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Kaboom s-e-e-k-e-r total posts: 1687 since: Mar 2011	May 08, 11 at 3:35pm ^ re: Does anyone notice in the Remastered Version
	Log in to remove this sponsored message quote rocky_jbpe Had you seen what he did to Cell, you would see that he is more powerful than Kuririn. Oh goody, the Kikoho. Which, what, pushed Cell into a hole without injuring him whatsoever? Oh yes, that certainly proves it. In that same way, I guess Namek-Kuririn is stronger than 2nd-form Freeza, and Piccolo was stronger than Raditz. We're not talking about special attacks here. quote CatouttaHell There's nothing to say that in the manga. But in the manga, Kuririn gets FAR stronger than Nail is from the Great Elder's powerup and Nail most likely already got that powerup. And in the manga, there's nothing to say that Nail DID get that power-up. Next! quote CatouttaHell And? Tenshinhan trained on Kaio-sama's planet for much longer than Goku and received harder training. Piccolo did the same training for six days and he had power that Nail found unbelievable. There's absolutely nothing to say Tenshinhan didn't surpass Kuririn just from Kaio-sama's training. And there's nothing to say he did. But there is a later statement to say that he didn't. Next! quote CatouttaHell You still keep ignoring the point that Yamucha only said Kuririn was the strongest because he was talking to his toddler daughter. And you still have no proof that what he said wasn't true. Next! quote CatouttaHell So now you're just picking and choosing what you want to believe from your guidebook? My guidebook? *glances at his bookshelf* The only Dragon Ball guidebook I own is mostly full of pictures, and has nothing to do with Tenshinhan or Kuririn. What do you mean? quote CatouttaHell You keep saying that Earthlings can't get strong very fast and yet here's the Daizenshuu stating Tenshinhan is a descendant of aliens and thus... Stop right there. There's no "and thus" about his power. It only makes the comment in regards to his weird physical abilities. Nothing to do with Battle Power. Next! quote CatouttaHell There's nothing ever stated about Kuririn being an alien because he has a nose so I have no idea why you're bringing that into this. Like I mentioned, the books say that Tenshinhan is a descendant of aliens because of him not LOOKING completely human. Humans have noses. Kuririn doesn't, hence he doesn't look completely human either. So if that doesn't discount Kuririn from being a "human," then it doesn't discount Tenshinhan either. Next! quote CatouttaHell Or maybe Kuririn being the strongest just makes no sense and is based on a statement Yamucha made to cheer Kuririn's daughter up. Makes no sense to you because refuse to believe what you're told because "*~~TENSHINHAN~~* is simply the best-est!" Plus again, you, y'know, have no actual proof to say that Yamcha was lying. Actually, come to think of it, he at first just told Marron that her dad was, "the strongest in the world!" The "among humans, that is..." part was said to himself as an afterthought. Which, again, is the ONLY statement we have to go by regarding the humans' power compared to each other in the Majin Boo arc. The Daizenshuu don't say anything more. Later on, when Tenshinhan pointlessly shows up, nobody says, "oh look, it's Tenshinhan, the strongest human alive!" There's ZILCH else to say or indicate who's best. Nothing. Niente. Nada. You just don't believe it because you don't want to. Is it POSSIBLE that Tenshinhan is actually the strongest, and that Yamcha is simply judging based on last he saw both of them, but Tenshinhan has since then caught up? Yeah, sure, I'll admit it's possible. But is there any proof? Nope. So is that all? Are we done? I'm starting to grow weary of winning so hard.
