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Goku9001 true seeker total posts: 1224 since: Dec 2011	Dec 24, 11 at 3:20am ^ re: Enraged SSJ2 Gohan (Post Z Sword) > SSJ3 Goku ?
	Log in to remove this advertisement quote jackjack quote Goku9001 Yeah, but it could possibly be because he's been training with it for some time. I think he can hold with a little bit of effort if he recovered from the training. Did you see base Goku sweating bullets and SSJ Goku not breaking a sweat? What? I never denied that. I was talking about Gohan! Besides that, wasn't that filler anyways? quote Goku9001 I have him requiring over a 10x power up to match up with Fat Buu as an SSJ. And no, that's not because we're placing Fat Buu as low as we can. I have Fat Buu at 56% of SSJ3 Goku which is a pretty good place to put him at. What's the point of this post? Not really a point to it. I'm just saying where I have Fat Buu and where I have Gohan. Sheesh! Even if Boo were at 112% of Goku, you could just raise it to over 20x, couldn't you? You could, but you'd be contradicting the manga anyways.
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Goku9001 true seeker total posts: 1224 since: Dec 2011	Dec 24, 11 at 3:21am ^ re: Enraged SSJ2 Gohan (Post Z Sword) > SSJ3 Goku ?
	quote rahully2j Dabura is ssj2 tier IMO. He was holding back against gohan and goku stated he is stronger than spc. Dabra: “Naturally. I fought him a little bit before, after all. There’s no doubt that I can take care of trash like that.” That doesn't make sense. You have SSJ2 Kid Gohan = SSJ2 Teen Gohan and SSJ2 Kid Gohan being far above SPC doesn't work. I wouldn't take that quote so seriously. Especially since Gohan had an SSJ aura anyways.
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rahully2j BLADE s-e-e-k-e-r total posts: 1933 since: May 2011	Dec 24, 11 at 3:23am ^ re: Enraged SSJ2 Gohan (Post Z Sword) > SSJ3 Goku ?
	p123 - I don't know man, the whole ship thing is shaky. IF you believe gohan was ssj2 then that makes things crystal clear. If dabura was not holding back then why would he say gohan is trash? I think the reason he wanted vegeta to get the job done cause - 1. He will only have to worry about kaioshin and gohan. 2. Goku and Vegeta are stronger than gohan so their energy would revive buu in short time. quote That doesn't make sense. You have SSJ2 Kid Gohan = SSJ2 Teen Gohan and SSJ2 Kid Gohan being far above SPC doesn't work. I wouldn't take that quote so seriously. Especially since Gohan had an SSJ aura anyways. Enraged Kid Gohan >> SSJ2 Kid Gohan >>= SPC. My numbers - Enraged Kid Gohan - 100 Kid Gohan - 50 SPC - 45 What's so complicated here? Aura is a visual representation to show character's strength.
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Goku9001 true seeker total posts: 1224 since: Dec 2011	Dec 24, 11 at 3:26am ^ re: Enraged SSJ2 Gohan (Post Z Sword) > SSJ3 Goku ?
	quote rahully2j p123 - I don't know man, the whole ship thing is shaky. IF you believe gohan was ssj2 then that makes things crystal clear. If dabura was not holding back then why would he say gohan is trash? I think the reason he wanted vegeta to get the job done cause - 1. He will only have to worry about kaioshin and gohan. 2. Goku and Vegeta are stronger than gohan so their energy would revive buu in short time. Since you believe that Gohan was an SSJ2 and you believe in the plothole then why wouldn't Dabura try his best? He knows SSJ2 Teen Gohan filled up half the energy for Buu and his job was the get the energy. I don't think he was holding back that much. He wanted to get as much energy for Buu as possible. ^ Oops, sry since you said Dabura held back, my point is moot. And SSJ2's have a certain aura. Electricity isn't the only thing. SSJ2 auras are spikier and shaded in more compared to an SSJ.
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Cocoman s-e-e-k-e-r total posts: 1614 since: Jul 2011	Dec 24, 11 at 3:27am ^ re: Enraged SSJ2 Gohan (Post Z Sword) > SSJ3 Goku ?
