Who would win?

Given the evidence we have, I'd say the Saiyajin Prince is slightly stronger.

This message was edited by Yoshi Egg on Nov 14 2009.

Hmmmm.... Its iffy at best, In the end I'd say Cell thanks to regen.

Before he absorbed ANY humans at all? That is a hard one.... We have little to no factual evidence as to how strong he was before he started absorbing.... We can assume safely he was weaker than 17 and 18, but by how much? 18 was already stronger than pre rosat SSJ Vegeta, so if Cell was only a tiny bit weaker than 18, he could still defeat Vegeta, but it would be a hard fight.... Like Zangetsu said, thanks to regen, I think Cell would win, especially if he managed to absorb any of Vegetas ki like he tried against Kamiccolo...

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Before he absorbed ANY humans at all? That is a hard one.... We have little to no factual evidence as to how strong he was before he started absorbing.... We can assume safely he was weaker than 17 and 18, but by how much? 18 was already stronger than pre rosat SSJ Vegeta, so if Cell was only a tiny bit weaker than 18, he could still defeat Vegeta, but it would be a hard fight.... Like Zangetsu said, thanks to regen, I think Cell would win, especially if he managed to absorb any of Vegetas ki like he tried against Kamiccolo...

Yeah, but you guys are forgetting that when Imperfect Cell sensed Vegeta when he was playing with those football players, he said, "I better not waste anymore time." or something along those lines, and then ate the football players with his tail.

Yeah, and Cell had a right to be cautious.... Which is why I said it would be a hard fight.... But due to regen, Cell may be able to pull it off just barely if anything....

Plus, the androids couldn't sense someones full power if they were supressed..... This was proven by the fact Cell was not aware of Vegetas USSJ power UNTIL he powered up.... So Cell had no idea if vegeta was supressed or not, and he wasn't about to find out until he felt he was ready to take them on and surpass whatever max they may have had...


Vegeta could have won though, who knows for sure....



Didn't that scene with the football players happen after Cells encounter with Kamiccolo? So he already had some humans absorbed after that.... Yet Cell put up a decent fight against Piccolo at the time who > SSJ Vegeta...

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Didn't that scene with the football players happen after Cells encounter with Kamiccolo? So he already had some humans absorbed after that.... Yet Cell put up a decent fight against Piccolo at the time who > SSJ Vegeta...

Yes, it happened afterwards.

I think The Nameless Namek was holding back when fighting Cell, though, because he didn't exactly know what Cell's motives were, he could've been a good guy, for all he knew.

Perhaps, but it was still proven that Piccolo after remerging with Kami was stronger than a pre rosat SSJ, so if he was holding back his full power would only be all the more stronger than a normal pre rosat SSJ then.... Either way Piccolo was stronger than Imperfect Cell and SSJ Vegeta at the time...

By the time Imperfect Cell got to the sports team on the bus, he had already absorbed quite a few humans, so he was stronger than he was before absorbing any humans, even if only by a tiny margin...

In any case, I stand by what i said about Cell not being able to sense Vegetas full power, or rather, not knowing if Vegeta was supressed or not, so he had no clue as to how powerful Vegeta was..... Cell did not expect Piccolo of all people to be as strong as he was, so he probably took precautions to fighting any of the SSJ's just incase they to were more powerful than he expected originally.... Cell may have thought Vegeta as a SSJ may have been more powerful than Piccolo even though he wasn't.... Cell had no idea....

So IMO, it was a mere precautionary thing.... And Cell at that point could have definitely taken SSJ Vegeta IMO.... But before he absorbed ANY humans at all, before he encountered Piccolo and all of that, who knows... But I still sway slightly in Cells favor because of what I and Zangetsu said earlier...

Im going with Cell here.

Is this Cell that fought Piccolo?

If it's him then he defeats SSJ Vegeta easilly because of the following reasons.

-Goku(who's about eqaul with SSJ Vegeta) said that he doesn't stand a chance of defeating that Cell

-Vegeta was pissed that Piccolo, Cell, and the Androids are above his SSJ power.