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CatouttaHell Unslaad krosis N'Somniac total posts: 4821 since: Mar 2011	May 08, 11 at 3:48pm ^ re: Does anyone notice in the Remastered Version
	quote Kaboom And in the manga, there's nothing to say that Nail DID get that power-up. Next! It's common sense. Why would he give some random Earthlings the power-up but not his enforcer? Why is Nail 14x stronger than every other Namekseijin? You make no sense. quote Kaboom And there's nothing to say he did. But there is a later statement to say that he didn't. Next! A later statement that you keep taking out of context. For the five billionth time, Yamucha was saying that to Kuririn's toddler daughter. quote Kaboom My guidebook? *glances at his bookshelf* The only Dragon Ball guidebook I own is mostly full of pictures, and has nothing to do with Tenshinhan or Kuririn. What do you mean? The guidebook you've thrown fits and left the forum three times over now because people disagreed with it. quote Kaboom Stop right there. There's no "and thus" about his power. It only makes the comment in regards to his weird physical abilities. Nothing to do with Battle Power. Next! He has enough alien blood in him to be able to do shit no Earthling should be able to. Most likely his power grows faster than that of Earthlings too. quote Kaboom Like I mentioned, the books say that Tenshinhan is a descendant of aliens because of him not LOOKING completely human. Humans have noses. Kuririn doesn't, hence he doesn't look completely human either. So if that doesn't discount Kuririn from being a "human," then it doesn't discount Tenshinhan either. Next! Find me one statement that says Kuririn isn't an Earthling. The Daizenshuu says Tenshinhan is a descendant of aliens but it says nothing about Kuririn. Can Kuririn split into four bodies or sprout arms from his back? I thought so. quote Kaboom Makes no sense to you because refuse to believe what you're told because "*~~TENSHINHAN~~* is simply the best-est!" Plus again, you, y'know, have no actual proof to say that Yamcha was lying. Actually, come to think of it, he at first just told Marron that her dad was, "the strongest in the world!" The "among humans, that is..." part was said to himself as an afterthought. Which, again, is the ONLY statement we have to go by regarding the humans' power compared to each other in the Majin Boo arc. The Daizenshuu don't say anything more. Later on, when Tenshinhan pointlessly shows up, nobody says, "oh look, it's Tenshinhan, the strongest human alive!" There's ZILCH else to say or indicate who's best. Nothing. Niente. Nada. You just don't believe it because you don't want to. Is it POSSIBLE that Tenshinhan is actually the strongest, and that Yamcha is simply judging based on last he saw both of them, but Tenshinhan has since then caught up? Yeah, sure, I'll admit it's possible. But is there any proof? Nope. So is that all? Are we done? I'm starting to grow weary of winning so hard. Does Marron even know who the hell Tenshinhan is? Son Gohan said that Tenshinhan said that they'd probably never see each other again after Tenshinhan left Kami-sama's Lookout. Yamucha remembered #18 when he said that so he decided to say "among humans, that is..." He didn't realise at first that Marron probably knew that her cyborg mother was stronger than Kuririn and that she might likely know who Son Goku and Son Gohan were so he decided to say "among humans" because he knew she probably didn't know who the hell Tenshinhan was. Quit acting like you're some kind of irrefutable guru on the series and that anybody who disagrees with you is wrong. It's amazing how pissed off you get over somebody thinking something other than you. I think Tenshinhan is stronger because the ONLY evidence against it is a single statement that logically isn't to be taken seriously. Meanwhile common sense says that Tenshinhan must be stronger.
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Kaboom s-e-e-k-e-r total posts: 1687 since: Mar 2011	May 08, 11 at 3:58pm ^ re: Does anyone notice in the Remastered Version
	Maybe I'm not being clear enough. Let me simplify this further. Manga: "Kuririn is the strongest human." You: "Impossible! It has to be Tenshinhan!" Your Proof: "Please, somebody help me, I don't know where I am and nobody can find me!" I'm not even speaking for my own opinion here, in case you're curious. I think than Ten SHOULD have caught up to Kuririn by the Boo arc too. But since nothing says he did, and the only related statement indicates that he didn't, then... well, I have nothing with which to claim to the contrary. I man up and accept it, like I have done for plenty of things in the past and still continue to do. But at least I don't spout crap like claiming that Kuririn > Ten is "impossible." I don't hold my own opinions on THAT high a pedestal. Edit: May 08, 11
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CatouttaHell Unslaad krosis N'Somniac total posts: 4821 since: Mar 2011	May 08, 11 at 4:00pm ^ re: Does anyone notice in the Remastered Version
	Okay now you're just becoming incoherent.
