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Cooler Still Seekin' total posts: 3803 since: Dec 2009	Aug 18, 10 at 9:00pm ^ re: Complete Battle Power Chart
	Log in to remove this advertisement quote p123 If Good doesn't equal Fat what exactly is he splitting with Evil? Evil = Kid Buu's power. Good and Evil are splitting a power higher than Fat Buu has shown. The only logical conclusion has to be that they are splitting Super Buu's power. Now if Evil is Kid Good would have to be Fat to make the split accurate. They're splitting something higher than Super Buu's power... Why would good have to be Fat? Why can't Good be a completely new entity? You're not making sense dude, Evil = Kid logically but Good doesn't equal Fat, Good Buu is the Kai's. Fat Buu had access to evil ki, Good Buu by definition does not have access to the evil ki hence they can't be the same. quote Piccolo temporarily lost his mind the entire series of events. What Piccolo implies is ridicolous as you agree. So everything is up for debate since his statements are false. So even though you don't feel it's big enough Picolo's statements are jaded meaning your power levels shouldn't be accurate to what he says. Not all his statements are false, his statement about Base Gotenks standing a chance is proved to be false but what causes him to say that is the MASSIVE power of Base Gotenks. quote No I said Mecha Freeza and King Cold arriving on Earth. As in their suppressed powers. I have Mecha at 4 mil and Cold at 4.5 mil. Mecha at full power should be a little stronger than Trunks. Trunks is implied to be near Goku on Namek and Freeza fought nearly evenly with him. Then stated to get a power up. I have them both higher than 4/4.5 million. We can agree to disagree about Mecha Freeza versus Trunks. quote Jeice is able to catch a couple of Vegeta's punches. He is at a similar distance as Vegeta is to Freeza 3rd. Vegeta was toying around though wasn't he IIRC. quote In regards to Gohan. I am starting to think he may be a SSJ again. I gotta look it over but perhaps he is and Dabura is indeed being compared to Powered Up Pc. He couldn't be. Someone equal to 50% of Perfect Cell's power isn't around Perfect Cell's level is he? Don't get go backwards with your logic dude.
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p123 Permanently Plugged In total posts: 14299 since: Dec 2009	Aug 18, 10 at 9:30pm ^ re: Complete Battle Power Chart
	I don't think Fat Buu had access to evil ki at all. I think he was about to start accessing it which is what made him disperse it. So you get to hand pick which statements you want to use? You do see the flaw in this. Not really worth debating this as the evidence is shungod. How is Fat and Evil splitting a power higher than Super? They are splitting Buff's power then? How the hell can they split a power higher than Super's? Hmmm... Yea Vegeta was toying at first then let's Jeice read him and then finishes him quickly. Perhaps he is much stronger. Do you think Vegeta is stronger than Ginyu by now... Goku mentions Cell. Doesn't mean it has to be one particular version of him. It could be any of them. What happens next is what judges what version Dabura is. Seeing as how what happens next is highly debatable it's impossible to use that as evidence as it is nothing by itself. I have Mecha Freeza at 4 mil. You know why? Initial Freeza 3.300.000 100% 140.000.000 Means that Initial Freeza is 2.357142857 % of his full power. Logically Mecha would be as suppressed as possible and seeing this is his minimum now take Mecha Freeza's full power Mecha Freeza 100% 170.000.000 Initial Mecha 4.000.000
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Cooler Still Seekin' total posts: 3803 since: Dec 2009	Aug 18, 10 at 9:43pm ^ re: Complete Battle Power Chart
	quote p123 I don't think Fat Buu had access to evil ki at all. I think he was about to start accessing it which is what made him disperse it. Any evidence for that? quote So you get to hand pick which statements you want to use? You do see the flaw in this. Not really worth debating this as the evidence is shungod. What are you talking about? I ignore the statement which is proved wrong only, that's the logical way. quote How is Fat and Evil splitting a power higher than Super? They are splitting Buff's power then? How the hell can they split a power higher than Super's? Super Buu isn't pure evil, Bufff > Super remember...he's still restricted by the good nature of Dai Kaioshin. The power higher than Super Buu is Kid + South + Dai. - If Evil Buu is unrestrained - And Good Buu is unrestrained (as all the evil is gone). Yet they produce a restrained being surely that tells you some power is missing in the transformation... quote Logically Mecha would be as suppressed as possible and seeing this is his minimum now take Mecha Freeza's full power Why would Mecha Freeza be as supressed as possible? quote Goku mentions Cell. Doesn't mean it has to be one particular version of him. It could be any of them. What happens next is what judges what version Dabura is. Seeing as how what happens next is highly debatable it's impossible to use that as evidence as it is nothing by itself. Unless you think Goku was referring to Semi Perfect Cell he could have only be comparing Dabura to PC in which case logically he could only mean Cell's full power. It's not highly debatable at all.
