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G_O_G_E_T_A Vocare Ad Regnum (moderator) Dragonball total posts: 16060 since: May 2006	Aug 11, 12 at 2:44am ^ re: What If Thread
	Log in to remove this sponsored message quote PrinceVegeta quote G_O_G_E_T_A quote PrinceVegeta It was a normal KK? Well, ok then. New what if - 5th Form Frieza vs. SSJ Goku in the Android arc (not sick). ?? Bolded part - as far as I'm aware it was; if it was any more than a regular one it would have been mentioned you'd think, but it never was... To the new versus: Goku easily wins, even if this 5th form would somehow double Frieza's power. I have an urge to think the Android arc Super Saiyans are way superior to the ones shown before that point. quote M4 Slug rivals Piccolo fused with Nai and this is why the movie was releaved just before Piccolo went all out vs Frieza. King Kai refered to First Form Frieza or Second Form snce they were the only forms which was releaved by the time of M4. At the very least that makes sense looking at how Goku dealt with Giant Slug. No way he could have done that to a being that's superior to 100% Frieza. To the Kaioken thing - Goku went KKx2 against Ginyu apparently, but never really said it. But I suppose it really doesn't matter. How much of an increase do you believe a 5th form in Frieza's family is? Kaioken or Kaioken x2, it doesn't really matter as it's one and the same thing; both double Goku's battle power. As for the 5th form; I've never really give that matter much thought as it's a non-canonical transformation, but because of the massive power gap I have between Super Saiyan Goku from Namek and the Android arc Super Saiyans; I don't see Frieza standing a chance, even if his hypothetical 5th form is twice as strong as his previous state.
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bridgemanbridgeman just getting started! total posts: 131 since: Jul 2012	Aug 11, 12 at 3:07am ^ re: What If Thread
	Well it has to be a lot more then just twice as strong. Goku had quite some trouble pushing back that Super Nova Cooler threw.
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G_O_G_E_T_A Vocare Ad Regnum (moderator) Dragonball total posts: 16060 since: May 2006	Aug 11, 12 at 3:12am ^ re: What If Thread
	That also depends on the mechanics behind the Super Nova; if it's amplified, does its power come from Cooler solely, or whatever. Which is a grey area really.
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bridgemanbridgeman just getting started! total posts: 131 since: Jul 2012	Aug 11, 12 at 3:18am ^ re: What If Thread
	Well Trunks had no problems catching the one Frieza threw.
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PrinceofSaiyajins456 not-such-a-newbie total posts: 38 since: Aug 2012	Aug 11, 12 at 7:40am ^ re: What If Thread
	SSJ Gogeta (Androids Saga) vs MSSJ Goku (Cell Games). Who wins?
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PrinceVegeta Oh Great, The Fat One's Dead! no-stoppin-me-now total posts: 260 since: Aug 2012	Aug 11, 12 at 11:53am ^ re: What If Thread
	quote G_O_G_E_T_A Kaioken or Kaioken x2, it doesn't really matter as it's one and the same thing; both double Goku's battle power. As for the 5th form; I've never really give that matter much thought as it's a non-canonical transformation, but because of the massive power gap I have between Super Saiyan Goku from Namek and the Android arc Super Saiyans; I don't see Frieza standing a chance, even if his hypothetical 5th form is twice as strong as his previous state. True. I always figured it was much more, though, considering that Goku was equal to Cooler's true form, but a 5th form Cooler blew right through a KKx20. But Toei probably intended it to be a double increase anyway and just don't know how to do math. quote PrinceofSaiyajins456 SSJ Gogeta (Androids Saga) vs MSSJ Goku (Cell Games). Who wins? Gogeta. Considering how powerful Gotenks is in comparison to Goten & Trunks, who are probably a little above the Android arc SSJs, Gogeta takes it easily, maybe even SSJ2 Goku.
