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rahully2j BLADE s-e-e-k-e-r total posts: 1933 since: May 2011	Apr 10, 12 at 8:56pm ^ re: General Broly Debate Thread
	Log in to remove this sponsored message As long as it's Canon SSJ3 Goku and manga Kid Buu that's fine.
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G_O_G_E_T_A Vocare Ad Regnum (moderator) Dragonball total posts: 16075 since: May 2006	Apr 11, 12 at 11:33am ^ re: General Broly Debate Thread
	quote tko_10xlegend ssj2 lol, might as well call broly the ssj2 not lssj. tell me. do you see a ssj2 taking a family kamehame that can only push him. or knocking out enrage ssj2 gohan with 3 hits toying and tanking most of it attacks. but really tell me. why is broly ssj2 level ???? We have a badly beaten Gohan, who didn't even have enough ki left to once again transform into his SSJ2 state, we have Goten who can barely just use the Kamehameha, and it remains to be seen if Goku was actually phyisically present. That family Kamehameha may not be the big deal it's often made out to be. Not to mention that Broly was using a massive ki blast himself to counter the Kamehameha. That big green ki ball, which may have also been amplified to a degree... So no, all in all, I don't see any reason to push Broly into the SSJ3-tier.
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Brolyfanboy12 Strongest Saiyan In History threadnought total posts: 623 since: Jan 2008	Apr 11, 12 at 11:55am ^ re: General Broly Debate Thread
	quote G_O_G_E_T_A quote tko_10xlegend ssj2 lol, might as well call broly the ssj2 not lssj. tell me. do you see a ssj2 taking a family kamehame that can only push him. or knocking out enrage ssj2 gohan with 3 hits toying and tanking most of it attacks. but really tell me. why is broly ssj2 level ???? We have a badly beaten Gohan, who didn't even have enough ki left to once again transform into his SSJ2 state, we have Goten who can barely just use the Kamehameha, and it remains to be seen if Goku was actually phyisically present. That family Kamehameha may not be the big deal it's often made out to be. Not to mention that Broly was using a massive ki blast himself to counter the Kamehameha. That big green ki ball, which may have also been amplified to a degree... So no, all in all, I don't see any reason to push Broly into the SSJ3-tier. There is evidence presented that shows that Gohan & Goku both transformed into Ssj2 during the burst in order to break through Broly's ki ball when he was prevented from forcing it back by Trunks. If this is indeed the case (as others have pointed out) then despite the family kamehameha being powered by two Ssj2's & an Ssj the blast did not harm Broly, & only managed to push him through the core of the Sun (which is what actually killed him). While this would place Broly well above high tier Ssj2's (such as SSj2 Goku & Majin Vegeta), I agree that it doesn't automatically place him in Ssj3 Tier as the gap between Ssj2 & Ssj3 is subjective & hard to find a consensus on. I have a question for you though, what are your mutipliers for Ssj2 & Ssj3? ------------------- Goku-Hey, why don't you give us a handicap! Broly-Is that another word for a coffin?
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Super Vegetto dangerous total posts: 198 since: Mar 2012	Apr 11, 12 at 12:29pm ^ re: General Broly Debate Thread
	quote Brolyfanboy12 quote G_O_G_E_T_A quote tko_10xlegend ssj2 lol, might as well call broly the ssj2 not lssj. tell me. do you see a ssj2 taking a family kamehame that can only push him. or knocking out enrage ssj2 gohan with 3 hits toying and tanking most of it attacks. but really tell me. why is broly ssj2 level ???? We have a badly beaten Gohan, who didn't even have enough ki left to once again transform into his SSJ2 state, we have Goten who can barely just use the Kamehameha, and it remains to be seen if Goku was actually phyisically present. That family Kamehameha may not be the big deal it's often made out to be. Not to mention that Broly was using a massive ki blast himself to counter the Kamehameha. That big green ki ball, which may have also been amplified to a degree... So no, all in all, I don't see any reason to push Broly into the SSJ3-tier. There is evidence presented that shows that Gohan & Goku both transformed into Ssj2 during the burst in order to break through Broly's ki ball when he was prevented from forcing it back by Trunks. If this is indeed the case (as others have pointed out) then despite the family kamehameha being powered by two Ssj2's & an Ssj the blast did not harm Broly, & only managed to push him through the core of the Sun (which is what actually killed him). While this would place Broly well above high tier Ssj2's (such as SSj2 Goku & Majin Vegeta), I agree that it doesn't automatically place him in Ssj3 Tier as the gap between Ssj2 & Ssj3 is subjective & hard to find a consensus on. I have a question for you though, what are your mutipliers for Ssj2 & Ssj3? Its already proven that Broly fought stronger version of Gohan and also Broly SSJ > Goku SSJ so Broly is above SSJ2 but probably not on SSJ3 imo. If we put him in SSJ2.5 would be good in movie 10 but if i go higher everyone would normaly say that it doesnt make sence that Broly is SSJ3 tier.
