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XxSkelterXx “Dubito ergo cogito; cogito ergo sum. Permanently Plugged In total posts: 13268 since: Aug 2010	May 01, 12 at 1:43pm ^ re: Base Goten and Trunks (Pre) vs. Piccolo
	Log in to remove this sponsored message Sure, and maybe Oolong has some saiyan ancestry, and he had the ability to go Super Saiyan 3 all along,and kill Fat Boo. I mean, how can you prove me wrong?? You can't. But if I want to convince you, it would be my job to find evidence...Try all you want, but you can't prove me wrong.. Just like I can't prove that the boys don't have Ssj2, but if you want me to believe that, you need to provide some evidence..Something other than it could be true..As far as im concerned, the boys are worlds below the adults UNTIL you prove other-wise.
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SgtMartin Kicking butt since 2004 true seeker (2K Remix) total posts: 2068 since: Dec 2010	May 01, 12 at 2:42pm ^ re: Base Goten and Trunks (Pre) vs. Piccolo
	You know when Gotenks split back into the boys, why didn't they go ssj2 if they had it? They were scared of super buu which I understand. However ssj2 > Piccolo. It was due or die time. If AT didn't make buu go to sleep than we would have found out how power they were. To me it hints that they are still only ssj.
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super michael feel the power of the Millennium Items Hooked on Neo total posts: 4129 since: May 2005	May 01, 12 at 2:44pm ^ re: Base Goten and Trunks (Pre) vs. Piccolo
	quote XxSkelterXx Sure, and maybe Oolong has some saiyan ancestry, and he had the ability to go Super Saiyan 3 all along,and kill Fat Boo. I mean, how can you prove me wrong?? You can't. But if I want to convince you, it would be my job to find evidence...Try all you want, but you can't prove me wrong.. Just like I can't prove that the boys don't have Ssj2, but if you want me to believe that, you need to provide some evidence..Something other than it could be true..As far as im concerned, the boys are worlds below the adults UNTIL you prove other-wise. I see, I guess I didn't realize I was taking the wrong approach to prove how strong goten and trunks are after ROSAT, thanks for explaining. I know 6 or 7 days in ROSAT doesn't seem much, but the amount of time isn't as important, proven when vegeta and trunks trained in ROSAT for 2 years but yet are world below of goku and gohan who only trained for 8 months. Goten and trunks had the motivation to avenge their parents/family death so that mean that goten and trunk will train their maximum capacity in both fused and unfused. The most I can prove is that goten and trunks powered up a lot, but as for goten and trunks having SSJ2, I can't prove they have SSJ2. The most we see about goten and trunk in ROSAT is that they couldn't wait to start training in ROSAT, they wanted to train as soon as possible when they were inside. ------------------- super smash bros brawl friend code, 4554-1399-8625 mike.
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XxSkelterXx “Dubito ergo cogito; cogito ergo sum. Permanently Plugged In total posts: 13268 since: Aug 2010	May 01, 12 at 3:20pm ^ re: Base Goten and Trunks (Pre) vs. Piccolo
	Well yah, that was my point. All we can prove is that whatever gains the boys did, Gotenks was the one that benefited the most..Even Piccolo said small gains for boys equate huge power-up for Gotenks.
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super michael feel the power of the Millennium Items Hooked on Neo total posts: 4129 since: May 2005	May 01, 12 at 3:40pm ^ re: Base Goten and Trunks (Pre) vs. Piccolo
	True we can say gotenks benefited the most from the whole training in power, but we can't say that goten and trunk didn't benefit anything. I try to make an estimate, a fair estimate on how strong I think goten and trunks are, I now think that goten and trunks are probably around 50% MSSJ goku, that seems like a fair estimate since that would mean that goten and trunks are world below goku from cell game. Is goten and trunk comparable to MSSJ goku 50% from cell game? A 2x time gap is still a huge gap. ------------------- super smash bros brawl friend code, 4554-1399-8625 mike.
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SSJ Ranulf just getting started! total posts: 129 since: Nov 2011	May 01, 12 at 10:53pm ^ re: Base Goten and Trunks (Pre) vs. Piccolo
	quote Kaboom It was just a random thought. I don't think Piccolo really rivals Gohan, but I still don't think the kids compare so highly to him either. Super Saiyan Gohan, Goku, and Vegeta are all up in a league of their own, even if Gohan's now lagging behind the other two. Even still, they have further depths of power (that being SSj2 and SSj3) which, any way you slice it, would make even Piccolo and Kaioshin seem like "trash" compared to them if anyone were capable of peeking at those depths. But this has all been debated many times before, so I'll leave it at that. The Majin Boo arc is a headache no matter which angle you're approaching it from. /Thread. This is a place were there are multiple valid interpretations based on how you read the manga. I go for SSJ Kids >>>>>>> Piccolo >>> Base Kids, with the Saiyans spread around there (Piccolo above Gohan, close to Vegeta, and much weaker than Goku). But I certainly think that many other opinions are possibly and valid.
