SSJ Multiplier - Page 7

Well I don't think his SSJ to LSSJ multiplier changed.

his SSJ to LSSJ multiplier is greater than a Saiyan going from base to SSJ2, based on his feats against Gohan in movie 10.

I think RSSJ Broly movie 8 = SSJ Broly movie 10.

RSSJ Broly in movie 8 >>> USSJ Cell games / Movie 8 Vegeta > 50% MSSJ Goku

RSSJ Brolyu >= MSSJ Goku in movie 8

SSJ Broly >= base Gohan movie 10.

I use a 50x multiplier off base for SSJ, 5x multiplier off SSJ for SSJ2. Gohan going from base to SSJ2 got 250x stronger IMO, and Broly going from SSJ to LSSJ got 280x stronger.


In the end where you peg Broly's LSSJ multiplier is where how you see the Saiyan base to SSJ and SSJ to SSJ2 multipliers.

quote Divine Saiya-jin

MSSJ has a much bigger multiplier than the one on Namek.

There's really nothing to suggest that... common sense dictates that the Grades forms would have higher "multipliers" because they're consistently labeled and treated as something extra "beyond" normal Super Saiyan. But FPSSj is just described as no different than regular Super Saiyan, and merely controlled and usable without waste. Goku even noted in the Room of Spirit and Time that using unstable methods of adding more power was counter-productive, and that simply making the best of regular Super Saiyan was the better option.

Long-story short, everything there is to be said about Full-Power Super Saiyan pegs it as being no fundamentally different than regular Super Saiyan... and thus not granting any different a power boost.

Far as I can tell, something about training in that state just allowed Goku and Gohan (and subsequently Vegeta and probably Trunks once they figured it out) to make very big overall gains, to the point where their base forms increased dramatically and thus so did their Super Saiyan power along with it.

Goku (pre-RoSaT) - 5
Super Saiyan - 250

Goku (post-RoSaT) - 30
Super Saiyan - 1500.

I don't really think Movie 10 Gohan has anything to do with the Zeta Sword, he's just powered up massively and it happens to coincide with Post-Z Sword Gohan IMO.

How strong do you have Piccolo compared to Base Broli?

Yeah I agree, I have Base Saiya-jins >>> Piccolo too. If I ignored GT and the Boo Arc I might have him higher than that but the Boo Arc shows that Piccolo is no longer a factor. Gohan and Vegeta agree to stay in base for the tournament and don't for a second even consider that Piccolo might be a problem.

quote Kaboom

quote Divine Saiya-jin

MSSJ has a much bigger multiplier than the one on Namek.

There's really nothing to suggest that... common sense dictates that the Grades forms would have higher "multipliers" because they're consistently labeled and treated as something extra "beyond" normal Super Saiyan. But FPSSj is just described as no different than regular Super Saiyan, and merely controlled and usable without waste. Goku even noted in the Room of Spirit and Time that using unstable methods of adding more power was counter-productive, and that simply making the best of regular Super Saiyan was the better option.

Long-story short, everything there is to be said about Full-Power Super Saiyan pegs it as granting no different than regular Super Saiyan... and thus not granting any different a power boost.

Far as I can tell, something about training in that state just allowed Goku and Gohan (and subsequently Vegeta and probably Trunks once they figured it out) to make very big overall gains, to the point where their base forms increased dramatically and thus so did their Super Saiyan power along with it.

Goku (pre-RoSaT) - 5
Super Saiyan - 250

Goku (post-RoSaT) - 30
Super Saiyan - 1500.

Well thank you for responding. It was just a theory, but what you said makes sense too. I think the fact that Gohan and Goku trained with each other and rested more, received more gains as a result and is partially why they came out more powerful than Trunks and Vegeta.

Yeah they are. Trunks was a year older than Son Goten and had access to gravity training while Goten faffed around in the woods with a weakling Earthling mother and yet Trunks was BARELY stronger. That shows the gap in talent between Vegeta and Son Goku's families.

Well he was equal to him in the Boo Arc minus SSjin 3 after Babidi brought his power "beyond his limits." That's just hilarious. Vegeta had to sell his soul and get his power brought beyond his limits and he STILL sucked in comparison to Son Goku.

quote xxskelterxx

Vegeta does not train right. That's basically it. Goku told Vegeta straight up after he left the ROST that torturing your body and not resting is not the right way to train...
That's all Vegeta does, push himself so hard that he ends up burning out.

Yes. I totally agree with what you're saying but consider the whole Son Goten/Trunks scenario. There's an obvious gap in giftedness between their families.