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rahully2j BLADE s-e-e-k-e-r total posts: 1933 since: May 2011	Apr 11, 12 at 3:35pm ^ re: General Broly Debate Thread
	I believe Broly is SSJ3 Tier. I don't think you should have a problem with me, son?
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brolyeuphyfusion the buttkicking master starting to like it total posts: 64 since: Apr 2012	Apr 11, 12 at 11:14pm ^ re: General Broly Debate Thread
	quote rahully2j I believe Broly is SSJ3 Tier State your reason why you believe that -------------------
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tko_10xlegend dangerous total posts: 180 since: Oct 2011	Apr 12, 12 at 12:11am ^ re: General Broly Debate Thread
	Broly not being ssj3 tier is pretty dumb. he shown ssj3 feats such as knocking out a ssj2 without any effort. 3 hits toying and taking a kamehame form 2 ssj2 and ssj without getting killed, not even enough to hurt broly i believe. i saw a little increase in power when ssj2 goku went ssj3 against kid buu yet i saw a massive difference with lssj and ssj2. plus lets not forget. there broly full power which could put him as a massive threat im talking about non hax broly
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rahully2j BLADE s-e-e-k-e-r total posts: 1933 since: May 2011	Apr 12, 12 at 1:07am ^ re: General Broly Debate Thread
	quote brolyeuphyfusion quote rahully2j I believe Broly is SSJ3 Tier State your reason why you believe that 1. Base Gohan being close to SSJ Broly. 2. SSJ Broly > SSJ Goku (Daiz 6) 3. Broly's LSSJ form has a bigger multiplier than Gohan's base to SSJ2 form. 4. Knocked out SSJ2 Enraged Teen Gohan in 3 hits. 5. Tanked family KHH from SSJ2 Goku/SSJ2 Gohan and SSJ Goten without sustaining any injury until he got blasted into the core of the sun. Now, go ahead and prove me wrong. Let me see what you got.
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tko_10xlegend dangerous total posts: 180 since: Oct 2011	Apr 12, 12 at 2:18am ^ re: General Broly Debate Thread
	if where talking about broly in haxing wise. ssj2 goku>>ssj goku=>ssj2 gohan>>ssj gohan>>lssj broly movie 8=ssj broly movie 10=>base gohan>>ssj2 teen gohan i have ssj2 gohan either = or greater then ssj3 goku manga. i also have ssj goku either = or stronger then ssj2 gohan due to making a massive difference in the beam struggle. i got ssj2 goku 2-3x of ssj2 gohan. then i have broly 6-9x stronger then ssj2 goku due to tanking that kamehame without dying then there broly full power. if broly can multiple himself more then 50x as a baby. then his power up in lssj should be a massive threat in buu saga. i have lssj broly display either = or great then ssj3 gotenks manga
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brolyeuphyfusion the buttkicking master starting to like it total posts: 64 since: Apr 2012	Apr 12, 12 at 8:38am ^ re: General Broly Debate Thread
	quote rahully2j 1. Base Gohan being close to SSJ Broly. Broly wasn't being serious with Gohan. Broly is rarely serious in a battle. Broly toys with his opponents. In their initial confrontation, Gohan was only able to send Broly's blast that was meant to kill Goten & Trunks away into the nearby mountains, not destroy it. Piccolo did the same thing to save Gohan in movie 8. This basically means that Gohan didn't have the power to neutralize Broly's blast. Gohan and Broly then went at it. It seemed to be evenly matched, but, Gohan is clearly putting more effort into it. Broly is effortlessly dodging his attacks and clearly not putting much into it. So Gohan's base isn't so strong, the gap between Goku and Gohan from the Cell games is maintained, not expanded. quote rahully2j 2. SSJ Broly > SSJ Goku (Daiz 6) you're right on this one, but it still doesn't make broly ssj3 tier quote rahully2j 3. Broly's LSSJ form has a bigger multiplier than Gohan's base to SSJ2 form. no, just no the statements that disprove #1 means that the LSSJ multiplier isn't even in the tens, never mind hundreds! quote rahully2j 4. Knocked out SSJ2 Enraged Teen Gohan in 3 hits. still doesn't make him ssj3 tier, ssj3 goku could have done it even better quote rahully2j 5. Tanked family KHH from SSJ2 Goku/SSJ2 Gohan and SSJ Goten without sustaining any injury until he got blasted into the core of the sun. prove that goku was ssj2 in the beam struggle -------------------
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rahully2j BLADE s-e-e-k-e-r total posts: 1933 since: May 2011	Apr 12, 12 at 9:37am ^ re: General Broly Debate Thread
