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CatouttaHell Unslaad krosis N'Somniac total posts: 4821 since: Mar 2011	Aug 27, 11 at 7:17pm ^ re: SSJ Gogeta VS Super Buu [Gotenks-Piccolo Absorbed]
	Log in to remove this sponsored message Vegeta didn't go from 18,000 to the billions using a magical power-up, while Gohan did. Definitely makes sense of GT. The GT Perfect Files itself (which I assume had great Toei involvement) says Gohan didn't neglect his training. If he didn't lose his power-up then you have: Base Goku >>> SSjin Gohan >>> Base Gohan >>> Ultimate Gohan, which is insane.
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p123 Permanently Plugged In total posts: 14125 since: Dec 2009	Aug 27, 11 at 7:22pm ^ re: SSJ Gogeta VS Super Buu [Gotenks-Piccolo Absorbed]
	There may be a case for losing your body, means losing your power up. Considering Gohan and Vegeta both lost their bodies, and both became irrelevant, I don't know. Ah, don't forget Goku asked if he should bring Gotenks and Gohan COH... That doesn't really imply Gohan lost his power up at all...
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XxSkelterXx “Dubito ergo cogito; cogito ergo sum. Permanently Plugged In total posts: 13256 since: Aug 2010	Aug 27, 11 at 7:24pm ^ re: SSJ Gogeta VS Super Buu [Gotenks-Piccolo Absorbed]
	GT is irrelevant. I don't care for it, and it does not belong in DBZ debate. Gohan's ki was re-arranged, his transformations taken away. If Emma can build Vegeta a new body with 2 Super Saiyan transformations, why can't he build Gohan a body with all his power unlocked? There is no evidence Gohan lost it..
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CatouttaHell Unslaad krosis N'Somniac total posts: 4821 since: Mar 2011	Aug 27, 11 at 7:38pm ^ re: SSJ Gogeta VS Super Buu [Gotenks-Piccolo Absorbed]
	I don't know if much can be taken from that Gotenks/Gohan statement to be honest. Gohan had just been returned to life and Goku would have no way of knowing if he lost his power-up. He also uses "ya" in that statement which implies he means "Gotenks, Gohan, and the others" and obviously any others would be even more useless than Gohan without the power-up...
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XxSkelterXx “Dubito ergo cogito; cogito ergo sum. Permanently Plugged In total posts: 13256 since: Aug 2010	Aug 27, 11 at 7:45pm ^ re: SSJ Gogeta VS Super Buu [Gotenks-Piccolo Absorbed]
	Sorry. Not nearly enough evidence for me. You want to believe Gohan lost the power up go ahead, We will agree to disagree
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p123 Permanently Plugged In total posts: 14125 since: Dec 2009	Aug 27, 11 at 7:50pm ^ re: SSJ Gogeta VS Super Buu [Gotenks-Piccolo Absorbed]
	For a guy like you, who using the Daiz so strictly, I would def do it. That way you can make Gohan as strong as you want, and not worry about it. Plus it makes GT make a hell of a lot more sense as well..
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CatouttaHell Unslaad krosis N'Somniac total posts: 4821 since: Mar 2011	Aug 27, 11 at 7:57pm ^ re: SSJ Gogeta VS Super Buu [Gotenks-Piccolo Absorbed]
	Agreed. It's finally possible to do GT without ungodly massive haxes and not ignoring the guidebooks if Gohan simply lost his power-up. Base Goku >>>> SSjin Goten = Base Gohan >>> Ultimate Gohan is atrocious. I might bump Gotenks up a lot now. I tried to keep small gaps between Gotenks and Goku to make all of the Oob/Pure Boo/Son Goku > everybody else implications work. If Gohan simply lost his power-up it's possible to have Gotenks and co insanely powerful as they are suggested to be and still make the Goku is number one (among non-fused characters) implications work.
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p123 Permanently Plugged In total posts: 14125 since: Dec 2009	Aug 27, 11 at 8:02pm ^ re: SSJ Gogeta VS Super Buu [Gotenks-Piccolo Absorbed]
	I might even be thinking of throwing out Base Goku > SSJ Goten/Gohan. They smile after being beaten out of SSJ, and go to attack in Base afterwards confidently... I think taking the Base feats too seriously is the worst thing to do with TOEI.
