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XxSkelterXx “Dubito ergo cogito; cogito ergo sum. Permanently Plugged In total posts: 13265 since: Aug 2010	Nov 10, 11 at 7:49pm ^ re: How powerful is Majin Yakon and Majin Pui Pui? Have a character to compare with power.
	Log in to remove this sponsored message quote p123 Kaboom explained that issue rather nicely so hopefully he comes in an explains that. Anyway, why is Kaioshin's face all orgasmic looking when Goku is turning Ssj3 Skelter? He's not sensing Goku's ki right there? If Kaioshin is such a master at Ki sensing, why was he affraid for Vegeta when he fought Pocus? Going by their Ki's she should have known Vegeta>Pocus. He also should had known Ssj2 Gohan>Pocus and Yakon, yet he didn't. Why is that??
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xMakuux King of the Iron Fist. threadnought total posts: 649 since: Feb 2011	Nov 10, 11 at 7:55pm ^ re: How powerful is Majin Yakon and Majin Pui Pui? Have a character to compare with power.
	quote xxskelterxx If Kaioshin is such a master at Ki sensing, why was he affraid for Vegeta when he fought Pocus? Going by their Ki's she should have known Vegeta>Pocus. He also should had known Ssj2 Gohan>Pocus and Yakon, yet he didn't. Why is that?? Like I told that other guy you can't seriously use Kaioshin not knowing how strong Vegeta was before he started fighting as some kind of proof, that he can't sense ki. Let's not forget what we were taught in all the previous arcs; that characters have their ki hugely suppressed until actually fighting.
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XxSkelterXx “Dubito ergo cogito; cogito ergo sum. Permanently Plugged In total posts: 13265 since: Aug 2010	Nov 10, 11 at 8:05pm ^ re: How powerful is Majin Yakon and Majin Pui Pui? Have a character to compare with power.
	I never said Kaioshin can't sense Ki. What I said was that we can't trust power statements from a guy that has proven before he is not good at it. Goku and Gohan knew Vegeta would be fine. Why did they know that? Because they are very tuned with their ki sensing abilities. Kaioshin Should have known if Goku and Gohan knew. Kaioshin thought they all should gang up on 800 killis Yakon, when Ssj2 Gohan, which he "sensed" an hour prior should be way over that. Conclusion? Kaioshin can't sense ki for shit, so his power statements are moot.
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Ghostface Just bring it! threadnought total posts: 588 since: Apr 2011	Nov 10, 11 at 8:13pm ^ re: How powerful is Majin Yakon and Majin Pui Pui? Have a character to compare with power.
	quote xxskelterxx quote p123 Kaboom explained that issue rather nicely so hopefully he comes in an explains that. Anyway, why is Kaioshin's face all orgasmic looking when Goku is turning Ssj3 Skelter? He's not sensing Goku's ki right there? If Kaioshin is such a master at Ki sensing, why was he affraid for Vegeta when he fought Pocus? Going by their Ki's she should have known Vegeta>Pocus. He also should had known Ssj2 Gohan>Pocus and Yakon, yet he didn't. Why is that?? They were all suppressed. -------------------
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XxSkelterXx “Dubito ergo cogito; cogito ergo sum. Permanently Plugged In total posts: 13265 since: Aug 2010	Nov 10, 11 at 8:16pm ^ re: How powerful is Majin Yakon and Majin Pui Pui? Have a character to compare with power.
	Cop-out. Post a quote.
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xMakuux King of the Iron Fist. threadnought total posts: 649 since: Feb 2011	Nov 10, 11 at 8:25pm ^ re: How powerful is Majin Yakon and Majin Pui Pui? Have a character to compare with power.
	quote xxskelterxx I never said Kaioshin can't sense Ki. What I said was that we can't trust power statements from a guy that has proven before he is not good at it. Goku and Gohan knew Vegeta would be fine. Why did they know that? Because they had a basic idea of what Vegeta was capable of without needing to see him fight first, knowledge, Kaioshin wouldn't have because he wasn't around in the Cell Arc. quote Because they are very tuned with their ki sensing abilities. Nah. quote Kaioshin Should have known if Goku and Gohan knew. No. That's like saying Raditz should have known what a Namekian was, if Vegeta and Nappa knew. In short: terrible logic. quote Kaioshin thought they all should gang up on 800 killis Yakon, when Ssj2 Gohan, which he "sensed" an hour prior should be way over that. Conclusion? Kaioshin can't sense ki for shit, so his power statements are moot. While this is valid logic compared to before, personally I don't think any of Babidi's henchmen other than Vegeta(who wasn't completely controlled anyways) give off sensable ki.
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Ghostface Just bring it! threadnought total posts: 588 since: Apr 2011	Nov 10, 11 at 8:31pm ^ re: How powerful is Majin Yakon and Majin Pui Pui? Have a character to compare with power.
	quote xxskelterxx Cop-out. Post a quote. When they were all outside the ship, someone (hard to discern who because of the placement of the speech bubble) said to suppress their chi. Besides, Kaioshin didn't know of Cell, so he obviously didn't know of the Cell Games and the strength of the fighters there. Gohan's chi was the only chi he'd sensed himself. Goku and Vegeta were a mystery, besides being able to beat Freeza. He knew they were powerful, but not exactly where they would be. -------------------
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XxSkelterXx “Dubito ergo cogito; cogito ergo sum. Permanently Plugged In total posts: 13265 since: Aug 2010	Nov 10, 11 at 8:31pm ^ re: How powerful is Majin Yakon and Majin Pui Pui? Have a character to compare with power.