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KaijuKai starting to like it total posts: 74 since: Apr 2012	May 01, 12 at 11:14pm ^ re: Base Goten and Trunks (Pre) vs. Piccolo
	Kinda always saw it like this 1. Ssj pre = semi perfect cell. Maybe full power. 2. Piccolo at cell games = kids ssj pre 3. Ssj post kids = to just under goku at cell games, maybe teen ssj gohan 4. Piccolo (buu) = suppressed perfect cell? Maybe perfect cell
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Cocoman s-e-e-k-e-r total posts: 1614 since: Jul 2011	May 02, 12 at 6:45am ^ re: Base Goten and Trunks (Pre) vs. Piccolo
	quote XxSkelterXx quote Cocoman But Kaboom the reasoning behind the kids rivalling SSjin Gohan doesn't come from them simply 'impressing' Gohan. It comes from Gohan having to put in what appears to be the utmost effort to just block Gotens' hits. And?? Goku gave Cell a hard time even though Goku is worlds below Cell. Gohan's sparring, he is not trying to KO his little Brother....It's obvious Gohan is not at full power. The fact is that the kids can't tank number 18.. They think the mighty mask costume is a handicap. Why is that? Because it's hard to move in. Why do they need to move?? because they can't tank 18. Super Vegeta tanked a punch by imperfect Cell at full power. Gohan, while weaker than his kid self, should still be able to one-shot Super Vegeta, thus Gohan can sit there and tank 18, while the kids can't...That's a huge gap... Lol this silly argument again. How about Goten doesn't want to k.o his big brother eh? Oh and Cell was suppressed if you didn't get the memo while nothing suggests Gohan was suppressed whatsoever. The kids were in a costume that restricted their movements dramatically. That means they effectively couldn't get the most out of their power and speed thus c18 could keep surprise attacking them. Hell c18 surprise attacked them before and she would probably keep doing so. Gohan can't tank the kids' hits and needs to put in the utmost effort to block them. Go figure. quote quote Cocoman Like I have seen Goten and Trunks being put as low as imperfect Cell They still aren't strong enough to tank 18, that makes them weaker than Piccolo.. Lol this is funny. Nothing suggests they can't tank c18's attacks. It is only suggested they couldn't actually win in the suit. All that means is that c18 could just run circles around them because Goten was effectively the bottom half of the body and didn't have a clue what was going on. quote quote Cocoman Anyway Piccolo is blown away by the kids' full powers at the lookout. Piccolo's experession is identical to Vegeta's when he reads Goku's 8000 power level.. Does that mean 8000 GOKU>>>18000 Vegeta?? I didn't think so.. How is that even a valid comparison? Vegeta wasn't even that blown away. And the thing you are really out on is that Goku was a lower class warrior so of course he was going to be shocked that he was so powerful. Piccolo was just flat out blown away. No 'ifs' or 'buts' about it. Simple.
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Super Vegetto dangerous total posts: 198 since: Mar 2012	May 02, 12 at 9:12am ^ re: Base Goten and Trunks (Pre) vs. Piccolo
	Cell games: Super sayians > SSJ kids pre > Piccolo = ASSJ Cell saga > SSJ Cell saga > Piccolo Android saga = Base adults Cell games > Piccolo Buu saga > Base kids pre Buu saga : Piccolo > Base kids pre Base Goku, Vegeta, Gohan > Piccolo SSJ kids Pre > Piccolo Base kids post > Base Adults > Piccolo SSJ kids post > SSJ adults Base kids Pre are probably around Super saiyans from Android saga. SSJ kids are probably on ASSJ Vegeta = ASSJ Trunks power. Piccolo post Rosat is probably around ASSJ Vegeta = ASSJ Trunks Cell saga power. Base kids post are above adults and Piccolo imo. They are stated to get dramatic incrise and i use the potential power they poses. Example : Goku and Gohan reach limit in SSJ during Cell saga, yet its Gohan > Goku... Goten showed to give trouble to Gohan in panel moments before world tournament, which is way the potential power they poses is huge without so much training. Trunks hits Vegeta but his speed gived him actualy chance to hit guy that train 7 years. Another reason is that they proggres fast and probably even faster ( like Gohan in time chamber ) so until world tournament Goten starts giving Gohan some trouble imo. Time chamber is yust to much incrise for them imo.