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CatouttaHell Unslaad krosis N'Somniac total posts: 4821 since: Mar 2011	Aug 27, 11 at 8:10pm ^ re: SSJ Gogeta VS Super Buu [Gotenks-Piccolo Absorbed]
	They said they wanted to have some fun until "the gentleman" (Baby) arrives so maybe they weren't trying their hardest because they didn't want to accidentally kill him and get Baby mad? In Toei World you constantly have people massively suppressed in a battle for no reason. The gap between Goku and Vegeta could be a LOT smaller than it seems if you think: 1. Gohan-Baby against Vegeta was powered up from having Baby inside him. 2. Gohan and Goten didn't try his hardest against Goku. 3. Vegeta used less than half of his SSjin power against Gohan and Goten until the very end.
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p123 Permanently Plugged In total posts: 14125 since: Dec 2009	Aug 27, 11 at 8:23pm ^ re: SSJ Gogeta VS Super Buu [Gotenks-Piccolo Absorbed]
	Haha for real. Hey, let's suppress our power to nothing, Yea Why Not! I didn't know that was stated! That's huge. Base Goku > SSJs is not neccessary then...
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DealerG high on "N" total posts: 746 since: Jun 2011	Aug 27, 11 at 8:49pm ^ re: SSJ Gogeta VS Super Buu [Gotenks-Piccolo Absorbed]
	quote Son Gokuh quote DealerG P, what you've posted shows that Goku was considering atleast Ssj with a Gokhan (metamoran) since Gokhan (potora) is stated to be greater. In fact, by Kabitoshins expodential growth, I highly doubt Goku was expecting to use just Ssj as Gokhan (metamora). And coincidentally, Gogeta - 4,400,000,000 > Msj - 110,000,000,000 > Mssj - 220,000,000,000 > Ssj2 - 440,000,000,000 > Ssj3 - 1,760,000,000,000 Gotenks - 2,165,000,000 > Msj - 54,125,000,000 > Mssj - 108,250,000,000 > (Ssj2 - 216,500,000,000) > Ssj3 - 866,000,000,000 Super Buu - 831,000,000,000 > W/ Gotenks - 1,700,000,000,000 > W/ Gohan - 2,120,000,000,000 Gohan - 1,285,000,000,000 Vegito - 90,000,000,000 > Msj - 2,250,000,000,000 > Mssj - 4,500,000,000,000 Wait. Shouldn't base Vegito at least be near Ultimate Gohan's pl? Jesus, man. Gohan - 1,285,000,000,000 Vegito - 90,000,000,000 > Msj - 2,250,000,000,000 > Mssj - 4,500,000,000,000
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CatouttaHell Unslaad krosis N'Somniac total posts: 4821 since: Mar 2011	Aug 27, 11 at 9:07pm ^ re: SSJ Gogeta VS Super Buu [Gotenks-Piccolo Absorbed]
	There's no basis for Base Vegetto's power outside of the Anime. He can be as low as you want as long as it contradicts nothing. I personally have him in the quintillions and above everyone but Gohan-Boo. quote p123 Haha for real. Hey, let's suppress our power to nothing, Yea Why Not! I didn't know that was stated! That's huge. Base Goku > SSJs is not neccessary then... It's also possible that Goten and Gohan aren't horribly far apart and that SSjin Goten held back greatly at first and used his real SSjin power in the end, instead of SSjin 2. I don't think the gap between Goku and the others should be as massive as some random scenes suggest. SSjin Goku had trouble with Mutchi-Mutchi and Trunks (unknown if SSjin and base) killed him by catching him off guard with a charged Ki attack. I just don't see that being even remotely possible if Base Goku >>> SSjin Gohan >>> SSjin Trunks
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p123 Permanently Plugged In total posts: 14125 since: Dec 2009	Aug 27, 11 at 10:17pm ^ re: SSJ Gogeta VS Super Buu [Gotenks-Piccolo Absorbed]
	Yea this sounds good... I also am using a 2.5x boost for GT SSJs, so I don't think the gaps will be tremendous. Give Vegeta 75% of Goku for Cell Games , Buu Saga , and GT IMO. Keep Teen Gohan to Vegeta ratio the same as in the Buu Saga. And heck keep all the gaps the same why not?
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CatouttaHell Unslaad krosis N'Somniac total posts: 4821 since: Mar 2011	Aug 27, 11 at 10:35pm ^ re: SSJ Gogeta VS Super Buu [Gotenks-Piccolo Absorbed]
	Agreed. Boo arc gaps seems good. Nothing indicates anybody trained more than anybody else. All we know is Goten and Trunks slacked off and for all we know the gaps with them stayed the same too simply because they're prodigies and just got that much more out of the small training they did do.
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p123 Permanently Plugged In total posts: 14125 since: Dec 2009	Aug 27, 11 at 10:37pm ^ re: SSJ Gogeta VS Super Buu [Gotenks-Piccolo Absorbed]
	Hmm, this might come out decent... Your Base x Base is going to ruin the gaps, no way to twist that?
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