I think it would be:

1. SSJ Vegirot
2. Buuhan
3. Buutenks <=> SSJ Gogeta
4. Mystic Gohan
5. Super Janemba
6. Super Buu <=> SSJ3 Gotenks
7. Hirudegarn
8. SSJ3 Kakarot <=> Kid Buu
9. Fat Janemba <=> Fat Buu
10. Broly LSSJ <=> Majin Vegeta
11. Evil Buu
12. Mr Buu

What do you think about the non-canon ones with the canon ones?

This message was edited by Yoshi Egg on Nov 14 2009.

quote Yoshi Egg

10. Broly LSSJ <=> Majin Vegeta

THANK YOU

quote Shawn Yasumara

quote Yoshi Egg

10. Broly LSSJ <=> Majin Vegeta

THANK YOU

Though I have to admit, Broly gained a pretty big zenkai boost to topple SSJ2 (I think he was SSJ2) Gohan, since Toei's SSJ2 Gohan was stronger than Akira's SSJ2 Gohan. He'd most likely be even, slightly stronger, or slightly weaker than Majin Vegeta.

quote Yoshi Egg

SSJ2 Gohan was stronger than Akira's SSJ2 Gohan

A LOT stronger

quote Shawn Yasumara

quote Yoshi Egg

SSJ2 Gohan was stronger than Akira's SSJ2 Gohan

A LOT stronger

I don't know about a LOT stronger...

This message was edited by Yoshi Egg on Nov 10 2009.

Hirudegarn is too low and SPC>LSSJ Broly(Movie 10) great list though.

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1. SSJ Vegirot

Agreed.

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2. Buuhan

Agreed.

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3. Buutenks <=> SSJ Gogeta

Mixing canon and non canon PL's is dangerous stuff, I personally have SSJ Gogeta below Buutenks, but I won't argue with you there, it's really impossible to prove anyway...

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4. Mystic Gohan

Correct.

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5. SSJ3 Gotenks <=> Super Janemba

SSJ3 Gotenks >>> Super Janemba IMO, but again, tricky. Also, when I post PL chains/comparisons, I usually have Super Buu and SSJ3 Gotenks as equals for arguments' sake, but who knows, Gotenks might have been a tad more powerful, who's to say...

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6. Super Buu

I have Super Janemba at best at this Buu's level, but that aside, I agree with the placing for Super Buu. SSJ3 Gotenks would be at this rank too more or less in my opinion.

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7. Hirudegarn

Another one that is really hard to place. In the non canon universe I think he's stronger than Ultimate Gohan, though weaker than Super Janemba, who in my book is weaker than canon Super Buu, which all results into a big mess because canon and non canon PL comparisons are often flawled. This is just opinion purely, hard to really argue against.

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8. SSJ3 Kakarot

Perhaps, though some place him above Hirudegarn based on him blocking Hirudegarn's punches. But on the other hand, Goku saw those punches coming, Hirudegarn didn't attack him from behind like he did all the others so perhaps Goku was indeed weaker, but had time to perhaps brace himself for the impact...

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9. Kid Buu

Kid Buu was never really suggested to be weaker than SSJ3 Goku, they were shown to be pretty much equals...

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10. Fat Janemba <=> Fat Buu

S'ppose that could be true, I see it the same way more or less.

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11. Broly LSSJ <=> Majin Vegeta

Not based on anything we saw, movie 10 Broly has no business being considered even with the likes of MV and SSJ2 Goku. Maybe if he gathered more ki buy what we actually saw him do, was nowhere near the power of Majin Vegeta IMO.

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12. Evil Buu

Tough one, I personally have Evil Buu above MV, even though I don't consider him to be equal to Kid Buu any more. But anyone who does, would obviously disagree with Evil Buu being this low on the list.

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13. Mr Buu

MSSJ level of strength IMO, couldn't agree more with this rank.



I'm curious though, where do you have base Vegito? Since you're using the movies also, he should be 2nd on the list, below Super Vegito but above Buuhan by a slight margin...

Edits In Bold

quote Yoshi Egg

1. SSJ Vegito
2. Base Vegito
3. Buuhan
4. Buutenks
5. Ultimate Gohan
6. SSJ Gogeta
7. Buucollo
8. SSJ3 Gotenks <=> Super Buu
9. Super Jeanmba
10. Hirudegarn
11. SSJ3 Kakarot <=> Kid Buu
12. Fat Janemba <=> Fat Buu
13. Majin Vegeta <=> SSJ2 Goku
14. LSSJ Broly
15. Evil Buu
16. Mr Buu

quote G_O_G_E_T_A

Another one that is really hard to place. In the non canon universe I think he's stronger than Ultimate Gohan, though weaker than Super Janemba, who in my book is weaker than canon Super Buu, which all results into a big mess because canon and non canon PL comparisons are often flawled. This is just opinion purely, hard to really argue against.