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p123 Permanently Plugged In total posts: 14299 since: Dec 2009	Aug 18, 10 at 9:51pm ^ re: Complete Battle Power Chart
	quote Cooler Any evidence for that? Yea he disperses the evil within him. Why do that if you are already comfortably using that evil already? quote Cooler Super Buu isn't pure evil, Bufff > Super remember...he's still restricted by the good nature of Dai Kaioshin. The power higher than Super Buu is Kid + South + Dai. Dai has never contributed to any form of Buu's power. He only reduces it. quote Cooler Why would Mecha Freeza be as supressed as possible? Because he can't handle his power. He made three suppressions to stay as suppressed as possible. The guy likes to keep his power at a minimum. A couple of robotic parts aren't indicated to change that. Your logic on Buu to me doesn't make sense. Where is Good stated to be weaker? Your assumptions on if he was using evil power or not are just your opinion. Good is only mentioned to have split power with Evil. Nothing suggests that Good got any weaker .
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Cooler Still Seekin' total posts: 3803 since: Dec 2009	Aug 18, 10 at 9:59pm ^ re: Complete Battle Power Chart
	quote p123 Yea he disperses the evil within him. Why do that if you are already comfortably using that evil already? That's not evidence. Buu's been angry before and experienced surges of strength, he's also done tons of evil deeds the difference was the level of rage he felt. quote Dai has never contributed to any form of Buu's power. He only reduces it. So...Whats your point? By definition Super Buu can't have all of Good Buu's strength because he's restricted. quote Because he can't handle his power. He made three suppressions to stay as suppressed as possible. The guy likes to keep his power at a minimum. A couple of robotic parts aren't indicated to change that. He's missing over half his body yet you assume he has the same limitations? Ok then. quote Your logic on Buu to me doesn't make sense. Where is Good stated to be weaker? Your assumptions on if he was using evil power or not are just your opinion. Good is only mentioned to have split power with Evil. Nothing suggests that Good got any weaker . It makes a hellavu lot more sense than yours. Why does it have to be stated that he's weaker? It's not an assumption it's a fact Fat Buu was using evil ki. Good =/= Fat Buu
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p123 Permanently Plugged In total posts: 14299 since: Dec 2009	Aug 18, 10 at 10:12pm ^ re: Complete Battle Power Chart
	Being angry doesn't make you evil. Buu is not aware of doing any evil I don't know why you are suggesting he is.
