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p123 Permanently Plugged In total posts: 14137 since: Dec 2009	Aug 25, 11 at 11:50pm ^ re: SSJ3 Vegito (Z) VS Baby Vegeta (Oozaru Form)
	Log in to remove this sponsored message AT is nowhere near as bad as GT in regards to the Goku love fest. Goku runs early DB, but wasn't always strongest. Goku plays hero to save the day in Saiyan/ Freeza Saga Goku is not a huge part of Cell Saga Goku isn't a huge part of Buu Saga, but he gets the final fight which is reasonable. GT is all Goku, all the time..
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Kaboom s-e-e-k-e-r total posts: 1679 since: Mar 2011	Aug 26, 11 at 12:04am ^ re: SSJ3 Vegito (Z) VS Baby Vegeta (Oozaru Form)
	Exactly. Despite Goku being, y'know, the hero... the manga was balanced. Other characters got the spotlight every once in a while. Like you said, Goku wasn't always the strongest one, even when he did end up saving the day like with Majin Boo (and even then, it was a MASSIVE group effort). But with GT... Nope.
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CatouttaHell Unslaad krosis N'Somniac total posts: 4821 since: Mar 2011	Aug 26, 11 at 12:08am ^ re: SSJ3 Vegito (Z) VS Baby Vegeta (Oozaru Form)
	quote xMakuux The same SSJ Goku who later on couldn't match Super Buu? Look at the silly chain it creates: SSJ 3 Goku < Super Buu < Gohan < SSJ Goku < Super Buu. Yeah that's definitely contradictory. I guess if you think the Anime and Movie 13 go together that they already decided then that SSjin 3 Gotenks > Ultimate Gohan as well and that Evil Boo somehow also got ahead of Gohan. quote xMakuux Vegeta was in base. Gohan < base Vegeta? That's ridiculous, even by Toei standards. Nothing says that's impossible. It's no less ridiculous than SSjin Vegeta > Ultimate Gohan, especially considering Toei probably uses a really small SSjin multiplier. quote xMakuux I need some further elaboration on this. Gohan can't do a thing to Hildegarn but SSjin 3 Gotenks easily dominates until he transforms. quote Kaboom I mean, you end up with crap like this thread, where some people actually think that anyone, ever, would be a serious threat to Super Vegetto, much less Vegetto at freakin' Super Saiyan 3. And what exactly says that isn't possible? Why do you even click on GT threads if you hate them so much? Every time somebody makes a thread that suggests somebody can beat Vegetto you start ranting angrily about it.
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Kaboom s-e-e-k-e-r total posts: 1679 since: Mar 2011	Aug 26, 11 at 12:17am ^ re: SSJ3 Vegito (Z) VS Baby Vegeta (Oozaru Form)
	quote CatouttaHell Why do you even click on GT threads if you hate them so much? Every time somebody makes a thread that suggests somebody can beat Vegetto you start ranting angrily about it. I'll remind you again that my Vegetto-fanboyism is only MOSTLY serious. A decent-sized chunk of it is just me amusing myself. But still, I call bullcrap when I sees bullcrap. And Toei's Goku-whoring ideas in GT are nothing but.
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xMakuux King of the Iron Fist. threadnought total posts: 649 since: Feb 2011	Aug 26, 11 at 12:30am ^ re: SSJ3 Vegito (Z) VS Baby Vegeta (Oozaru Form)
	quote CatouttaHell Gohan can't do a thing to Hildegarn but SSjin 3 Gotenks easily dominates until he transforms. When it comes to fight scenes I always take a proper look at the circumstances, instead of just going: "Oh seems like Gotenks is doing more than Gohan, he must be far stronger than him!" When Gohan fought Hildegarn, the monster kept "teleporting" away from his attacks and then grabbed him with his hand, which Gohan seemingly couldn't break out of, but it wasn't like he got significantly damaged. When Gotenks attacked, Hildegarn didn't teleport around, but dodged normally and was therefore too slow to keep up with Gotenks. Due to the difference in how Hildegarn fought the two(he used more of his tricks against Gohan), I cannot buy Gohan < SSJ 3 Gotenks. And Vegeta blasting Hildegarn's hand, causing him to let go of Gohan doesn't mean that he was stronger than Gohan.
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CatouttaHell Unslaad krosis N'Somniac total posts: 4821 since: Mar 2011	Aug 26, 11 at 12:40am ^ re: SSJ3 Vegito (Z) VS Baby Vegeta (Oozaru Form)
	quote xMakuux When it comes to fight scenes I always take a proper look at the circumstances, instead of just going: "Oh seems like Gotenks is doing more than Gohan, he must be far stronger than him!" When Gohan fought Hildegarn, the monster kept "teleporting" away from his attacks and then grabbed him with his hand, which Gohan seemingly couldn't break out of, but it wasn't like he got significantly damaged. When Gotenks attacked, Hildegarn didn't teleport around, but dodged normally and was therefore too slow to keep up with Gotenks. Due to the difference in how Hildegarn fought the two, I cannot buy Gohan < SSJ 3 Gotenks. To each their own; I just can't see Hildegarn ever having to transform against Gohan. Regardless of what a powerhouse he was in the canon world he was treated like nothing throughout the whole fight. They even try to imply Videl is on his level. quote xMakuux And Vegeta blasting Hildegarn's hand, causing him to let go of Gohan doesn't mean that he was stronger than Gohan. He didn't even bother going SSjin 2 against the guy who Gohan couldn't do anything. He was fully confident that he could take on the guy who Gohan could do nothing against in just his SSjin form.