	Strawman, that's all I see. The point is If Kaioshin was any good at Ki sensing, he should have known Vegeta was above Pocus,should have known Gohan was above them as well. What is this About Babidi's henchmen not giving off any sensible Ki? Dabura, Majin Boo, and Majin Vegeta were sensed just fine...Goku knew Yamu and spopovitch were not regular humans because of their ki..
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Ghostface Just bring it! threadnought total posts: 588 since: Apr 2011	Nov 10, 11 at 8:32pm ^ re: How powerful is Majin Yakon and Majin Pui Pui? Have a character to compare with power.
	quote xxskelterxx Strawman, that's all I see. The point is If Kaioshin was any good at Ki sensing, he should have known Vegeta was above Pocus,should have known Gohan was above them as well. What is this About Babidi's henchmen not giving off any sensible Ki? Dabura, Majin Boo, and Majin Vegeta were sensed just fine...Goku knew Yamu and spopovitch were not regular humans because of their ki.. Chapter: 441 (DBZ 247), P4.4 Context: as Videl fights Spopovitch Goku: “Like I thought, that Spopovitch guy is weird…He seems too fine, despite the fact that he should have taken so much damage, and I can’t sense any life from him…” Note: ‘life’, in this case is seiki, written with the kanji for ‘life’ and ‘ki’. -------------------
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XxSkelterXx “Dubito ergo cogito; cogito ergo sum. Permanently Plugged In total posts: 13265 since: Aug 2010	Nov 10, 11 at 8:35pm ^ re: How powerful is Majin Yakon and Majin Pui Pui? Have a character to compare with power.
	If Yamu and Spopovitch were unsensable, Goku would have never said that, so the point still stands. Even if Yamu and Spopivitch were somehow beyond the realm of being sensed, Dabura, Majin Vegeta and Boo were sensed just fine.
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xMakuux King of the Iron Fist. threadnought total posts: 649 since: Feb 2011	Nov 10, 11 at 8:44pm ^ re: How powerful is Majin Yakon and Majin Pui Pui? Have a character to compare with power.
	quote xxskelterxx The point is If Kaioshin was any good at Ki sensing, he should have known Vegeta was above Pocus, So suppression of ki has nothing to do with it what so ever? quote What is this About Babidi's henchmen not giving off any sensible Ki? Dabura, Majin Boo, and Majin Vegeta were sensed just fine... Check all the quotes about Pui Pui, Yakon and Dabra and you'll notice they never once say anything about sensing their ki, instead they talk about their movements etc. Vegeta wasn't completely controlled anyways, so the fact that he could be sensed doesn't prove the above wrong anyways.
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XxSkelterXx “Dubito ergo cogito; cogito ergo sum. Permanently Plugged In total posts: 13265 since: Aug 2010	Nov 10, 11 at 8:50pm ^ re: How powerful is Majin Yakon and Majin Pui Pui? Have a character to compare with power.
	Be that as it may,Kaioshin has failed time and time again at sensing ki. You don't have to agree with me, but Im not chnagin my mind anytime soon. Kaioshin is horrible at sensing Ki. Believe all you want about supressed states, but after "sensing" Ssj2 Gohan, Pocus and Yakon shouldn't have scared him like that.
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xMakuux King of the Iron Fist. threadnought total posts: 649 since: Feb 2011	Nov 10, 11 at 9:00pm ^ re: How powerful is Majin Yakon and Majin Pui Pui? Have a character to compare with power.
	quote xxskelterxx Be that as it may,Kaioshin has failed time and time again at sensing ki. You don't have to agree with me, but Im not chnagin my mind anytime soon. So you still think Kaioshin should definetly have known base Vegeta was far beyond Pui Pui, before they even started fighting and the fact that he couldn't, absolutely proves that he is a godawful ki sensor? Even though Vegeta like everyone else was told to suppress his ki down to nothing, so there'd be no way for Kaioshin to know that Vegeta was >>>> Pui Pui until he actually saw him fighting or powering up? quote Kaioshin is horrible at sensing Ki. Believe all you want about supressed states, but after "sensing" Ssj2 Gohan, Pocus and Yakon shouldn't have scared him like that. You know I actually said earlier that this was valid logic, I just find your logic on Kaioshin not knowing Pui Pui <<<< base Vegeta horrendously bad due to aforementioned reasons.
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XxSkelterXx “Dubito ergo cogito; cogito ergo sum. Permanently Plugged In total posts: 13265 since: Aug 2010	Nov 10, 11 at 9:11pm ^ re: How powerful is Majin Yakon and Majin Pui Pui? Have a character to compare with power.
	Well, I believed they were both sensed. For all they knew, Pocus could be stronger than Cell. They were calmed because they knew Vegeta was in no danger, IMO of course.
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xMakuux King of the Iron Fist. threadnought total posts: 649 since: Feb 2011	Nov 10, 11 at 9:26pm ^ re: How powerful is Majin Yakon and Majin Pui Pui? Have a character to compare with power.
	Well they already knew Dabra was Babidi's strongest henchman, and after seeing him in action, they realized, he was nothing special. So, there's no reason for them to be worried about Pui Pui.
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