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Infamous_666 Still Seekin' total posts: 3928 since: May 2007	Aug 18, 10 at 11:54pm ^ re: Complete Battle Power Chart
	Ok I can see why you would have the Ginyus so high if you think Goku was higher than 60k against them, which I don't believe is the case. Ginyu suggests it, Jheese says no wonder why he got owned after he hears Ginyu thought he was at 60k. I see no reason for him to be higher than 60k against Butta and Jheese. I think you guys are forgetting that Zarbon and Dodoria teaming up on 24k Vegeta is a power they could easily best according to Freeza. So there you have 2 PLs below a higher one being able to team up and beat the opponent. This is where the combined PL minor increase I talked about came from. -------------------
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Mishimi Neo: Essential total posts: 12517 since: Sep 2008	Aug 19, 10 at 12:32am ^ re: Complete Battle Power Chart
	Freeza was wrong, his statement was contradicted before and after he said that... What does Freeza know about teaming up anyway? Like he ever had to team up against someone, he barley ever had to lift a finger to destroy someone.... LOL
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p123 Permanently Plugged In total posts: 14299 since: Dec 2009	Aug 19, 10 at 12:57am ^ re: Complete Battle Power Chart
	If Jeice can give Ginyu the edge on Goku then Dodoria can help Zarbon.
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Mishimi Neo: Essential total posts: 12517 since: Sep 2008	Aug 19, 10 at 1:03am ^ re: Complete Battle Power Chart
	Oiiyyyy....... Jheese didn't do anything to Goku but distract him, has nothing to do with "team up strength".... So, no..... That is irrelevant as it has nothing to do with what we are talking about, which is "stacked up team strengths" For the umpteenth time, it has been PROVEN time and time again in DB that teaming up on a stronger opponent makes no difference as far as strengths go..... Dirty tactics and distractions however, can work, but that is not what we are talking about, and that rarely ever happened in DB to begin with...
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p123 Permanently Plugged In total posts: 14299 since: Dec 2009	Aug 19, 10 at 2:05am ^ re: Complete Battle Power Chart
	Yes I agree. Mish do you think Goku was 50% FPSSJ strength during Movie 8 and Vegeta and Trunks were USSJ strength?
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p123 Permanently Plugged In total posts: 14299 since: Dec 2009	Aug 19, 10 at 11:16pm ^ re: Complete Battle Power Chart
	It may be true regarding Broly. It could also mean Gohan was only a SSJ against LSSJ Broly right?
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Infamous_666 Still Seekin' total posts: 3928 since: May 2007	Aug 20, 10 at 12:19am ^ re: Complete Battle Power Chart
	I don't agree with that at all Mishimi. Piccolo thinks that Goku refers to fighting Fat Boo with Vegeta/Gohan since he wasn't aware that Goku was talking about fusion. Piccolo goes, he isn't the kind of guy that will work with, suggesting that it does help a bit. Its been suggested a few times that teaming on someone helps at least a little. Its just illogical to think that someone will be no help at all when they are within 90% of their power. I'm not even saying a drastic increase. Perhaps Dodoria at 20k and Zarbon at 22k end up being 26k together, easily enough to best Vegeta's 24k. -------------------
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p123 Permanently Plugged In total posts: 14299 since: Dec 2009	Aug 20, 10 at 6:48pm ^ re: Complete Battle Power Chart
	Ok I am done. Woo. Check it out guys I don't anticipate making anymore changes from here on out. Hey would anyone have any good numbers for Z Senshi vs Nappa? Im not too keen on that anyone have any idea?
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G_O_G_E_T_A Vocare Ad Regnum (moderator) Dragonball total posts: 16156 since: May 2006	Aug 20, 10 at 6:50pm ^ re: Complete Battle Power Chart
	I think Frieza's statement about Dodoria and Zarbon teaming up on Vegeta can actually hold a good amount of merit. Remember that Vegeta was at 24k, and Zarbon and Dodoria are usually placed in the 20-23k region both. This means that Vegeta is not superior to them and thus, can actually have a very tough fight at his hands against two opponents that rival his strength. Vegeta himself also stated that he, Gohan and Krillin teaming up could defeat 3rd suppression Frieza, and we know that only Vegeta possessed the necessary strength to tangle with Frieza on near-even terms. Gohan and Krillin were far weaker thean he was, but yet, were implied to be capable of tipping the scales in Veggie's favor. And yeah, I'm pretty sure that Vegeta was only taking raw power into account, not dirty tactics, distractions and such...
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