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Sjk8 Be water, my friend just getting started! total posts: 113 since: Aug 2012	Aug 11, 12 at 12:43pm ^ re: What If Thread
	I'm pretty sure this question had been already discussed, but I'll try and ask this the same : hypothetical Ssj GT Vegito vs Omega Shenron I personally think that, if Potara's rules of fusion are the same of DBZ, and considering that Goku's Mssj4 power could be considered with a Potara fusion (unlike the Metamoran one), a GT Ssj Vegito could have easily one-shot Omega and even Ssj4 Gogeta. A Vegito like this, for example: PS: I'm not english, please forgive my eventual spelling errors.
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Cobalt Agent Neo-newbie total posts: 1 since: Aug 2012	Aug 11, 12 at 2:47pm ^ re: What If Thread
	Gocculo vs Reccome. A fusion of Goku and Piccolo from the Raditz Saga vs Reccome. Who wins?
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PrinceVegeta Oh Great, The Fat One's Dead! no-stoppin-me-now total posts: 260 since: Aug 2012	Aug 11, 12 at 4:23pm ^ re: What If Thread
	quote Cobalt Agent Gocculo vs Reccome. A fusion of Goku and Piccolo from the Raditz Saga vs Reccome. Who wins? Pretty tough, but I'd say Gocculo. Again, I'm basing it off of Gotenks' huge power in comparison the Saiyan kids. quote Sjk8 I'm pretty sure this question had been already discussed, but I'll try and ask this the same : hypothetical Ssj GT Vegito vs Omega Shenron I personally think that, if Potara's rules of fusion are the same of DBZ, and considering that Goku's Mssj4 power could be considered with a Potara fusion (unlike the Metamoran one), a GT Ssj Vegito could have easily one-shot Omega and even Ssj4 Gogeta. A Vegito like this, for example: PS: I'm not english, please forgive my eventual spelling errors. Interview with Akira Toriyama: Nirazaki (Interviewer): I know that a lot of people want to hear more about fusion. With Bejitto now in the story, will he play that big of a role? And most of all, is he stronger than Gojīta himself? Toriyama-san: Well I dont know yet. Ive planned some things with Bejitto, but he wont be the focus of the entire saga. Youll see as things develop. As for their strength, Gojīta is a little bit stronger, but you wouldnt notice a difference. Still, Bejitto will always be the most skilled martial artist! (Smiles) Nirazaki: What does that last part mean? Toriyama-san: You'll find out. There it is - Gogeta >= Vegetto. Then again, we don't know how SSJ Gogeta would've done against Omega, but I'd say he one-shots, so Vegetto would as well. If Vegetto and Gogeta fought, it'd be exactly even, as Toriayama stated that Gogeta is barely stronger but Vegetto is more skilled - Vegetto may pull in the win eventually, though. EDIT: NVM, that interview is fake apparently.... Edit: Aug 11, 12 7:01pm
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PrinceofSaiyajins456 not-such-a-newbie total posts: 38 since: Aug 2012	Aug 11, 12 at 4:44pm ^ re: What If Thread
	quote PrinceVegeta quote Cobalt Agent Gocculo vs Reccome. A fusion of Goku and Piccolo from the Raditz Saga vs Reccome. Who wins? Pretty tough, but I'd say Gocculo. Again, I'm basing it off of Gotenks' huge power in comparison the Saiyan kids. quote Sjk8 I'm pretty sure this question had been already discussed, but I'll try and ask this the same : hypothetical Ssj GT Vegito vs Omega Shenron I personally think that, if Potara's rules of fusion are the same of DBZ, and considering that Goku's Mssj4 power could be considered with a Potara fusion (unlike the Metamoran one), a GT Ssj Vegito could have easily one-shot Omega and even Ssj4 Gogeta. A Vegito like this, for example: PS: I'm not english, please forgive my eventual spelling errors. Interview with Akira Toriyama: Nirazaki (Interviewer): I know that a lot of people want to hear more about fusion. With Bejitto now in the story, will he play that big of a role? And most of all, is he stronger than Gojīta himself? Toriyama-san: Well I dont know yet. Ive planned some things with Bejitto, but he wont be the focus of the entire saga. Youll see as things develop. As for their strength, Gojīta is a little bit stronger, but you wouldnt notice a difference. Still, Bejitto will always be the most skilled martial artist! (Smiles) Nirazaki: What does that last part mean? Toriyama-san: You'll find out. There it is - Gogeta >= Vegetto. Then again, we don't know how SSJ Gogeta would've done against Omega, but I'd say he one-shots, so Vegetto would as well. If Vegetto and Gogeta fought, it'd be exactly even, as Toriayama stated that Gogeta is barely stronger but Vegetto is more skilled - Vegetto may pull in the win eventually, though. That's from Super Otakuo Magazine. It's a fake interview and Vegito >>>>>>>>> Gogeta.
