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DaSavage Guns don't kill people. I kill people. true seeker total posts: 1224 since: Dec 2009	Mar 11, 10 at 7:03pm ^ re: Power Discussion
	Log in to remove this sponsored message Why would you have to master a higher form to be able to suppress a lower form that's mastered anyway? By that logic, FPSSj Goku & Gohan couldn't suppress themselves when they came out of the Rosat. ------------------- youtube.com/dasavage68 Visit or else.
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p123 Permanently Plugged In total posts: 14125 since: Dec 2009	Mar 11, 10 at 7:23pm ^ re: Power Discussion
	Yea I never said that. I just don't think you can suppress SSJ2 and above. Even if you could suppress SSJ2 I don't see Goku being able to suppress SSJ3. I'll try to present some information.. The big argument is MSSJ Goku vs SSJ Vegeta ( Buu ) http://view.thespectrum.net/series/dragon-ball-volume-17.html?ch=Volume+36&page=76 So you guys really think 18> Vegeta Base? He says he'll win the tournament right there as she is in the ship. Maybe he's not aware of Piccolo but 18 is like right there Lol. Edit: Mar 11, 10
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DaSavage Guns don't kill people. I kill people. true seeker total posts: 1224 since: Dec 2009	Mar 11, 10 at 7:43pm ^ re: Power Discussion
	No, being a cocky moron is the norm for him, and there's no solid proof that he knew she'd even be in the Budokai. ------------------- youtube.com/dasavage68 Visit or else.
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p123 Permanently Plugged In total posts: 14125 since: Dec 2009	Mar 12, 10 at 3:07am ^ re: Power Discussion
	I mean she was on the plane with him directly less than 10 feet away from him. Lol. Man you must really be anti Buu arc base saiyans man.
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DaSavage Guns don't kill people. I kill people. true seeker total posts: 1224 since: Dec 2009	Mar 12, 10 at 4:09am ^ re: Power Discussion
	quote p123 I mean she was on the plane with him directly less than 10 feet away from him. You keep saying this as though it actually means something. ------------------- youtube.com/dasavage68 Visit or else.
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p123 Permanently Plugged In total posts: 14125 since: Dec 2009	Mar 12, 10 at 4:47am ^ re: Power Discussion
	Seems like were stuck in a rut with that. How about Gotenks Base Pre > Majin Vegeta? Piccolo would logically be comparing Gotenks to previous fighters. Piccolo just saw Majin vegeta fail miserably against Fat Buu. Gotenks fuses and Piccolo is impressed. Piccolo just saw SSJ3 Goku. Piccolo is impressed by SSJ Gotenks. We know Piccolo's is wrong many times during this period but that could be because Buu is hard to read as he has a weird ki. However these fighter's Piccolo is familar with and perhaps would be comparing these fighters to them?
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Cooler Still Seekin' total posts: 3803 since: Dec 2009	Mar 12, 10 at 12:08pm ^ re: Power Discussion
	Just because he's impressed by their power doesn't mean they're equal to say Majin Vegeta or SSJ3 Goku. Piccolo likely had doubts about the power of the fusion technique so ofcourse he was going to be impressed. quote p123 We never see an unmastered SSJ suppress his power. I don't think you can unless you master a higher form. Why would you want to supress your power as a SSJ? You transform into a SSJ so you can overpower an enemy there was never any need for a SSJ to supress his power. That doesn't mean they couldn't. Edit: Mar 12, 10
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p123 Permanently Plugged In total posts: 14125 since: Dec 2009	Mar 12, 10 at 5:39pm ^ re: Power Discussion
	Never said it couldnt't be done. We have never seen an unmastered SSJ, SSJ2 or SSJ3 suppress his power. I just find it funny I don't think that's just a coincidence. I just don't get why Piccolo would be impressed with Gotenks power level is he just saw Majin Vegeta get brutalized. Hey I'm impressed go out and get em skippy! Only to embarrassed even more so? How could Piccolo have any confidence in Gotenks if not stronger? I have to read the manga parts over for these type of scenes but I want to see Piccolo's reactions towards Gotenks and make a conclusive point later.
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Cooler Still Seekin' total posts: 3803 since: Dec 2009	Mar 12, 10 at 6:37pm ^ re: Power Discussion
	Piccolo had no confidence in Base Gotenks IIRC there was no statement about him being as strong or stronger than Vegeta was...