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XxSkelterXx “Dubito ergo cogito; cogito ergo sum. Permanently Plugged In total posts: 13265 since: Aug 2010	Aug 26, 11 at 12:42am ^ re: SSJ3 Vegito (Z) VS Baby Vegeta (Oozaru Form)
	I thought Vegeta was ssj2.
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Kaboom s-e-e-k-e-r total posts: 1679 since: Mar 2011	Aug 26, 11 at 12:51am ^ re: SSJ3 Vegito (Z) VS Baby Vegeta (Oozaru Form)
	Yeah, it's pretty much impossible to tell for Vegeta in Movie 12 or 13 because, as usual, Toei doesn't stick to the aura-based visual properties of the forms from the manga. The only reason we can identify Goku as an SSj2 in either one is because of his hair, but we don't have that luxury with Vegeta. It's usually assumed he was an SSj2, because... well, there's no reason he wouldn't be.
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p123 Permanently Plugged In total posts: 14137 since: Dec 2009	Aug 26, 11 at 12:53am ^ re: SSJ3 Vegito (Z) VS Baby Vegeta (Oozaru Form)
	Videl M12 = Manga Video TOEI fights are just silly..
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xMakuux King of the Iron Fist. threadnought total posts: 649 since: Feb 2011	Aug 26, 11 at 1:09am ^ re: SSJ3 Vegito (Z) VS Baby Vegeta (Oozaru Form)
	quote CatouttaHell To each their own; I just can't see Hildegarn ever having to transform against Gohan. Regardless of what a powerhouse he was in the canon world he was treated like nothing throughout the whole fight. The bad guy going to greater lengths to dodge Gohan's attacks than Gotenks' implies otherwise IMHO. quote They even try to imply Videl is on his level. I don't see how. Gohan was at the very least able to beat up Hildegarns legs. What did Videl do, that implies she's so strong? quote He didn't even bother going SSjin 2 against the guy who Gohan couldn't do anything. He was fully confident that he could take on the guy who Gohan could do nothing against in just his SSjin form. Refer to Movie 12, where Vegeta tries to take on Janemba fully confident in himself. I doubt you'll honestly start claiming SSJ 3 Goku < SSJ 1/2 Vegeta as well.
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p123 Permanently Plugged In total posts: 14137 since: Dec 2009	Aug 26, 11 at 2:00am ^ re: SSJ3 Vegito (Z) VS Baby Vegeta (Oozaru Form)
	I can't believe GT didn't give Vegeta Ssj3. What a bunch of haters...
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XxSkelterXx “Dubito ergo cogito; cogito ergo sum. Permanently Plugged In total posts: 13265 since: Aug 2010	Aug 26, 11 at 2:06am ^ re: SSJ3 Vegito (Z) VS Baby Vegeta (Oozaru Form)
	Why would Gt give Vegeta Super Saiyan 3? That's Old news, and Vegeta having Super Saiyan 3 is nothing because of Super Saiyan 4..He would still get owned IMO.
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p123 Permanently Plugged In total posts: 14137 since: Dec 2009	Aug 26, 11 at 2:08am ^ re: SSJ3 Vegito (Z) VS Baby Vegeta (Oozaru Form)
	Still, it's possible he had it at the end of z, and why not? If your going to make Base Goku > Kid Buu, why not just a tiny bit of love to Vegeta?
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XxSkelterXx “Dubito ergo cogito; cogito ergo sum. Permanently Plugged In total posts: 13265 since: Aug 2010	Aug 26, 11 at 2:11am ^ re: SSJ3 Vegito (Z) VS Baby Vegeta (Ooizaru Form)
	I don't know. I guess because Vegeta is one obnoxious asshole that does not deserve any love?? Lol
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p123 Permanently Plugged In total posts: 14137 since: Dec 2009	Aug 26, 11 at 2:14am ^ re: SSJ3 Vegito (Z) VS Baby Vegeta (Oozaru Form)
	Haha. I would do GT so different. The first episode would be Vegeta turning into Ssj3 if I did it. I probably should get back on my fan fic... I still don't have a villain though, it was always too hard to try and top Buu... No villian, no nothing. I probably would just do it to show what's going on in their lives kind of episode... Probably finish it with Ssj3 Vegeta vs Ssj3 Goku and Uub = Kid Buu or something like that...
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