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PrinceVegeta Oh Great, The Fat One's Dead! no-stoppin-me-now total posts: 260 since: Aug 2012	Aug 11, 12 at 7:00pm ^ re: What If Thread
	quote PrinceofSaiyajins456 quote PrinceVegeta quote Cobalt Agent Gocculo vs Reccome. A fusion of Goku and Piccolo from the Raditz Saga vs Reccome. Who wins? Pretty tough, but I'd say Gocculo. Again, I'm basing it off of Gotenks' huge power in comparison the Saiyan kids. quote Sjk8 I'm pretty sure this question had been already discussed, but I'll try and ask this the same : hypothetical Ssj GT Vegito vs Omega Shenron I personally think that, if Potara's rules of fusion are the same of DBZ, and considering that Goku's Mssj4 power could be considered with a Potara fusion (unlike the Metamoran one), a GT Ssj Vegito could have easily one-shot Omega and even Ssj4 Gogeta. A Vegito like this, for example: PS: I'm not english, please forgive my eventual spelling errors. Interview with Akira Toriyama: Nirazaki (Interviewer): I know that a lot of people want to hear more about fusion. With Bejitto now in the story, will he play that big of a role? And most of all, is he stronger than Gojīta himself? Toriyama-san: Well I dont know yet. Ive planned some things with Bejitto, but he wont be the focus of the entire saga. Youll see as things develop. As for their strength, Gojīta is a little bit stronger, but you wouldnt notice a difference. Still, Bejitto will always be the most skilled martial artist! (Smiles) Nirazaki: What does that last part mean? Toriyama-san: You'll find out. There it is - Gogeta >= Vegetto. Then again, we don't know how SSJ Gogeta would've done against Omega, but I'd say he one-shots, so Vegetto would as well. If Vegetto and Gogeta fought, it'd be exactly even, as Toriayama stated that Gogeta is barely stronger but Vegetto is more skilled - Vegetto may pull in the win eventually, though. That's from Super Otakuo Magazine. It's a fake interview and Vegito >>>>>>>>> Gogeta. Wow. I can't believe I've been played by a fake interview. SSJ Vegetto still one-shots Omega, which was the original question.
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PrinceofSaiyajins456 not-such-a-newbie total posts: 38 since: Aug 2012	Aug 11, 12 at 7:06pm ^ re: What If Thread
	quote PrinceVegeta quote PrinceofSaiyajins456 quote PrinceVegeta quote Cobalt Agent Gocculo vs Reccome. A fusion of Goku and Piccolo from the Raditz Saga vs Reccome. Who wins? Pretty tough, but I'd say Gocculo. Again, I'm basing it off of Gotenks' huge power in comparison the Saiyan kids. quote Sjk8 I'm pretty sure this question had been already discussed, but I'll try and ask this the same : hypothetical Ssj GT Vegito vs Omega Shenron I personally think that, if Potara's rules of fusion are the same of DBZ, and considering that Goku's Mssj4 power could be considered with a Potara fusion (unlike the Metamoran one), a GT Ssj Vegito could have easily one-shot Omega and even Ssj4 Gogeta. A Vegito like this, for example: PS: I'm not english, please forgive my eventual spelling errors. Interview with Akira Toriyama: Nirazaki (Interviewer): I know that a lot of people want to hear more about fusion. With Bejitto now in the story, will he play that big of a role? And most of all, is he stronger than Gojīta himself? Toriyama-san: Well I dont know yet. Ive planned some things with Bejitto, but he wont be the focus of the entire saga. Youll see as things develop. As for their strength, Gojīta is a little bit stronger, but you wouldnt notice a difference. Still, Bejitto will always be the most skilled martial artist! (Smiles) Nirazaki: What does that last part mean? Toriyama-san: You'll find out. There it is - Gogeta >= Vegetto. Then again, we don't know how SSJ Gogeta would've done against Omega, but I'd say he one-shots, so Vegetto would as well. If Vegetto and Gogeta fought, it'd be exactly even, as Toriayama stated that Gogeta is barely stronger but Vegetto is more skilled - Vegetto may pull in the win eventually, though. That's from Super Otakuo Magazine. It's a fake interview and Vegito >>>>>>>>> Gogeta. Wow. I can't believe I've been played by a fake interview. SSJ Vegetto still one-shots Omega, which was the original question. SSJ Vegito is one shot material for Omega. Maybe SSJ3 Vegito would own him.