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XxSkelterXx “Dubito ergo cogito; cogito ergo sum. Permanently Plugged In total posts: 13268 since: Aug 2010	May 02, 12 at 10:12am ^ re: Base Goten and Trunks (Pre) vs. Piccolo
	quote Cocoman Lol this silly argument again. How about Goten doesn't want to k.o his big brother eh? Haha at Ssj Goten knocking out SSJ2 Gohan... quote Cocoman Oh and Cell was suppressed if you didn't get the memo while nothing suggests Gohan was suppressed whatsoever. Except that Gohan's full power is Ssj2, and he didn't use it. That right there proves that Gohan didn't go all out, If Goten is his rival, why didn't Gohan go Ssj2?? What makes you think that if he decides to Hold back his full power, why would he not hold back some of his Ssj power?? quote Cocoman The kids were in a costume that restricted their movements dramatically. Why the need to move if they can just stand there and tank everything?? Would Ssj Goku and Vegeta in that costume feel hindered as well?? quote Cocoman That means they effectively couldn't get the most out of their power and speed thus c18 could keep surprise attacking them. Hell c18 surprise attacked them before and she would probably keep doing so. Again, would such a costume hinder Goku and Vegeta to the point they feel they are at a disadvantage?? quote Cocoman Gohan can't tank the kids' hits and needs to put in the utmost effort to block them. Go figure. Yah, If Super Vegeta can tank Semi-cell at full power, why couldn't Gohan tank kids that can't tank a much weaker 18?? Ssj2 Vegeta tapped Goten and Trunks, and they passed out. What makes you think Ssj2 Gohan couldn't do the same?? Yah, Go figure.. quote Cocoman How is that even a valid comparison? Vegeta wasn't even that blown away. Shall we compare?? OK then.. http://www.manga-access.com/manga/D/Dragon_Ball/chapter/222/3 Here is Vegeta,.. Here is Piccolo http://www.manga-access.com/manga/D/Dragon_Ball/chapter/474/2 Almost Identical, so I suppose that going by looks, Kids> Piccolo.. and 8000 Goku>>18000 Vegeta..great argument. quote Cocoman Piccolo was just flat out blown away. No 'ifs' or 'buts' about it. Simple. So Piccolo couldn't have been shocked that these 2 kids were so strong? How come is Ok for Vegeta to be shocked at lower class Goku being that strong, but when Piccolo has the same Oh shit moment means he was surpassed?? There is no evidence he was blown away like you say. Unless you think Vegeta was blown away by a much weaker Goku?? Well, I rest my case..
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super michael feel the power of the Millennium Items Hooked on Neo total posts: 4129 since: May 2005	May 02, 12 at 11:18am ^ re: Base Goten and Trunks (Pre) vs. Piccolo
	quote XxSkelterXx Haha at Ssj Goten knocking out SSJ2 Gohan... Even I have to agree with you, there no way that SSJ goten can beat SSJ1 gohan, let alone SSJ2. quote XxSkelterXx Except that Gohan's full power is Ssj2, and he didn't use it. That right there proves that Gohan didn't go all out, If Goten is his rival, why didn't Gohan go Ssj2?? What makes you think that if he decides to Hold back his full power, why would he not hold back some of his Ssj power?? Gohan power might be SSJ2, but he can't use SSJ2 at will as shown against dabura and babidi. But that doesn't change that gohan is still stronger even as SSJ1 and more skillful. quote XxSkelterXx Why the need to move if they can just stand there and tank everything?? Would Ssj Goku and Vegeta in that costume feel hindered as well?? Goku, gohan and vegeta wouldn't need to move since they can tank, but just because they can tank doesn't mean they aren't hindered in movement. quote XxSkelterXx Again, would such a costume hinder Goku and Vegeta to the point they feel they are at a disadvantage?? Depends, if goku and vegeta have to move to C18 then yes they are at disadvantage since C18 can just shoot ki blast and fight long range. But if goku and vegeta tanks everything and C18 gets close to goku and vegeta then goku and vegeta win easy. ------------------- super smash bros brawl friend code, 4554-1399-8625 mike.
