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p123 Permanently Plugged In total posts: 14160 since: Dec 2009	Jul 06, 10 at 7:32pm ^ re: Vote DBZ Battle
	Log in to remove this sponsored message Yea I just recently changed my thinking on him... Vegeta is probably my favorite character him and Freeza. So it's not like I want to screw him over but the more I mess around with the numbers the weaker Vegeta becomes. I try to throw him a bone here and there but those theories get torn to shiet . Vegeta just isn't that good in comparison to Goku at all. It's not even close... Basically it all came down to this thinking... Vegeta says that SSj2 Goku surpassed SSJ2 Kid Gohan. Many of us put Gohan at like 88% of Goku or someting close to that. There's not much evidence behind this one way or the other but Goku could possibly be much stronger... Currently Im trying out Gohan being as 72% of Gohan. I think this is plausible. Vegeta did say surpass. He didn't say you are marginally stronger than Gohan or you are just a small bit stronger. What does surpass mean? To me it means a significant upgrade. Vegeta also used surpass in describing the distance between USSJ Vegeta and FPSSJ Goku at 50%. As well as you know there are certain things that occur when making power levels... You need appropriate spacing to make things fit. If FPSSJ Gohan is 60% of Perfect Cell and SSJ2 Kid Gohan is much stronger yet SSJ2 Teen Gohan is much weaker and still much stronger than Perfect Cell it dictates what your multiplier is. If Kid Gohan was that strong yet Goku surpasses him at a lower FPSSJ there has to be a big difference in their multipliers... I have updated SSJ2 to a 2-5 multiplier as well as SSJ3 being a 2-5 times multiplier... I think it provides the neccessary spacing between all the SSJ2s and Goku Fat Buu Gotenks spacing required...
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Cooler Still Seekin' total posts: 3803 since: Dec 2009	Jul 06, 10 at 8:42pm ^ re: Vote DBZ Battle
	Meh I don't think there's any reason to make Goku that strong. He makes Kid Gohan look like nothing and I don't think the Manga should be interpreted that way. Significantly stronger? Yes. Litteral one shot range? Not so sure. It's all opinion at the end of the day though. I'm going to rework my numbers a bit though to make all the SSJ2's slightly stronger.
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p123 Permanently Plugged In total posts: 14160 since: Dec 2009	Jul 06, 10 at 8:44pm ^ re: Vote DBZ Battle
	Yea that's the thing Cooler it is all assumption on this one. Not too much evidence either way... I think we started out at 88% which I think is probably too high. It is not giving enough credit to Goku for maxing out his SSJ2 . And 72% may be too low. But the word surpassed should be at minimum 85% or something like that. I dunno it really is all up for interpretation... Im suprised your not happy with the new multipliers I remember argueing with you that SSJ3 wasn't such a huge boost and you thought it was have we switched roles? Goku has to be that strong for me to get clear cut multipliers. I had them as a 2-4 boost.. If I made Gohan at 80-85% which I feel is reasonable I would have to make a sloppy 2-4.6 type of thing and I wanted to keep everything clean cut using even numbers... Also I don't think it is that big of a strech either. It could very well be that big of a gap. Surpassing someone should count as a significant increase not a marginal one. Bigger multipliers are definiltey needed to make everything fit accurately..
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Cooler Still Seekin' total posts: 3803 since: Dec 2009	Jul 06, 10 at 8:51pm ^ re: Vote DBZ Battle
	I could live with Gohan being 80 percent'ish of SSJ2 Goku, but I personally prefer not to end up with excessively large PL's if I can help it. When did I say I wasn't happy with the multipliers? I think SSJ3 should be very strong, it's a whole new SSJ form (that's part of why I like to make him closer to Super Buu) and I think the boost should match SSJ2.
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p123 Permanently Plugged In total posts: 14160 since: Dec 2009	Jul 06, 10 at 8:56pm ^ re: Vote DBZ Battle
	Yes I agree SSJ3 Boost is just as big as SSJ2 is .. You also have the benefit of not playing by the FPSSJ rules. Ones which I happen to agree with. That makes things easier for you but you will see the higher multipliers make things so easy... I don't think I have anything going on too too crazy... There is a clear significant difference between the SSj2s to the SSJ3s type of power but I think that was displayed in the manga... Try taking away that Kid + South = Buff equation as well. No matter how hard you try it is just impossible to fit in... That new theory really has wings to it as well. Hey man I stuck it out with you on that theory for the longest it's just a failed concept an impossible one to make happen and the other option is logical if not more logical than the previous one.