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G_O_G_E_T_A Vocare Ad Regnum (moderator) Dragonball total posts: 16060 since: May 2006	Aug 12, 12 at 3:33am ^ re: What If Thread
	That Super Otaku stuff was already confirmed as being fake years ago IIRC, so I never really paid much attention to anything that source claimed. And besides, even if it were legit, then we still have the manga (the original source) flat out state the opposite, so it wouldn't have mattered in any case. The Potara's are superior to the dance fusion; so Vegito is superior to Gogeta. As for the battle, a GT Super Vegito should be more than sufficient to beat the stuffings out of Omega IMO.
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Sjk8 Be water, my friend just getting started! total posts: 113 since: Aug 2012	Aug 12, 12 at 4:01am ^ re: What If Thread
	quote G_O_G_E_T_A That Super Otaku stuff was already confirmed as being fake years ago IIRC, so I never really paid much attention to anything that source claimed. And besides, even if it were legit, then we still have the manga (the original source) flat out state the opposite, so it wouldn't have mattered in any case. The Potara's are superior to the dance fusion; so Vegito is superior to Gogeta. As for the battle, a GT Super Vegito should be more than sufficient to beat the stuffings out of Omega IMO. Agreed. Vegito being far superior to Gogeta I think is confirmed by the Daizenshuu, claiming (if I'm not wrong) that both Goten and kid Trunks are near to teen Gohan's power even before the Rosat, by the GT Perfect Files (it seems indeed that Ssj4 Gogeta is tens times stronger than a regular Ssj4, which is not such a big gap if we compare this to the astonishing edge that Super Vegito had over Ssj3 Goku), and by the manga itself (the old Kai thinks that a Potara Gokhan would beat Buutenks in base, and Vegito is even stronger than that, because he is later stated to be the STRONGEST by the old Kai himself). So, if we consider also that the Potara fusion would take in account the overpower of Surpassed Limits Ssj4 Goku, I think that a GT Super Vegito would beat Omega to his death pretty easily, maybe even easier than Ssj4 Gogeta could have done.
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G_O_G_E_T_A Vocare Ad Regnum (moderator) Dragonball total posts: 16060 since: May 2006	Aug 12, 12 at 4:07am ^ re: What If Thread
	The original manga has the Elder Kaioshin state that the Potara's grant a greater effect than the dance does, which I think is a direct reference to a power comparison. quote Sjk8 (the old Kai thinks that a Potara Gokhan would beat Buutenks in base, and Vegito is even stronger than that, because he is later stated to be the STRONGEST by the old Kai himself). The only "problem" with that is, that in the manga, this was said by Elder Kaioshin when Vegito was fighting Buuhan as a Super Saiyan, so it could only mean Super Vegito > everything else instead of base Vegito. It's funny though, because I recall Elder Kaioshin in the anime, making a similar comment when Vegito was still fighting in base form. But none of that really matters as it's the anime, and you should always follow the manga as much as possible. That would make the most sense, anyway.
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