Why do people think Earthlings/Base Saiya-jins never surpassed 100%/50% Freeza?

Holy cow, it's so odd seeing COH's opinions from this far back. Lol.

quote astrallite

Goku was sufficiently surprised when Kaioshin stated he could fell Freeza in one blow that would imply that the Base Saiyan's were a ways off.

The troll is heavy with this one.

quote rahully2j

we should all take this route -

100% frieza >>> base gotenks >>>>> base saiyans.

It works perfectly fine.

Yeah, as long as we raise the multiplier to 500x.

I go with the author's intent, not something he was forced into by his own silliness!

SSjin Vegeta, after having a crapload of Ki drained for his little experiment (stated to be the cause), still used minimal effort to rip #19's hands off and then toasted him with the Big Bang Attack. #19 (post) is maybe 50-55% of Vegeta IMO. #20 (post) could feasibly fit in at 60-65% then, which would worry Vegeta if he'd gotten even more Ki from Piccolo.

I agree.^ (with Goku9001)

p123, didn't Gohan get sent back just as far as Vegeta against Cell? I remember their situations being similar...

quote Goku9001

^ Doesn't mean we can't ignore the other implications. The chain is: SSJ Vegeta >= SSJ Goku > SSJ Trunks >=< Piccolo >> 20 (Post-Piccolo) and we also have SSJ Weakened Vegeta > 19 (Post-Vegeta)

It's much bigger than what the tank is implying.

I'd have Trunks stronger than Piccolo. After the fight with the androids, Piccolo regarded Trunks as superior when Krillin was on his guilt trip.