	Dabura tells all of them to fight him at the same time (i'm sure) so I would imagine he is even further above 3,000 Killi considering he's probably banking on all of them being around the same area of strength. Also I use a 5x SSjin boost for Goku based off of the killi system because Goku's hit didn't seem like it did much at all to Yakon and it was a surprise kick as well.
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rahully2j BLADE s-e-e-k-e-r total posts: 1933 since: May 2011	Dec 24, 11 at 3:27am ^ re: Enraged SSJ2 Gohan (Post Z Sword) > SSJ3 Goku ?
	quote Since you believe that Gohan was an SSJ2 and you believe in the plothole then why wouldn't Dabura try his best? He knows SSJ2 Teen Gohan filled up half the energy for Buu and his job was the get the energy. I don't think he was holding back that much. He wanted to get as much energy for Buu as possible. Dabura begs to differ. Why would he say gohan is trash if he was taking it seriously? Tell me any villain who is always in BL mode?
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Goku9001 true seeker total posts: 1224 since: Dec 2011	Dec 24, 11 at 3:30am ^ re: Enraged SSJ2 Gohan (Post Z Sword) > SSJ3 Goku ?
	quote rahully2j quote Since you believe that Gohan was an SSJ2 and you believe in the plothole then why wouldn't Dabura try his best? He knows SSJ2 Teen Gohan filled up half the energy for Buu and his job was the get the energy. I don't think he was holding back that much. He wanted to get as much energy for Buu as possible. Dabura begs to differ. Why would he say gohan is trash if he was taking it seriously? Tell me any villain who is always in BL mode? His job was to get energy for Buu. Since SSJ2 Teen Gohan filled up half the energy for Majin Buu why wouldn't he take it seriously? Maybe because he was an SSJ and thought he would be trash and would be worth it to take over Vegeta since he'd be a better and effective way to get more energy? So, I'll admit, he was holding back, but Gohan most likely wouldn't provide the energy he needed probably because he was an SSJ.
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jackjack ultra seeker total posts: 1450 since: Oct 2009	Dec 24, 11 at 3:31am ^ re: Enraged SSJ2 Gohan (Post Z Sword) > SSJ3 Goku ?
	quote Goku9001 What? I never denied that. According to your logic, Gohan's sweating bullets because he's been training for some time. Goku's also been training for some time, but guess what? No sweat drops are seen with SSJ Goku. quote Goku9001 I was talking about Gohan! Then how come I don't see sweat drops when he's preparing himself to slice through the boulder the next few panels? quote Goku9001 Besides that, wasn't that filler anyways? I don't use filler. quote Goku9001 You could, but you'd be contradicting the manga anyways. Explain to me how 20x would be a contradiction...
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rahully2j BLADE s-e-e-k-e-r total posts: 1933 since: May 2011	Dec 24, 11 at 3:32am ^ re: Enraged SSJ2 Gohan (Post Z Sword) > SSJ3 Goku ?
	Actually, cocoman brought up a good point. Dabura has already seen ssj goku who is the strongest at that point. So, why would he tell everyone to attack him together if he was equal to teen gohan?
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Goku9001 true seeker total posts: 1224 since: Dec 2011	Dec 24, 11 at 3:34am ^ re: Enraged SSJ2 Gohan (Post Z Sword) > SSJ3 Goku ?
	quote jackjack quote Goku9001 What? I never denied that. According to your logic, Gohan's sweating bullets because he's been training for some time. Goku's also been training for some time, but guess what? No sweat drops are seen with SSJ Goku. Later, we see Gohan able to hold the sword fine. And because he boosts his power, he's able to hold it with ease. Gohan never goes SSJ, so he does need the rest. quote Goku9001 I was talking about Gohan! Then how come I don't see any sweat drops when he's preparing himself to slice through the boulder the next panel? I said, he rested? Then he swings it with ease. quote Goku9001 Besides that, wasn't that filler anyways? I don't use filler. It happens after the Cell Saga and I don't recall seeing it in the manga. quote Goku9001 You could, but you'd be contradicting the manga anyways. Explain to me how 20x would be a contradiction... I said Fat Buu being 112% of SSJ3 Goku is a contradiction. 20x wouldn't and I can definitely see it being possible.