How do you figure. SSJ3 Gotenks <<< Gohan And SSJ3 gotenks beat Hitrudnegarn pretty easily. So That makes no sense at all.

quote G_O_G_E_T_A

SSJ3 Gotenks >>> Super Janemba IMO, but again, tricky. Also, when I post PL chains/comparisons, I usually have Super Buu and SSJ3 Gotenks as equals for arguments' sake, but who knows, Gotenks might have been a tad more powerful, who's to say...

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6. Super Buu

I have Super Janemba at best at this Buu's level, but that aside, I agree with the placing for Super Buu. SSJ3 Gotenks would be at this rank too more or less in my opinion.

Thats a fairly big contradiction here. >>> Is alot of a difference for Gotenks and Jeanemba who somehow is equal to super Buu.

quote Yoshi Egg

I think it would be:

9. Kid Buu

I belive that Fat Buu (full power)=Kid Buu

quote Yoshi Egg

10. Fat Janemba <=> Fat Buu

Fat Buu at full power should be stronger.SSJ3 Goku defeated Fat Janemba without any effort.He probably used the same effor tat he used against Fat Buu but Fat Buu on the other hand wasn't defeated.

quote Yoshi Egg

1. Broly LSSJ <=> Majin Vegeta

Perfect Cell>LSSJ Broly

quote Yoshi Egg

13. Mr Buu

This one won't pass.Mr.Buu fought much better against Kid Buu then SSJ2 Vegeta did.He lasted MUCH longer then SSJ2 Vegeta did.

Vegeta was out in 2 hits.Mr.Buu also was loosing energy when he was fighting Kid Buu but After every hit he stood up and attacked Kiddy again.

Mr.Buu should be much stronger then any SSJ2.

quote America

I belive that Fat Buu (full power)=Kid Buu

Its been stated fact otherwise. GOGETA or Mishi will cover that

quote America

Fat Buu at full power should be stronger.SSJ3 Goku defeated Fat Janemba without any effort.He probably used the same effor tat he used against Fat Buu but Fat Buu on the other hand wasn't defeated.

Goku caught Janemba offguard though. He went straight for the kill. He was just stalling against buu.

quote America

This one won't pass.Mr.Buu fought much better against Kid Buu then SSJ2 Vegeta did.He lasted MUCH longer then SSJ2 Vegeta did.

Uhhhhh Not really.... Vegeta got a punch or two in actually. Plus
SSJ2 Vegeta > Mr. Buu IMO

quote America

Mr.Buu should be much stronger then any SSJ2.

How? SSJ3 Goku > Fat Buu. Mr. Buu is less than half of Fat Buu's Power. There's no way he could be "way stronger" than any ssj2.

quote Old Man Zangetsu

Edits In Bold

quote Yoshi Egg

1. SSJ Vegito
2. Base Vegito
3. Buuhan
4. Buutenks
5. Ultimate Gohan
6. SSJ Gogeta
7. Buucollo
8. SSJ3 Gotenks <=> Super Buu
9. Super Jeanmba
10. Hirudegarn
11. SSJ3 Kakarot <=> Kid Buu
12. Fat Janemba <=> Fat Buu
13. Majin Vegeta <=> SSJ2 Goku
14. LSSJ Broly
15. Evil Buu
16. Mr Buu

You can make your own list, but don't edit mine with your own opinions, especially not change my own spin on the names. That seems rather jack assish.

People underate Super Janemba, as well as SSJ3 Kakarot, both are stronger than people realize, and closer to Super Buu in power. And another thing that people don't realize is that Super Janemba is actually ways beyond SSJ3 Kakarot, Kakarot's lines about Janemba is:

"But he's strong, I don't think he can be beat."

And replying to Vegeta's comment:

Vegeta: "How can we beat this guy?"
Kakarot: "There is only one way, fusion. It's the only way to beat him, Vegeta."

He wouldn't be saying or doing that if he didn't mean it. Janemba and Kakarot looked even, and the thing that beat Kakarot was his moves unpredictable moves, but I think it's more than that, simply because Kakarot already knew of Janemba's dimensional techniques. Kakarot would've found another way to beat him if they were actually even, besides fusing, because that's his way of fighting, that's how he was against Cell, because he knew he couldn't beat him. Plus, I also think Super Janemba was toying with Kakarot, in the first place.

