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Sir Infamous Neo-newbie total posts: -131 since: Mar 2010	Jul 07, 10 at 11:28pm ^ This subject has been deleted
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Pilaf Two much Neo total posts: 2349 since: Oct 2009	Jul 08, 10 at 2:41am ^ re: This subject has been deleted
	quote Sir Infamous Who exactly is Cell composed of? I Know he has Goku, Vegeta, Frieza, and Piccolo....I've always viewed these 4 as the dominant 4 that made up his personality and genetic composition, the rest just kind of thrown in there. But what is the rest? I'm certain King Cold, Tien, and Krillen, but is that it? The dub mentioned Nappa, and Gohan. But i'm not so sure about that..Does he have Gohan's cells? Does he have Nappa's? I was never sure about them? What about Yamcha? Chaoutzu? Raditz? This message was edited by Sir Infamous on Jul 07 2010. He might or might not have those other people's cells. It would be irrelevant really. He has all the really good Saiyan and Human DNA from the best fighters already. He has all he needs from those races, and from Namekians and from Frieza's race. I'm not sure if adding Nappa's or Yamcha's DNA would make a difference. More than likely a very nominal difference. Gohan's would have possibly been a big boost because of hidden potential but I think Gero's computer skipped him because it was judging fighters from observed ki output and choosing the strongest warriors and best techniques. Gohan was stronger than Tien and Krillen but he wasn't one of the strongest Saiyans during the fight on Earth. That honor falls to Goku and Vegeta. The computer more than likely felt that sufficient for Saiyan DNA and collected some human, presumably from the two strongest which would have been Tien and Krillen. Much later it added Frieza's and King Kold's. One thing I never understood is the science behind Cell inheriting learned attacks from DNA. Is there something I missed there? Inheriting regeneration, Zenkai, stretchy limbs and the ability to breathe in space is one thing - those are genetic traits. But you don't pass martial arts techniques through genes. You must study and master those... maybe I'm mistaken and the computer programmed him with the data based on observed fights or something. That seems more logical - Gero's computer analyzed a Kamehameha wave for instance and figured out the trick to moving the ki, and programmed Cell's brain with it. ------------------- Remember Redoran. Never forget.
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Pilaf Two much Neo total posts: 2349 since: Oct 2009	Jul 08, 10 at 3:49am ^ re: This subject has been deleted
	quote Sir Infamous 1. Goku 2. Vegeta 3. Piccolo 4. Frieza 5. King Cold 6. Tien 7. Krillen Looks like that's it. No Yamcha, Chaoutzu, Nappa, Radditz, Trunks, or Gohan. Really, I only see the fact Gohan is not in there as un-beneficiary. Completely agreed. I gave my personal hypothesis as to why Gero's supercomputer would overlook him above. He was putting out at maximum power levels of 4,000 or so with his strongest attacks in the Saiyan Saga (excluding the Oozaru transformation). I can see why the supercomputer felt Goku's and Vegeta's Saiyan DNA were sufficient. ------------------- Remember Redoran. Never forget.
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G_O_G_E_T_A Vocare Ad Regnum (moderator) Dragonball total posts: 16075 since: May 2006	Jul 08, 10 at 3:20pm ^ re: This subject has been deleted
	Manga wise, the following characters were confirmed, by Cell, to be a part of his being; Goku Vegeta Frieza King Cold *Piccolo That's it for the manga. The anime also adds Gohan, Nappa and Tien to that list. Krillin I'm not so sure of, I don't think he has ever been mentioned, nor did Cell ever use any of his techniques IIRC...
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Mishimi Neo: Essential total posts: 12517 since: Sep 2008	Jul 08, 10 at 8:15pm ^ re: This subject has been deleted
	Krillin didn't create the kienzan technically, it exitsted before he made his own... They just treated it as one of HIS new techniques, but story wise, Vegeta knew how to do it already as well, he knew what it would do to Nappa if he touched it and he used his own on Gohans tail when he was Oozaru.... So the kienzan could have come from Vegetas DNA, and Goku used it against Buu, and I doubt it was a hard technique for him to get down, so it is possible he knew how to create kienzans when his DNA was collected as well.... Freeza may have a different variation, the homing kienzan, but it is still a kienzan none the less, so I am sure that if Freeza wanted to, he could make a normal kienzan as well..... As far as Cell using multi form, good point, and that is a canon scene right? If it is, then he definitely has Tiens DNA, because no one else uses that move IIRC.....
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Pilaf Two much Neo total posts: 2349 since: Oct 2009	Jul 08, 10 at 8:56pm ^ re: This subject has been deleted
	Cell does not use multi form in the manga. ------------------- Remember Redoran. Never forget.
