Dragonball General Discussion 25 - Page 8

They do look similar, though I don't know if Cell's version was amplified in any way. Not that he had to amplify it, considering its target was "just" Vegeta...

Yeah I agree with your logic on that Infamous... I do think it may have been concentrated a bit but not necessarily stronger than Gohans rage burst Masenko...

Berry - Yeah that could also be true.

Well, using real world physics does explain it perfectly.... But we all know DB is hardly realistic with everything obviously, but some things are modeled after reality, so it may be that simple, or maybe not.... They never explained it in the manga how a weaker blast could deflect a stronger one, so I say the real world laws of physics would apply here...

If someone were to disagree with it, that's fine and all, but all I can say is show a better example of logic if you disagree... I doubt if anyone could other than to say "Meh, it's Dragonball, not realistic!" and just leaving it at that.... Which would be true, but also lazy, as that logic could be used to lazily explain away anything in DB without using any real thought....

I just thought of something. in the buu saga, when bulma wished for everyone not evil to be revived, she kind of saved gohans live without knowing.

If bulma didn't make the wish, kibito would not of been revived, if kibito was dead then, kaioshin wouldn't of made it to gohan and would of died. If kaioshin didn't make it to gohan then gohan wouldn't of had the chance to pull the sword.

So bulma wish did a lot.

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I saw your video Saren, I like it, its good.

I was thinking even though planet vegeta was destroyed along with all the saiyans in the planet, it doesn't mean the saiyans are extinct.

I mean on earth there new generation of saiyans like goku, vegeta, gohan, goten, trunks, pan and bula. That is 7 saiyans and more later on if the series continued maybe.

yes good point xxskelterxx, it might be possible that there are saiyans in other planets. The only way the saiyan babies send to other planet dies is if they returned to planet vegeta when frieza destroyed it.

I am pretty sure Freeza can suppress in the same manner the Z Senshi can, but only to a certain extent for whatever reason, which is what his suppression forms are for....

For one thing, Freezas scouter didn't break until he and Vegeta started to output more and more power during their grappling struggle... Most of us think, and I think you agree, that Vegeta was close to but not equal to or stronger than Freezas 1st form level of 530k at that point... Therefore if Freezas PL was always registered as 530k on his scouter, it probably would have broken long before it did when fighting Vegeta....

You could argue that the force of their power output is what broke the scouter, not the PL reading alone, but that is a moot point, 99.9% of the time scouters exploded it was from a PL reading that was simply to high for it to register and it would malfunction basically and explode....

Kinda makes you wonder why/how such shotty craftsmanship even existed with such high end technology, you'd think the scouter would just... ya know... turn off or something if it read a ki level to high... Like reset or something... LOL

I think Freezas true form, for whatever reason, can only suppress to around 3.5-4 million, no lower, so he created his suppression forms to restrain the rest, but they do actually suppress his ki and he seems to be able to suppress it as he seemed to do in his 1st form well enough....

I think Freeza was the only one in his empire that knew how to suppress his ki from both scouters and natural senses.... Ginyu may have as well, he seemed to know all about it with Goku, so perhaps his ki might not always register as 120k on a scouter, who knows about that one.... At best, Freeza and Ginyu were the only ones in his empire who knew how to suppress their ki like the Z Senshi, or similar to the Z Senshi anyway....

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Is it possible that Freeza is only surfacing his ki, much like how Vegeta/Nappa/Raditz did? Freeza is only really noted to have suppressions, and has a keen sense of another's abilities...


Vegeta/Nappa/Raditz are all noted to power up, but meanwhile, their scouter reading would always read out 18,000/8,000/1,220...


Does this also happen concerning Freeza? This would be specifically important regarding Freeza's Over One Million statement...

I'm pretty sure that Captain Ginyu stated in the manga at some point that only he and Frieza could conceal their battle powers from a scouter. As Mishimi said, they are the only two people in Frieza's empire that mastered this ability.