Something along these lines...."With my father's help we can defeat Goku"

So Freeza thinks that King Cold can help him beat Goku,si if Cold was much weaker then Freeza that wouldn't be the case because he wouldn't be of any help.

Discuss.

I think King Cold was weaker, but only very slightly.

I have Frieza landslides ahead of Cold...

As for what I make of that quote, didn't Mishimi say at some point that possibly he could be referring to he himself doing the real damage to Goku, and let Cold finish him off? In any event, after this quote, Frieza says that he could probably kill Goku himself as he grew stronger, so I think he more or less considered his father as the lock on the door if you will, to assure victory, but he clearly thought his own power was enough...

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I have Frieza landslides ahead of Cold...

As for what I make of that quote, didn't Mishimi say at some point that possibly he could be referring to he himself doing the real damage to Goku, and let Cold finish him off?

He never mentioned anything along those lines.I don't know how can someone interprent what Freeza said that way.

Frieza never went much further into the whole double-team situation and how he figured it to work, so it can be interpreted a million different ways, that's why it's a theory...

King Cold>=Freeza 100%

I'm failing to see how that quote can indicate something else.

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Frieza never went much further into the whole double-team situation and how he figured it to work, so it can be interpreted a million different ways, that's why it's a theory...

Exactly.... America fails to see that his theory is not the only logical one out there.... That VERY VAGUE statement does not flat out prove Cold is that strong. He thinks Cold >= 100% Freeza on Namek. He disagrees with us (and the majority of the fandom actually) that Freeza was strongly suggested to be much stronger than his father on Namek much less as Mecha at full power. But that is his opinion, so I will just leave it at that.

Hmmmm>.....

http://view.thespectrum.net/series/dragon-ball-volume-42.html?ch=Volume+28&page=76

I couldnt find the quote you speak of actually....

This message was edited by Old Man Zangetsu on Nov 13 2009.

Actually, I have to agree with America on this one (though everyone knows my stance on this already). I just don't see any reason for King Cold to even exist if he's so incredibly weak. As for Mishimi's theory that Frieza intended to beat up Goku until he was weak so Cold could help finish him off; I think it's just way too far fetched. Nothing like that has ever worked/been done in the series and I fail to see how Frieza would need Cold's help to finish off a weakened Goku if he could already get him that weak to begin with.

Freeza is cliche dumbass villian. He thought a double team would work. King Cold cant be too strong, and certianly no stronger than freeza. Theres really nothing at all that suggests it.

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Freeza is cliche dumbass villian. He thought a double team would work. King Cold cant be too strong, and certianly no stronger than freeza. Theres really nothing at all that suggests it.

Frieza isn't any dumber than any other majour DBZ villain. He has the same flaws as Vegeta and Cell -- arrogance. Frieza suggested a double-team because he was desperate. His pride had been shattered by the Super Saiyan and he nearly died. Quite a wake-up call for someone who feared nothing for centuries. Frieza wanted to extenguish the Super Saiyan as quickly as possible now and wasn't about to take the chance of death again, so he relied on his powered up mecha form and brought along his dad just to ensure victory.

Because he thought a double team would work. Yes. That doesnt mean King Cold = Freeza. King Cold could be equal to 2nd suppresion freeza for all we know. Freeza may have just thought that any moderately high power would've worked in tandom with his

Exactly, and not only that but like GOGETA said, we have no idea what Freeza was actually thinking in depth as far as that vague statement goes....

Like usual, this topic all comes down to speculation, no facts to prove either side, just suggestive material. I just find that my side of the argument has more suggestive material than Americas does.... And the idea of a double team based on Freeza dealing out the most damage is certainly not far fetched in my mind.... But, we simply do not know what Freeza was planning. If Cold was so strong, why didn't he ask for help prior to getting slashed up? He didn't have time? He was too arrogant? Well the first excuse may fly, but it would have only taken Freeza a few mesly seconds to ask his father to take action, especially right after Trunks launched his Burning Attack. Rather than mumbling he could have gotten his fathers attention then.

As far as the excuse that he is arrogant, well I think we can all agree to that one, but then you must ask yourself this.... If Freeza in his mecha form TRULY believed he was now stronger than SSJ Goku thanks to his mecha power up, why would he need his fathers help? Obviously Freeza wanted to kill Goku himself and get revenge on him..... If Freeza was to arrogant to ask for his fathers help against Trunks, what makes you think he would have asked for it against Goku? Because he fought Goku before? That is irrelevant when he was so cocky about his new power he suggested he was stronger than Goku.

With that logic, that is why I say Freeza more than likely planned to handicap Goku at first, then let his father come in and work him over and make him suffer as much as possible.... Then Freeza would satisfyingly unleash the final blow after all the torture...

Freezas MO was to humiliate the SSJ and make him suffer. What better way to do that then to have you and your father torture him and make him feel as much pain as possible....

Not too far fetched in the mind of Freeza IMO, he was very sadistic.... Sadism ran through his veins.... So it would fit perfectly for a cruel emperor like Freeza seeking revenge on the only man who ever defeated him to the point of basically maming him... If that isn't the definition of sadism, I don't know what is....

As I said, Cold IMO is no stronger than supressed true form Freeza at the highest, and that's being generous.... Even with a PL of 40 million, Cold could inflict quite a bit of damage on a Goku that has already taken a few critical blows from the now stronger Freeza.... Even if Cold is weaker than that and is only at 2nd-3rd form Freezas PL, he could still dish out torturous damage to Goku after Freeza handicaps him....

Sorry if I sound like a broken record here, but again, sounds like something Freeza would get his kicks from.... It is sadist revenge at it's finest.

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Because he thought a double team would work. Yes. That doesnt mean King Cold = Freeza. King Cold could be equal to 2nd suppresion freeza for all we know. Freeza may have just thought that any moderately high power would've worked in tandom with his

So a power around 2 form Freeza could help him against an opponent that's stronger then that power a houdred times.Freeza is not THAT stupid.With that power Cold wouldn't even be a good distraction.



This message was edited by America on Nov 13 2009.

To freeza that would be moderately high. He didnt know anyone who was even close to his power before Veggie Piccolo and then goku all showed up. Plus he cant sense PL's He may think that Goku wasnt THAT much stronger than him. Or maybe his previous state was detrimental to his body but now without that he might have felt more sure of himself in a prolonged battle.