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Infamous_666 Still Seekin' total posts: 3927 since: May 2007	Jul 08, 10 at 11:38pm ^ re: This subject has been deleted
	Do you think Vegeta could have learned how to do the Kienzan from watching Kuririn? IIRC Kuririn's Kienzan against Nappa was the first one in the series. -------------------
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Mishimi Neo: Essential total posts: 12517 since: Sep 2008	Jul 09, 10 at 11:25am ^ re: This subject has been deleted
	quote Infamous_666 Do you think Vegeta could have learned how to do the Kienzan from watching Kuririn? IIRC Kuririn's Kienzan against Nappa was the first one in the series. I doubt it or else he would have been dumb about it like Nappa and wouldn't have warned him not to try and catch it.... Of course, Vegeta is a genius compared to Nappa, so I guess it is possible Vegeta warned Nappa out of sheer predicted caution, but I would like to think Vegeta knew because he could already do it.... But, we also know that Vegeta is a fast learner and learned how to truly supress his ki and sense ki without a scouter just by observing the Z senshi at that time, so, who knows, you may be right, he might have just picked it up from Krillin that fast..... I would like to think he already knew it though..... Even if Vegeta didn't know it already, Freeza sure as hell did, we know that for a fact, because Freeza could control them, a different, more improved variaion (Aside from cutting himself that is) so he knew that technique way before Krillin I am quite sure..... I would also like to think that Freeza has been alive longer than Krillin at that point as well, but that is not a fact obviously...
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G_O_G_E_T_A Vocare Ad Regnum (moderator) Dragonball total posts: 16075 since: May 2006	Jul 09, 10 at 6:13pm ^ re: This subject has been deleted
	quote Anime wise I know he used the Kienzan (Krillen) against SSJ2 Gohan, as well as the Multi Form (Tien) against MSSJ Goku. The Kienzan isn't necessarily Krillin's. Goku and Vegeta have used it as well at times, so he could have gotten it from their cells as well. Multi-form is undeniably Tien's technique though. quote I know GOGETA is a really smart dude but I never ever remember Cell saying Nappa and Gohan were part of his being. Was it when he was talking to Piccolo when he was first discovered in Ginger Town? Those 2 episodes or so? It's when he explained how he was able to give off ki trails of the Z-Senshi, Frieza and his father. The manga does not mention Gohan or Nappa then, but I'm pretty confident about the anime doing so. Funimation's dub, anyway...
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G_O_G_E_T_A Vocare Ad Regnum (moderator) Dragonball total posts: 16075 since: May 2006	Jul 10, 10 at 6:30pm ^ re: This subject has been deleted
	quote So neither the manga nor original anime say Nappa and Gohan. Thanks for the heads up there Infamous. Looks like we can scrap Nappa and Gohan from the list, then.
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Pilaf Two much Neo total posts: 2349 since: Oct 2009	Jul 11, 10 at 1:43am ^ re: This subject has been deleted
	quote Sir Infamous The original Japanese anime does not usually go against the manga deliberatly, except for filler content you know. They don't try to change things...funimation does that. Remember the dub line that so many people always bring up with Frieza being "1%" against Goku and all that crap. Or Ocean saying Goku's father was a scientist. lol That's a good point and it's true. Supposedly the DBZ Kai dub is shaping up to be much more manga accurate than the old dub, though. I'm interested in seeing how they handle that scene. ------------------- Remember Redoran. Never forget.
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Mishimi Neo: Essential total posts: 12517 since: Sep 2008	Jul 11, 10 at 9:55pm ^ re: This subject has been deleted
	Not on Nicktoons it's not for some odd reason.... I don't quite understand why the TV broadcasted DBKai has the incorrect dub lines but the DVD's have the correct dialogue, such as the infamous "Over 9,000!" being in the TV version and "Over 8,000!" in the DVD's....
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Pilaf Two much Neo total posts: 2349 since: Oct 2009	Jul 11, 10 at 10:00pm ^ re: This subject has been deleted
	quote Mishimi Not on Nicktoons it's not for some odd reason.... I don't quite understand why the TV broadcasted DBKai has the incorrect dub lines but the DVD's have the correct dialogue, such as the infamous "Over 9,000!" being in the TV version and "Over 8,000!" in the DVD's.... I think Sabat just really liked that line and wanted to keep it in for some reason. It's not really that big a deal IMO. ------------------- Remember Redoran. Never forget.
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Mishimi Neo: Essential total posts: 12517 since: Sep 2008	Jul 11, 10 at 10:05pm ^ re: This subject has been deleted
	quote Pilaf quote Mishimi Not on Nicktoons it's not for some odd reason.... I don't quite understand why the TV broadcasted DBKai has the incorrect dub lines but the DVD's have the correct dialogue, such as the infamous "Over 9,000!" being in the TV version and "Over 8,000!" in the DVD's.... I think Sabat just really liked that line and wanted to keep it in for some reason. It's not really that big a deal IMO. I wasn't trying to say it was a big deal specifically, just that it's odd.... I am sure that most fans will buy the DVD/Blu-Rays anyway, so the TV broadcast will amount to little to nothing as far as most of the fans go I suppose, so it doesn't really matter much.... Infamous - "What's a Goku?"
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