East Kaioshin vs. Piccolo - Page 11

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Maybe you guys are right about Supreme Kai. Pui Pui is obviously a weakling.Who is a fighter comparable to him?

Someone in the Saiyan or early Namek saga. He thought being raised on a planet with 10x gravity(like Raditz was) would help him.

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As I see it Piccolo has to be in USSJ Vegeta's range at least.

What? Did you see USSj Vegeta vs. Perfect Cell? And then Piccolo against a Cell Jr. with the same power? Piccolo was >> USSj Vegeta at the Cell Games.

oh good da savage I think you have read my arguments on Piccolo vs Cell Jr. However I've adapted that also.

Honestly in the video jack jack laid out he makes some really good points.

Kai's expressions, statements and other things would lead you to believe that base saiyans are indeed stronger than him. As well as Pui Pui and Yakon.

Yea I think Piccolo has to have an edge on Base Vegeta. It would be far too much to make up for Vegeta.

Man that video messed me up. He makes a ton of good points regarding the Kai.I'm starting to think Piccolo is indeed stronger than Kai as well.

Really? It seems clear to me that he is nervous about getting beat up. Why the shocked faces from Badibi and Kai when Vegeta wins?

Why is Badibi so confident in killing Kai with those two fighters?It seems pretty obvious that they were suppressed are whatnot yet they still choose Piccolo as the weakling. Perhaps he was suppressed as well. That would fit quite well.

Why does Pui Pui have to be comparable to Ginyu Force? Just because he lived on a planet that was 10x gravity? The video describes how that could effect the fight.

What about Kai's statements that he would die without the Base Saiyans help prior to knowing about Dabura? And the shock with Dabura? Something is fishy here!

Also how about this just thought about something. Any reason for Vegeta or Trunks to not be MSSJ at Cell Games? Other than that they are weak? Perhaps their MSSJ is just not comparable to Gohans or Gokus. We see that Gohan is clearly stronger than Goku's full power. This could also be true for Goku power to be superior than the others.

Vegeta knows exactly what Goku did and so does Trunks. Theres no reason for them not to do it and with the whole year they should be able to get it done. Perhaps they just arent as strong as MSSJ. Thoughts on that?

Piccolo could be suppressed also even lower. Maybe they are suppressed lower than Pui Pui. Which would still be higher than Kai. Hmmm

Pui Pui> Base Saiyans Suppressed >Kai > Piccolo Suppressed?

Why would Badibi throw out fighters that are weaker than the Kai. If his purpose is to cause damage and he knows the Kai is there to prevent Buu from being resurrected obviously you would not waster your time sending someone out who will be one shotted by Supreme.

More and more it seems that they are not aware of the Base Saiyans power level. It seems they have no idea what to expect. Base saiyans must be suppressed. This is quite the topic jesus.

Badibi states leave the three strongest and dont kill the Kai I want him. This doesn't directly mean Piccolo < Kai. Piccolo may just be weaker than the three strongest. Kai is considered a specialty not picked for his power.

Kibito suggests that he can read power levels well. He informs Gohan to go SSJ to see if he can help. He is astounded by SSJ2.Which by the way is not even close to Kid Gohan SSJ2

The whole point of the story is that potential is what gets out the sword not strength. Gohan = potential. This suggest that Goku or Vegeta or anyone else could pull the sword out. I don't know if I believe that. How about Dabura lets get him to pull it out.

You base your logic off your own opinion rather than the authors? He clearly is pointing out that potential is a major issue here.

If someone wanted the sword that bad they could easily have just blown up the mountain it was on. Why wouldn't anyone try to blow up the mountain and get the sword? Because the land is sacred? Perhaps. Nothing in definitive here though. I would rely on the author's reasoning over yours though.

Completely worthless and not in the manga. Do you even think about what your writing. What your idea suggests is not in the manga either. Thats why we are having a debate.

Obviously it is in reference to the King Arthur story. So what exactly differs from that story and this one? King Arthur is shown to be weaker than other people and still pick up the sword. Why would this be different?

Yea the more I look at Cell Jrs= Suppressed it doesn't work.

USSJ Vegeta > Perfect Cell

We know that as a fact. We know Perfect Cell is hiding a ton of power under there as well. Vegeta can't even tell Cell is stronger only Krillen can. You can't place Cell where he is at right then. Cell suggesting Trunks greatly surpasses him is even crazier. It is possible that he is talking about his full power and not just his suppressed power.

Cell Jrs are shown to be about equal with Vegeta and Trunks. We know Goku is stronger than both but he is weakened. We don't know how much stronger.

It is fact that 50%Goku> Vegeta correct? Vegeta has not shown the ability to sense suppressed ki up to this point right?

Dont forget that the sword is bonded with magic. That could have alot to do with it also.

Cooler, Infamous...I'm drunk, so I got confused.

Unless someone gives me something better to work with, the two dudes might as well be even.

Meh, I just think spending 2 years in the ROSAT training his ass off Vegeta could do better than just matching 50% of what Goku did in less one full year. Especially considering his suprassing him during the 3 years waiting for the Androids.

p123,

Well yeah I think SSJ2 Gohan would have pulled it out easily, if his SSJ form could do it surely a stronger form would have managed even better?