Kid Buu and SSJ3 Kakarot looked even, but there were a lot of key hints to say that Kakarot was stronger, simply because he didn't use the fusion dance, Kakarot wanted Vegeta to have a turn, and even said he would've beat Buu with a full power kamehameha. There are no true even fights in DBZ, unless they had the exact same power level, which they would most likely not have in the Buu Arc.

quote Yoshi Egg

quote Old Man Zangetsu

Edits In Bold

quote Yoshi Egg

1. SSJ Vegito
2. Base Vegito
3. Buuhan
4. Buutenks
5. Ultimate Gohan
6. SSJ Gogeta
7. Buucollo
8. SSJ3 Gotenks <=> Super Buu
9. Super Jeanmba
10. Hirudegarn
11. SSJ3 Kakarot <=> Kid Buu
12. Fat Janemba <=> Fat Buu
13. Majin Vegeta <=> SSJ2 Goku
14. LSSJ Broly
15. Evil Buu
16. Mr Buu

You can make your own list, but don't edit mine with your own opinions, especially not change my own spin on the names. That seems rather jack assish.

Him editing your list is his own list.... Editing your list with his opinions would fall into the category of making his own list would it not? Not changing it surely wouldn't be his own opinion/list.

And why get so upset with him changing your name schemes? He is only using the correct, official names...

No offense Yoshi, but I think you are taking his post a little to harshly, and you are sort of coming off rude to him....

His edit of your list is his valid opinion and his own list with official character names. And I have to say I agree with his list more, but even if I didn't I would still be telling you the same thing regardless...

quote Mishimi

His edit of your list is his valid opinion and his own list with official character names.

I don't see any names on Yoshi's list that are incorrect,Kakarot IS an official character name (just ask Bardock,Vegeta,Paragus,Raditz,Broly,and Nappa)

And in the manga,Vegito is called Vegirot,so that IS his official name,to an extent.

quote Yoshi Egg

He wouldn't be saying or doing that if he didn't mean it. Janemba and Kakarot looked even, and the thing that beat Kakarot was his moves unpredictable moves, but I think it's more than that, simply because Kakarot already knew of Janemba's dimensional techniques. Kakarot would've found another way to beat him if they were actually even, besides fusing, because that's his way of fighting, that's how he was against Cell, because he knew he couldn't beat him. Plus, I also think Super Janemba was toying with Kakarot, in the first place.

Thats nice and all... But I have Goku Below Janemba... So I'm not sure what youre trying to prove here...
But yeah obviously Goku suggested fusion. He wasnt strong enough to beat him 1v1. (Which is reflected in my list). And its not like he could go get Gotenks or Gohan down there. So obviously they had to fuse. It was the only option given the situation. Pikkon is < SSJ2 So he's Obsolete. Vegeta < Goku. If this was on earth it wouldnt have been the only option.

quote Yoshi Egg

Kid Buu and SSJ3 Kakarot looked even, but there were a lot of key hints to say that Kakarot was stronger, simply because he didn't use the fusion dance, Kakarot wanted Vegeta to have a turn, and even said he would've beat Buu with a full power kamehameha. There are no true even fights in DBZ, unless they had the exact same power level, which they would most likely not have in the Buu Arc.

Buu could've done the same thing. The Kamehameha amplifies power to beyond what the users actual power is. So yeah he could've possibly beat buu with it as they were even. So no you are incorrect in saying Goku > K Buu. Nothing suggests his PL is Greater than Buu's. If anything theres more evidence to state the opposite.

quote Old Man Zangetsu

Its been stated fact otherwise. GOGETA or Mishi will cover that

Nope it's been not.We went trough this ones and it could go either way.

quote Old Man Zangetsu

Goku caught Janemba offguard though. He went straight for the kill. He was just stalling against buu.

No he never caught him off gurad.Janemba saw Goku coming.

Buu was also playing around with Goku.SSJ2 Goku dodged Janemba's blast.

quote Old Man Zangetsu

Uhhhhh Not really.... Vegeta got a punch or two in actually. Plus
SSJ2 Vegeta > Mr. Buu IMO

Nope that never happend in the manga.Vegeta never touched Kid Buu

quote Old Man Zangetsu

How? SSJ3 Goku > Fat Buu. Mr. Buu is less than half of Fat Buu's Power. There's no way he could be "way stronger" than any ssj2.

Doesn't matter.Fat Buu is a whole league above any SSJ2.Goku and Piccolo said that no SSJ2 stands a chance against Fat Buu and that's the Fat Buu that didn't even Power up to his full power.

Take a away les then half of his power and you still get a fighter much stronger then any SSJ2.I mean that's what shown with his fight with Kid Buu.You can't go around that.

Mr.Buu had enough Ki to last as long as he did while Vegeta didn't have enough Ki to last even two punches.

This message was edited by America on Nov 12 2009.