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DaSavage Guns don't kill people. I kill people. true seeker total posts: 1224 since: Dec 2009	Mar 12, 10 at 7:14pm ^ re: Power Discussion
	But there was clear-as-day evidence when he returned from fighting Buu. ------------------- youtube.com/dasavage68 Visit or else.
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Cooler Still Seekin' total posts: 3803 since: Dec 2009	Mar 12, 10 at 7:24pm ^ re: Power Discussion
	quote DaSavage But there was clear-as-day evidence when he returned from fighting Buu. He managed to escape somehow, that doesn't mean he was superior. He could have been felled in 2 punches and managed to crawl away without being seen.
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p123 Permanently Plugged In total posts: 14125 since: Dec 2009	Mar 12, 10 at 7:35pm ^ re: Power Discussion
	http://view.thespectrum.net/series/dragon-ball-volume-17.html?ch=Volume+40&page=101 Piccolo pretty much says Base Gotenks has no shot. Hmmm Gotenks can be any strength here really. Buu could have suppressed some of his evil side making him weaker while beating Gotenks just enough to beat him to a pulp and Gotenks running away? Buu wouldn't let him if he didn't want to. Gotenks could at minimum probably be SSJ2 TEEN Gohan to be able to survive against a fully suppressed Buu. His maximum should be slightly weaker than Majin surviving against a non suppressed Fat Buu SSJ Gotenks >> Base Gotenks. Huge power up here. One could put SSJ Gotenks minimum at above Majin Vegeta and maximum to above Fat Buu. http://view.thespectrum.net/series/dragon-ball-volume-17.html?ch=Volume+41&page=50 This does not mean to me Base Gotenks would beat Super Buu on Piccolo's comment. Piccolo may be thinking that if he turns SSJ he may have a shot. I still don't think this Base Gotenks at minimum still can be weaker than Majin Vegeta. At maximum Fat Buu. I think Piccolo is thinking SSJ Gotenks may be slightly less than SUper Buu. I think SSJ Gotenks now is now around SSJ3 Goku. Perhaps at his maximum that's where he is at. His minimum is Fat Buu. Ah I appear wrong. It seems Piccolo was reffering to Base Gotenks having a shot most likely. Either way I feel comfortable with those estimates. I think Gogeta perhaps has good estimates on Base gotenks I think he has him slightly under SSJ2 Teen Gohan pre and I forget where he has him after that. Perhaps a little stronger than SSJ2 Vegeta.
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DaSavage Guns don't kill people. I kill people. true seeker total posts: 1224 since: Dec 2009	Mar 12, 10 at 7:44pm ^ re: Power Discussion
	quote Coolio He managed to escape somehow, that doesn't mean he was superior. He could have been felled in 2 punches and managed to crawl away without being seen. If you take a look at him, he obviously took a ton of damage. More than "two punches", anyway. And just because Piccolo didn't have any confidence in him doesn't mean he wasn't > Vegeta, since Vegeta wasn't anywhere near strong enough either. Besides this fact, Goku knew how strong one bceomes after fusing, and was sure in Gotenks' ability to do Buu in. Even though this turned out to be false, this at least solidifies the idea that Gotenks was still stronger than Goku or Vegeta had been. Otherwise, the idea wouldn't have even been entertained. ------------------- youtube.com/dasavage68 Visit or else.
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Infamous_666 Still Seekin' total posts: 3923 since: May 2007	Mar 12, 10 at 7:50pm ^ re: Power Discussion
	quote p123 http://view.thespectrum.net/series/dragon-ball-volume-17.html?ch=Volume+41&page=50 This does not mean to me Base Gotenks would beat Super Buu on Piccolo's comment. Piccolo may be thinking that if he turns SSJ he may have a shot. He was surprised when Gotenks showed that he could still go SSJ. I really don't think he made that statement assuming that Gotenks could go SSJ. One of the reasons the base getting stronger when you reach a new form is so interesting to me is partly due to this huge power up Base Gotenks got in such a short time. You could also just chalk it up to fusion being different and allowing you to progress quickly as you get more and more used to being fused. -------------------
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DaSavage Guns don't kill people. I kill people. true seeker total posts: 1224 since: Dec 2009	Mar 12, 10 at 7:53pm ^ re: Power Discussion
	Yeah, Piccolo had no idea they could turn SSj after they fused. ------------------- youtube.com/dasavage68 Visit or else.
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