-Piccolo said to Vegeta that he can't beat Cell

The winner is obvious.

Pre-humans eh, well America pretty much listed what was on my mind really, there is more evidence that points to Cell being stronger than Vegeta. I do recall people saying Cell was "hiding from Vegeta", but I don't think that's fully accurate. Cell just wanted to stay out of sight, that's also the reason he suppressed his ki, to move around un-noticed...

Your final point though America...

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Piccolo said to Vegeta that he can't beat Cell

...looks like an error of logic in the manga. Piccolo stated Cell was far stronger than the cyborgs, which is untrue as Cell stated himself he had to absorb humans to surpass them, meaning he was weaker initially. Then Piccolo said that because Vegeta couldn't beat the cyborgs, he wouldn't be able to beat Cell either, using the flawled comparison with the cyborgs as an argument for that statement. This makes your final point doubtful, as Piccolo didn't have his facts straight there, obviously.

But aside from that, Vegeta himself pretty much made it clear that he was weaker than Cell. He stated Cell's power was huge and it was heavily suggested he was among the being that were surpassing the Super Saiyans left and right, so Imperfect Cell > pre-ROSAT Super Saiyans still stands as a fact to me...

I always thought Piccolo > Imperfect Cell at that time... Cell was desperate to get away from Piccolo to the point he used a solar flare to escape and supress his ki while he absorbed more humans to gain more power...

@GOGETA:Someone over at Daizex who's familliar with japanese said that that was a VIZ english mistake and that in the Japanese version Piccolo just said that Vegeta can't beat Cell.

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I always thought Piccolo > Imperfect Cell at that time... Cell was desperate to get away from Piccolo to the point he used a solar flare to escape and supress his ki while he absorbed more humans to gain more power...

He was, where did you get that he wasn't?

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I always thought Piccolo > Imperfect Cell at that time... Cell was desperate to get away from Piccolo to the point he used a solar flare to escape and supress his ki while he absorbed more humans to gain more power...

True, Piccolo stated that even accounting for the ki loss in his one arm, he still had plenty left to beat Cell. Cell pretty much admitted that and stated he had to "retreat for now", so you're right, Piccolo was definitely stronger than Cell, no question about it. Cell got almost no hit in when they fought, it was all Piccolo on the offense, and furthermore, #16 sensed them fight and stated one of their ki's rivalled #17's. This ki was later revealed to belong to Piccolo of course, judged from the evely matched fight he had with #17. Couldn't have been Cell as he stated himself he needed to absorb humans to surpass the cyborgs...

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@GOGETA:Someone over at Daizex who's familliar with japanese said that that was a VIZ english mistake and that in the Japanese version Piccolo just said that Vegeta can't beat Cell.

Yeah, I figured it was a mistake. And the funny thing is, they made the same mistake twice. Kami also stated that for the past four years, he felt a threat build, and that he knew somewhere on the Earth there's a creature with power far stronger than the cyborgs, which turned out to be Cell. And that is just wrong, Cell started to absorb humans to not only surpass Piccolo, but the cyborgs too as of course, he needs to be able to forcefully beat them down should they resist being absorbed, and obviously he couldn't do that at his basic level of strength, he stated as much on several occasions. So yeah, obvious flaws there from Viz...

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I always thought Piccolo > Imperfect Cell at that time... Cell was desperate to get away from Piccolo to the point he used a solar flare to escape and supress his ki while he absorbed more humans to gain more power...

He was, where did you get that he wasn't?

My bad... I thought you meant that Piccolo told vegeta that he himself couldn't beat Cell, not that Vegeta couldn't beat Cell... I misunderstood what you said...

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#16 sensed them fight and stated one of their ki's rivalled #17's. This ki was later revealed to belong to Piccolo of course, judged from the evely matched fight he had with #17. Couldn't have been Cell as he stated himself he needed to absorb humans to surpass the cyborgs.

Android 16 said that Piccolo's power rival both 17 and 18.