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rocky_jbpe Layin' the post down since 2003! Neoholic total posts: 10494 since: Aug 2003	May 08, 11 at 4:13pm ^ re: Does anyone notice in the Remastered Version
	quote Kaboom Maybe I'm not being clear enough. Let me simplify this further. Manga: "Kuririn is the strongest human." You: "Impossible! It has to be Tenshinhan!" Your Proof: " Please, somebody help me, I don't know where I am and nobody can find me!" I'm pretty sure you were provided with proof, but you dismiss all of it. 1) Tenshinhan was more powerful than Kuririn all the way to the Freeza arc. 2) Tenshinhan received Kaio's training, while Kuririn got a power-boost to awaken his hidden powers. It is unknown whether or not this was enough to rival Tenshinhan, or that it was "better" than Kaio's training. 3) Tenshinhan's attack against Cell while Kuririn would have been ripped apart by him. 4) Kuririn actually stops fighting after the Cell arc, while Tenshinhan continues to train, demonstrated in the Boo arc. This is all proof that was brought up. I want to see your proof. So far, all you're doing is dismissing all of it as one big "it could be unclear!" What are you going by? When I threw in the line that Yamucha gives to Maron, I wasn't saying that Kuririn was stronger than Tenshinhan, that's not even an option for me. I used to think that when Kuririn was a center character, but I know I was wrong. By all means, like a logical, normal, respectable person, why don't you provide proof of what you go by in a normal fashion, not jumbled up and not all sarcastic and demeaning to others. If not, nobody gives two dog droppings what you have to say because you're just being a disrespectful prick right now. And I know, I'm the king of disrespectful pricks. I'd sometimes challenge someone's opinion just to start up an argument, even if I agree with it. That's what I do. But when it comes time to debate something you really want to debate, you need to step up and have a better strategy. Until then, nobody cares what you have to say. ------------------- Respect the best
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Kaboom s-e-e-k-e-r total posts: 1687 since: Mar 2011	May 08, 11 at 4:39pm ^ re: Does anyone notice in the Remastered Version
	All of those things (save for the Kikoho, which is no more or less relevant than Kuririn's Kienzan) are just evidence, which I again actually AGREE with, that Tenshinhan only MIGHT have surpassed Kuririn. But none of them are proof that he actually and factually DID. Do you see the difference I'm trying to convey here?
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CatouttaHell Unslaad krosis N'Somniac total posts: 4821 since: Mar 2011	May 08, 11 at 4:57pm ^ re: Does anyone notice in the Remastered Version
	The only evidence against them is a single statement and I thoroughly explained why it's likely inaccurate. You just keep talking like you're correct beyond a doubt and that anybody who disagrees with the Almighty Guru Kaboom-sama is automatically wrong.
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Kaboom s-e-e-k-e-r total posts: 1687 since: Mar 2011	May 08, 11 at 5:17pm ^ re: Does anyone notice in the Remastered Version
	You're not disagreeing with ME, you're disagreeing with what's literally the only statement on the "debate," from the original manga itself. And even better, your non-argument hinges almost entirely on saying, "Yamcha was lying." Hahaha.
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CatouttaHell Unslaad krosis N'Somniac total posts: 4821 since: Mar 2011	May 08, 11 at 5:27pm ^ re: Does anyone notice in the Remastered Version
	quote Kaboom You're not disagreeing with ME, you're disagreeing with what's literally the only statement on the "debate," from the original manga itself. And even better, your non-argument hinges almost entirely on saying, "Yamcha was lying." Hahaha. I've explained a billion times why the statement is questionable and you yourself admitted Yamucha hasn't seen Tenshinhan in forever and doesn't know where he stands in comparison to Kuririn. Get over it.