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Cooler Still Seekin' total posts: 3803 since: Dec 2009	Jul 06, 10 at 9:06pm ^ re: Vote DBZ Battle
	What's this FPSSJ theory? I must have missed it. I can't just ignore Kid + South > Super Buu, I could call it an anomaly but I don't see why I should ignore it for the sake of making Super Buu much stronger than Goku. One way it could work is making Kid Buu significantly stronger than Goku...not sure about that though.
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p123 Permanently Plugged In total posts: 14160 since: Dec 2009	Jul 06, 10 at 9:10pm ^ re: Vote DBZ Battle
	You don't see the possibility of South absorbing the Kais in a different manner than regular people... Buu takes on the traits of who he absorbs. For some reason the Kais influence Buu much more than normal people. Fat Buu = Heavily influence by Dai's good heart Buff Buu = Heavily influenced by South's aggressive /macho super strong yada yada yada..
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Cooler Still Seekin' total posts: 3803 since: Dec 2009	Jul 06, 10 at 9:22pm ^ re: Vote DBZ Battle
	I think you're interpreting it wrong... Dai Kaio had a weird affect on Buu because he was so pure of heart and his goodness weakened Buu. That's all there is to it, it's never implied to be something special about the Kai's that gives Buu weird boosts etc...
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p123 Permanently Plugged In total posts: 14160 since: Dec 2009	Jul 07, 10 at 12:45am ^ re: Vote DBZ Battle
	I should check out my numbers for Ussj Vegeta vs 50% Goku to see what he means by surpassed. Vegeta only used surpassed twice in the manga I believe or that I can recall. USSJ Vegeta being surpassed by Goku 50% is seen as a huge gap why exactly wouldn't Goku over Gohan be the same?
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WWE Jaiden DBZ no-stoppin-me-now total posts: 200 since: Sep 2009	Jul 07, 10 at 1:59am ^ re: Vote DBZ Battle
	Mr.buu
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jackjack ultra seeker total posts: 1450 since: Oct 2009	Jul 07, 10 at 9:57am ^ re: Vote DBZ Battle
	quote p123 You don't see the possibility of South absorbing the Kais in a different manner than regular people... I do. Absorbing the Kaioshins changed Boo's physical shape; not so much with Gohan and co. Anyway, going with Good Boo here. Good Boo: 80,000,000,000 SSJ2 Goku: 60,000,000,000 SSJ2 Vegeta: 44,000,000,000 SSJ2 teen Gohan: 32,000,000,000
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musab ahmed pathan true seeker total posts: 1119 since: Apr 2009	Jul 07, 10 at 10:27am ^ re: Vote DBZ Battle
	SSJ2 goku would beat the shit outta him That's 3-2? Do I have to start the next round or forgot to count someone vote? ------------------- http://www.neoseeker.com/forums/38854/t1553146-guild-debate-thread-ii-new-topic-against-steel-dragon/11.htm CLICK THIS MONSTER HUNTER FANS! WE NEED SEVERAL MORE PEOPLE GO DEBATE AND EXPLODE EVERYONE'S MIND WITH YOUR STATEMENTS! GO WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING AT?
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G_O_G_E_T_A Vocare Ad Regnum (moderator) Dragonball total posts: 16066 since: May 2006	Jul 07, 10 at 6:23pm ^ re: Vote DBZ Battle
	quote Rules 2. It takes five votes for the current battle to end. The person that voted the fifth vote, gets to create a new battle. Seeing as you cast the 5th vote (provided you counted them right), it's your turn to make the next battle. Make it good
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Prince Of Sayians NFK. Resident Neo total posts: 3002 since: Jun 2007	Jul 07, 10 at 10:05pm ^ re: Vote DBZ Battle
	quote G_O_G_E_T_A quote Rules 2. It takes five votes for the current battle to end. The person that voted the fifth vote, gets to create a new battle. Seeing as you cast the 5th vote (provided you counted them right), it's your turn to make the next battle. Make it good Or by majority (3 votes). ------------------- VBHC.
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p123 Permanently Plugged In total posts: 14160 since: Dec 2009	Jul 08, 10 at 2:08am ^ re: Vote DBZ Battle
	Nail vs Reecome
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