies it skelter. Ssj2 Goku > Enraged Ssj2 kid Gohan >>> Ssj2 Teen Gohan (Budokai) => Ssj Goku is an absolute beast (which he's implied to be anyway...)
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XxSkelterXx “Dubito ergo cogito; cogito ergo sum. Permanently Plugged In total posts: 13294 since: Aug 2010	Mar 08, 12 at 4:35pm ^ re: ssj3 gotenks>super buu
	Conjecture. I don't think Super Saiyan Goku ( Boo arc ) is not that far ahead from Cell games Gohan. Goku pretty much stated that he hit a limit post Rost, and nobody made a fuss over his Ssj power. Only his Ssj2 got a compliment from Gohan..
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Goku9001 true seeker total posts: 1224 since: Dec 2011	Mar 08, 12 at 4:39pm ^ re: ssj3 gotenks>super buu
	quote XxSkelterXx Again. Vegeta says that himself, and Goku are probably stronger than Gohan... They know Gohan has Super Saiyan 2, that right there kills your argument..Vegeta knows He can't defeat a Ssj2 using only Ssj. Vegeta is most likely taking in account the fact that Gohan can't access SSJin2. Especially since he hasn't even trained for 7 years. Plus, Vegeta knows that he himself has SSJin2, so what's your point?
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SSj3 Gotenks high on "N" total posts: 823 since: Nov 2011	Mar 08, 12 at 4:39pm ^ re: ssj3 gotenks>super buu
	I think in all likelihood it is best to not deal with these rage boosts that gohan appeared to have gotten against SPC. I like to think that he was just tapping into the power he lost from getting his arm broken. So when kid gohan put out is full power, he defeated cell. So it goes something like this imo. Majin vegeta>=ssj2 goku>kid gohan>>teen gohan. I also make it work by keeping gohan a ssj2 against dabura ad fat buu. Makes thing work nice imo.
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DealerG high on "N" total posts: 746 since: Jun 2011	Mar 08, 12 at 4:50pm ^ re: ssj3 gotenks>super buu
	quote XxSkelterXx Conjecture. I don't think Super Saiyan Goku ( Boo arc ) is not that far ahead from Cell games Gohan. That's ridiculous skelter. Goku said he's a lot stronger than Mssj Goku. quote Herms Vegeta: “I’m looking forward to this. You’d better brace yourself. I’ve improved quite a lot.” Goku: “Me too, Vegeta.” Ssj Vegeta > Ssj Goku (estimated) >> Mssj Goku And then Goku is so much stronger than Vegeta that Vegeta sells his soul to catch up. That's a big difference skelter. Ssj Goku >> Ssj Vegeta >>(>) Mssj Goku Do you really have Gohan that high? quote XxSkelterXx Goku pretty much stated that he hit a limit post Rost, and nobody made a fuss over his Ssj power. Only his Ssj2 got a compliment from Gohan.. That's a speculative statement skelter. No one knows if Goku meant a limit with Mssj (since it looks like they stopped being full time Ssjs) or a limit as in power. The fact that Goku got stronger by EoZ pretty much proves it wasn't power anyway... quote SSj3 Gotenks I think in all likelihood it is best to not deal with these rage boosts that gohan appeared to have gotten against SPC. I like to think that he was just tapping into the power he lost from getting his arm broken. So when kid gohan put out is full power, he defeated cell. So it goes something like this imo. Majin vegeta>=ssj2 goku>kid gohan>>teen gohan. I also make it work by keeping gohan a ssj2 against dabura ad fat buu. Makes thing work nice imo. Well that's your opinion. I'd rather just go with the many implications which imply that Gohan gets a rage boost.
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SSj3 Gotenks high on "N" total posts: 823 since: Nov 2011	Mar 08, 12 at 4:52pm ^ re: ssj3 gotenks>super buu
	About the goku/vegeta getting much stronger. I believe the fact that the both achieved ssj2 and goku achieveing ssj3 could fall into the catagory of improving.
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DealerG high on "N" total posts: 746 since: Jun 2011	Mar 08, 12 at 4:56pm ^ re: ssj3 gotenks>super buu
	quote SSj3 Gotenks About the goku/vegeta getting much stronger. I believe the fact that the both achieved ssj2 and goku achieveing ssj3 could fall into the catagory of improving. Throughout DB, when they've said "improved" they've meant power unless it was specified (or blatent), like "your skills have improved". Plus he'd just say "I've changed" instead.
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SSj3 Gotenks high on "N" total posts: 823 since: Nov 2011	Mar 08, 12 at 5:00pm ^ re: ssj3 gotenks>super buu
	You can keep your opinion also, but goku flat outs states that he has maxed out. Then he goes off trains and achieves ssj2 and ssj3. Now what do you think he means when he says he has improved?
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XxSkelterXx “Dubito ergo cogito; cogito ergo sum. Permanently Plugged In total posts: 13294 since: Aug 2010	Mar 08, 12 at 5:05pm ^ re: ssj3 gotenks>super buu
	I agree. Goku says he tapped out his Ssj. That's it. There is no way around that. Goku saying he improved is backed up by his Ssj2 and ssj3. Goku9001 are you serious? Why are all your arguments always the same thing? Well, he meant that, or this. Its so predictable by now. Goku said he maxed out, so he did. Manga> any Neoseeker poster and their opinion.
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DealerG high on "N" total posts: 746 since: Jun 2011	Mar 08, 12 at 5:06pm ^ re: ssj3 gotenks>super buu
	quote SSj3 Gotenks You can keep your opinion also, but goku flat outs states that he has maxed out. Then he goes off trains and achieves ssj2 and ssj3. Now what do you think he means when he says he has improved? I think he means that he got stronger, like he always does. If Goku was really maxed out then he wouldn't have ever gotten stronger which EoZ pretty much proves isn't the case. Anyway I reckon it's clear that the Mssj benifits is what maxed out. Most members here believe that Mssj converts Ssj power into base form, reducing the multiplier and increasing the base form, probably at a rate which increases the base form expodentially more than the decrease of the multiplier which results in a stronger Ssj. Mssj maxing out is pretty much evident in the fact that Goku and Gohan don't use Ssj when they don't have to and the fact that there's always a significant Ssj multiplier (or they'd never transform!) And it's late so I'm going to sleep...
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XxSkelterXx “Dubito ergo cogito; cogito ergo sum. Permanently Plugged In total posts: 13294 since: Aug 2010	Mar 08, 12 at 5:12pm ^ re: ssj3 gotenks>super buu
	Yah, I've heard that theory before. I thought it was ridiculous then, and I think is ridiculous now. Nothing implies that being a Mssj magically makes your base stronger, and your Ssj crappier.
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Goku9001 true seeker total posts: 1224 since: Dec 2011	Mar 08, 12 at 6:08pm ^ re: ssj3 gotenks>super buu
	quote XxSkelterXx I agree. Goku says he tapped out his Ssj. That's it. There is no way around that. Goku saying he improved is backed up by his Ssj2 and ssj3. Goku9001 are you serious? Why are all your arguments always the same thing? Well, he meant that, or this. Its so predictable by now. Goku said he maxed out, so he did. Manga> any Neoseeker poster and their opinion. Goku never maxed out considering that his SSJ went from far below Kid Gohan to above Kid Gohan. It's more like a 1.5x-2x increase, so saying he only got stronger due to achieving new forms is false. And, yeah, that's a theory I've never believed. The only reason I believed the SSJin multiplier decreased was because of the implications in the Android Saga.
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