East Kaioshin vs. Piccolo - Page 13

It was obviously based on Gohan's strength. Otherwise, it wouldn't have come up with a transformation, but was still immensely heavy after he released it.

quote DaSavage

It was obviously based on Gohan's strength. Otherwise, it wouldn't have come up with a transformation, but was still immensely heavy after he released it.

King Arthur has to use maximum strength to get the sword out. Gohan only has access to SSJ. Hence maximum strength.

quote Infamous_666

^I'm not sure if you read my logic on this but if it was truly a potential thing then why didn't his base form pull it out?

Like I said above. Because it wasn't the maximum allowable strength. If Gohan could access SSJ2 he would have the same struggle.

quote G_O_G_E_T_A

Potential has squat to do with it, since Gohan's potential was not available to him at that point in time anyway, or at least, not ALL of it. It was Gohan's raw Super Saiyan power that yanked the sword out of the rock, nothing else...

Clearly you are mistaking what potential is. Potential is Gohan's maximal future strength. Gohans potential is Mystic Gohan not SSJ2.
Raw strength is shown to not be enough to get the sword out of the King Arthur story. Since Gohan brings up the story that makes the King Arthur story CANON!

If Gohan doesn't bring this up then maybe you have a case. But, then again Bibidi, Bobbidi, Buu should be enough for you to get the hint. I mean cmon guys this isn't rocket science how much more clear can you get in a saga with people with those names. AT influenced by Disney. This saga heavily influenced by it. End of story.

Now don't get me wrong I am on the side Gohan> South by a slight margin but more because of the Kais reaction to the saiyans. The sword story has nothing to do determining South Kai's strength. That theory is effectively false.

yea sorry for the misunderstanding. I have no idea what that guy is talking about referring to ssj and all that nonsense.

I said he made a valid argument in the video about Supreme Kai. The points he makes are logical regarding him. The pages he brings up to prove his point make his opinion on Supreme Kai's power level viable if not logical.

I do not agree with the base perfect cell...

All I know about Cell is that he's stated to be weaker than USSJ Vegeta at time of transformation. Krillen says he's hiding his true ki much like Trunks is.

I think Cell is fighting similar to how Goku vs Nappa and Goku vs Reecome.

I am totally unsure of where Cell is at. He could possibly be tapping into a huge portion of his power quickly before anyone can notice.

To place Cell anywhere at this time would be crazy. It's best to think of Cell's full power when he fights suppressed it's too hard to tell. He picks and chooses who he wants to fight evenly with without divulging what percentage he's at unlike Frieza.

All we know is that Cell needs to use his real speed against MSSJ Gohan.

the story is canon my friend. Gohan's world is completely different than ours. There is no need for anything to crossover unless mentioned.

King Arthur is mentioned and therefore valid.Why would it not be the same Cooler? Because it goes against your opinion?

When you give me a better argument than that please I would love to hear it. Basically you just told me ugh, no it's not. The story is canon, therefore relevant.

quote p123

King Arthur has to use maximum strength to get the sword out. Gohan only has access to SSJ. Hence maximum strength.

Good point. My knowledge of the King Arthur story is rusty so if that falls in line with the story then its a viable opinion.

quote p123

Surely you are not wasting your life away with garbage logic like that. This makes you look like you offer any type of garbage logic in a feeble attempt to maintain your dignity. That's pathetic.

Uh, bro...you realize no one is going for the "potential" theory except for you, right? This is pretty much what we're thinking about what you're trying to say.