	quote brolyeuphyfusion Broly wasn't being serious with Gohan. Broly is rarely serious in a battle. Broly toys with his opponents. Really? We must be watching a different movie cause the one I saw the official one, shows Broly getting serious while facing Gohan. quote In their initial confrontation, Gohan was only able to send Broly's blast that was meant to kill Goten & Trunks away into the nearby mountains, not destroy it. Piccolo did the same thing to save Gohan in movie 8. This basically means that Gohan didn't have the power to neutralize Broly's blast. 1. Piccolo did it with a ki blast. 2. Gohan did with his bare hands (actually 1 hand) and came out of that blast unscratched. quote Gohan and Broly then went at it. It seemed to be evenly matched, but, Gohan is clearly putting more effort into it. Broly is effortlessly dodging his attacks and clearly not putting much into it. Is that why Gohan forced Broly to dodge his ki blast? Broly doesn't tank when he knows he can't. quote So Gohan's base isn't so strong, the gap between Goku and Gohan from the Cell games is maintained, not expanded. Except it's stronger than MSSJ Goku and SSJ Goten/Trunks, whereas in manga it's the other way around. quote no, just no the statements that disprove #1 means that the LSSJ multiplier isn't even in the tens, never mind hundreds! What statements? quote still doesn't make him ssj3 tier, ssj3 goku could have done it even better Hey, but didn't you just say Broly was toying? In fact you said the opposite. Broly toys in his LSSJ form, but is serious in his SSJ form. quote prove that goku was ssj2 in the beam struggle Sure, why not. Spoiler:Goku and Gohan have spiky / defined hairs, Goten doens't. Last thing - Before you come up with some other shit, start from page 15 to see what's going on. I'm not gonna repeat the same shit again and again. It's clearly explained.
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G_O_G_E_T_A Vocare Ad Regnum (moderator) Dragonball total posts: 16075 since: May 2006	Apr 12, 12 at 10:04am ^ re: General Broly Debate Thread
	quote Brolyfanboy12 There is evidence presented that shows that Gohan & Goku both transformed into Ssj2 during the burst in order to break through Broly's ki ball when he was prevented from forcing it back by Trunks. Goku never used SSJ2 during that final ki struggle, none of them did. Not even Gohan as he was presumably too damaged and battle weary to be able to sustain it any more. quote Brolyfanboy12 I have a question for you though, what are your mutipliers for Ssj2 & Ssj3? Both 4x stronger than the previous transformation.
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tko_10xlegend dangerous total posts: 180 since: Oct 2011	Apr 14, 12 at 7:31pm ^ re: General Broly Debate Thread
	quote brolyeuphyfusion quote rahully2j I believe Broly is SSJ3 Tier State your reason why you believe that This guy and so of the rest of lounge get owned by rafman. i read some of the debates. his like the only person there has knows something about dbz there. the rest are idiots who follow one person arguements. like pak12345 or ussj trunks. there so stupid its not funny. just go back to lounge you joke. or go to youtube and follow all the dumb videos and broly haters there.
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brolyeuphyfusion the buttkicking master starting to like it total posts: 64 since: Apr 2012	Apr 15, 12 at 5:18am ^ re: General Broly Debate Thread
	quote tko_10xlegend quote brolyeuphyfusion quote rahully2j I believe Broly is SSJ3 Tier State your reason why you believe that This guy and so of the rest of lounge get owned by rafman. i read some of the debates. his like the only person there has knows something about dbz there. the rest are idiots who follow one person arguements. like pak12345 or ussj trunks. there so stupid its not funny. just go back to lounge you joke. or go to youtube and follow all the dumb videos and broly haters there. rafman? you mean the guy who believes that rssj broly>super perfect cell? you've got to be kidding broly haters? don't get me wrong, i like broly it's just that broly's power is being blown out of proportion you may have met people who think that broly>janemba his showings don't put him at ssj3 tier -------------------
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tko_10xlegend dangerous total posts: 180 since: Oct 2011	Apr 15, 12 at 6:18am ^ re: General Broly Debate Thread
	rafman? you mean the guy who believes that rssj broly>super perfect cell? you've got to be kidding his case on that is very strong and may be true. there more proof to put rssj>spc then to put spc > rssj. broly haters? don't get me wrong, i like broly it's just that broly's power is being blown out of proportion you may have met people who think that broly>janemba his showings don't put him at ssj3 tier [/quote] Trust me. tanking a kamehame form 2 ssj2 and ssj put broly on ssj3 tier and even beyond. and hammering a ssj2 better then both kid buu and janemba put him as ssj3 tier. there so much proof to put him there. no ssj2 is going to do what broly done, and even a ssj3 is not going to doe what broly done either. broly being ssj2 tier is plain dumb due to the fact he done things that no ssj2 can come close to doing
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