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p123 Permanently Plugged In total posts: 14287 since: Dec 2009	Dec 24, 11 at 3:41am ^ re: Enraged SSJ2 Gohan (Post Z Sword) > SSJ3 Goku ?
	The thing is Rah... There just seems to be a lot of evidence that way. Goku thinks Dabura is stronger than he thought based on his performance against Gohan. Whether Gohan is SSJ or SSJ2 , Dabura should be superior of course, but not by a lot. Goku wouldn't be so prepped to stop Vegeta from helping if he sensed Dabura to be so far above Gohan... It's just a battle that Gohan's not going to win, Dabura will slowly wear him down. Essentially the whole fight is Dabura on the offensive, and Gohan doing everything possible to defend. It's just not a good scenario for Gohan, and that should be good enough for Dabura to be so confident in himself as well as he's the strongest villian in the demon world, generally these strongest " insert title " people have really hard times accepting people on their terms. Vegeta, Freeza, 17 , Cell and so on. It's just typical villian arrogance. Now Dabura >= Gohan, doesn't really change the debate or add anything towards if Gohan is a SSJ or SSJ2 either way. But Dabura should be fighting his hardest, it's just that Gohan is close enough to make him really work for it.
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jackjack ultra seeker total posts: 1450 since: Oct 2009	Dec 24, 11 at 3:42am ^ re: Enraged SSJ2 Gohan (Post Z Sword) > SSJ3 Goku ?
	quote Goku9001 Later, we see Gohan able to hold the sword fine. And because he boosts his power, he's able to hold it with ease. Gohan never goes SSJ, so he does need the rest. Holding is easier than swinging. quote Goku9001 I said, he rested? Then he swings it with ease. He never rested. quote Goku9001 It happens after the Cell Saga and I don't recall seeing it in the manga. Well, look harder? Because it's there. quote Goku9001 I said Fat Buu being 112% of SSJ3 Goku is a contradiction. 20x wouldn't and I can definitely see it being possible. The point I'm making is that you're having him get whatever increase to fit your belief anyway....
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p123 Permanently Plugged In total posts: 14287 since: Dec 2009	Dec 24, 11 at 3:48am ^ re: Enraged SSJ2 Gohan (Post Z Sword) > SSJ3 Goku ?
	This just in. Gohan is stated to be a Super Saiyan in both Daiz 2 and 7 now. http://www.pojo.biz/board/showthread.php?t=1015167 I guess SSj2 Gohan has lost a lot of credibility here as well, although I doubt it will totally kill the notion, it's definitely lost some members towards the theory now...
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Goku9001 true seeker total posts: 1224 since: Dec 2011	Dec 24, 11 at 3:57am ^ re: Enraged SSJ2 Gohan (Post Z Sword) > SSJ3 Goku ?
	quote jackjack quote Goku9001 Later, we see Gohan able to hold the sword fine. And because he boosts his power, he's able to hold it with ease. Gohan never goes SSJ, so he does need the rest. Holding is easier than swinging. He swings it with ease. quote Goku9001 I said, he rested? Then he swings it with ease. He never rested. Then that makes my point better then. quote Goku9001 It happens after the Cell Saga and I don't recall seeing it in the manga. Well, look harder? Because it's there. I don't think it's worth looking into anyways. quote Goku9001 I said Fat Buu being 112% of SSJ3 Goku is a contradiction. 20x wouldn't and I can definitely see it being possible. The point I'm making is that you're having him get whatever increase to fit your belief anyway.... There's nothing wrong with it at all. I'm just trying to follow the implications in the manga. p123 Thank god. Now we don't have to worry about those SSJ2 believers.
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jackjack ultra seeker total posts: 1450 since: Oct 2009	Dec 24, 11 at 3:58am ^ re: Enraged SSJ2 Gohan (Post Z Sword) > SSJ3 Goku ?
	161 - Gohan vs Spopovich & Yamu Vol. 37 / Chp. 445 "Kibito coerced Gohan into becoming a Super Saiyan. This was in order to lure out someone who needed a large amount of energy. One of the people to notice Super Saiyan Gohan's energy was Yamu."
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