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XxSkelterXx “Dubito ergo cogito; cogito ergo sum. Permanently Plugged In total posts: 13268 since: Aug 2010	May 02, 12 at 11:47am ^ re: Base Goten and Trunks (Pre) vs. Piccolo
	quote super michael Even I have to agree with you, there no way that SSJ goten can beat SSJ1 gohan, let alone SSJ2. Well, that's what Cocoman implied. quote super michael Gohan power might be SSJ2, but he can't use SSJ2 at will as shown against dabura and babidi. But that doesn't change that gohan is still stronger even as SSJ1 and more skillful. Gohan was able to go Ssj2 against Kibito with no problem at all...To each his own on this one though... quote super michael Goku, gohan and vegeta wouldn't need to move since they can tank, but just because they can tank doesn't mean they aren't hindered in movement. That's what it means, Even with Ssj, they are at a disadvantage with the costume on..I dont think Goku and Vegeta would have the same problem, thus the boys and the adults are worlds appart IMO.. quote super michael Depends, if goku and vegeta have to move to C18 then yes they are at disadvantage since C18 can just shoot ki blast and fight long range. But if goku and vegeta tanks everything and C18 gets close to goku and vegeta then goku and vegeta win easy. Goku and Vegeta wouldn't need to move. They are powerful enough to sit there and take everything 18 throws at them. The kids aren't..
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super michael feel the power of the Millennium Items Hooked on Neo total posts: 4129 since: May 2005	May 02, 12 at 1:14pm ^ re: Base Goten and Trunks (Pre) vs. Piccolo
	quote XxSkelterXx Gohan was able to go Ssj2 against Kibito with no problem at all...To each his own on this one though... Yes this part is kind of a mystery, gohan turns SSJ2 infront of kibito who is no threat, but against dabura and buu he doesn't. Gohan in the budokai make it sound like he can turn SSJ2 willing but against the big threats he didn't, makes no sense. quote XxSkelterXx That's what it means, Even with Ssj, they are at a disadvantage with the costume on..I dont think Goku and Vegeta would have the same problem, thus the boys and the adults are worlds appart IMO.. I agree with you there, the boys Pre ROSAT and the adult saiyans are world apart from each other, no way can goten and trunk pre ROSAT even last a fight against the adults. quote XxSkelterXx Goku and Vegeta wouldn't need to move. They are powerful enough to sit there and take everything 18 throws at them. The kids aren't.. So you mean that goku and vegeta would tank everything including every ki blast attacks and amplified attacks? I guess your right, goku and vegeta are capable of that, something that Pre ROSAT goten and trunk couldn't do. I believe the only attack which C18 can kill goku and vegeta is the kienza, but only kienza. ------------------- super smash bros brawl friend code, 4554-1399-8625 mike.
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XxSkelterXx “Dubito ergo cogito; cogito ergo sum. Permanently Plugged In total posts: 13268 since: Aug 2010	May 02, 12 at 3:23pm ^ re: Base Goten and Trunks (Pre) vs. Piccolo
	quote super michael Yes this part is kind of a mystery, gohan turns SSJ2 infront of kibito who is no threat, but against dabura and buu he doesn't. Gohan in the budokai make it sound like he can turn SSJ2 willing but against the big threats he didn't, makes no sense. I think Kaboom's theory makes sense here..Gohan needs time to transform. Kibito just stood there and let Gohan transform. Boo and Dabra wont just stand there and let him transform. quote super michael I agree with you there, the boys Pre ROSAT and the adult saiyans are world apart from each other, no way can goten and trunk pre ROSAT even last a fight against the adults. Pre, or Post I think the kids get pounded..But that's just my opinion.. quote super michael I believe the only attack which C18 can kill goku and vegeta is the kienza, but only kienza. I dont think so, but again, thats just my opinion.
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super michael feel the power of the Millennium Items Hooked on Neo total posts: 4129 since: May 2005	May 02, 12 at 3:41pm ^ re: Base Goten and Trunks (Pre) vs. Piccolo
	quote XxSkelterXx I think Kaboom's theory makes sense here..Gohan needs time to transform. Kibito just stood there and let Gohan transform. Boo and Dabra wont just stand there and let him transform. Sounds very good this theory, it make sense that the bad guys won't let gohan take his time powering up. quote XxSkelterXx Pre, or Post I think the kids get pounded..But that's just my opinion.. I was comparing Pre ROSAT the one that actually thought with C18 along with the adult saiyans. I believe that POST ROSAT goten and trunks SSJ are about 50% MSSJ goku from cell games, which means that goku in buu saga 100% can tank anything goten and trunks throw. I think Cell game MSSJ goku 100% can tank anything goten and trunk throw in their SSJ form. quote XxSkelterXx I dont think so, but again, thats just my opinion. Well we never saw the limit of the kienza, the only thing we know is that the kienza can kill opponent many times stronger like krillen vs frieza 2nd form. Frieza 2nd form is many times stronger than krillen, yet krillen kienza can kill frieza. ------------------- super smash bros brawl friend code, 4554-1399-8625 mike.
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