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Kaboom s-e-e-k-e-r total posts: 1687 since: Mar 2011	May 08, 11 at 5:44pm ^ re: Does anyone notice in the Remastered Version
	Yes, hence why I said that Tenshinhan MIGHT be stronger. But there is still no proof that he actually IS stronger. Hence, your claim that it's "impossible" for Kuririn to be stronger is unsubstantiated, to put it nicely. Don't you get it?
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CatouttaHell Unslaad krosis N'Somniac total posts: 4821 since: Mar 2011	May 08, 11 at 5:55pm ^ re: Does anyone notice in the Remastered Version
	So we agree to disagree? I honestly don't consider the one statement about Kuririn being stronger to be anything more than a "YOUR DADDY IS THE BEST" thing that isn't meant to be considered in battle power debates and I don't think I'll ever budge from that. You've made some good points though and I can definitely see where you're coming from. On a totally unrelated note I can't believe this thread is five pages already and it's still just going from one topic to another.
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Kaboom s-e-e-k-e-r total posts: 1687 since: Mar 2011	May 08, 11 at 6:04pm ^ re: Does anyone notice in the Remastered Version
	EDIT: Actually no, scratch that. No "agree to disagree" bullcrap. You claim something is "impossible" without proof. You are wrong in that, and I'm tired of humoring otherwise. Choosing not to believe it or citing the evidence as unreliable is fine. Whatever. I do the same myself for a few things (most notably the 'Base Saiyans > Piccolo' concept in the Boo arc). But saying it's "impossible" is just wrong, simple as that. Edit: May 08, 11
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MajinGirl dangerous total posts: 150 since: Mar 2010	May 08, 11 at 6:29pm ^ re: Does anyone notice in the Remastered Version
	In DBZ, I like just about everyone's Japanese voice over their English counterparts, except for Goku and Gohan. I don't hate them, but still they just sound so weird and squeaky at times. They really need some base in their voice, they sound like little kids even when they're supposed to be adults. Chibi Trunks sounds manlier than them in the Boo arc. I don't know how Chichi and Videl put with listening to them.
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CatouttaHell Unslaad krosis N'Somniac total posts: 4821 since: Mar 2011	May 09, 11 at 2:40am ^ re: Does anyone notice in the Remastered Version
	quote Kaboom EDIT: Actually no, scratch that. No "agree to disagree" bullcrap. You claim something is "impossible" without proof. You are wrong in that, and I'm tired of humoring otherwise. Choosing not to believe it or citing the evidence as unreliable is fine. Whatever. I do the same myself for a few things (most notably the 'Base Saiyans > Piccolo' concept in the Boo arc). But saying it's "impossible" is just wrong, simple as that. This message was edited by Kaboom on May 08 2011. Yeah I was out of line with the "impossible" remark, sorry about that. I personally find Kuririn > Tenshinhan to be really, really unlikely but I do admit that it is possible, especially with that one statement about his power. quote MajinGirl In DBZ, I like just about everyone's Japanese voice over their English counterparts, except for Goku and Gohan. I don't hate them, but still they just sound so weird and squeaky at times. They really need some base in their voice, they sound like little kids even when they're supposed to be adults. Chibi Trunks sounds manlier than them in the Boo arc. I don't know how Chichi and Videl put with listening to them. Son Goku sounds a lot better when he's a kid but IMO his Japanese voice is awesome both in his kid and adult forms. Chichi sounds really annoying herself IMO but that's mainly because of her character, not her voice. Videl and Son Pan have awesome voices though IMO (same voice actor.)
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Victorious Hooked on Neo total posts: 4198 since: Jan 2011	May 12, 11 at 2:25pm ^ re: Does anyone notice in the Remastered Version
	I just heard the Chris Ayres for Freeza...it sounds better than Linda Younger, ok sure. But it's no where near as good as Ryusei Nakao. Ryusei Nakao IS Freeza. There is no true Freeza without Ryusei Nakao. ------------------- Victorious' fan made Dragon Ball Z Battle Power (Sentō-ryoku) list
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