Janemba vs Majin Buu - Page 3

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Actually, it may have been an eruption of anger instead. I wouldn't be so quick to call it a power up, I recall Super Saiyan Goku do something similar against Frieza after he just transformed. A character displaying an aura isn't necessarily a power up...

I guess we will never know whether it was a burst of anger or a power up. But it did to me look like Janemba powered up to his maximum. It's just that Gogeta in the movie wasn't fazed at all because he was still much more powerful than him regardless.

quote G_O_G_E_T_A

Regardless, even if it were in fact a power up, that is still no reason for me to put Janemba any higher than I initially did. I more or less agree with your list, although Janemba's fat form, I would personally put below Fat Buu, as he was actually able to land a hit on SSJ3 Goku, whereas Janemba was basically steamrolled into the ground. It's tricky, comparing canon and non canon characters, I know, but it's seems better to me placing Fat Buu above Janemba's original form...

Like I said, I higly doubt Janemba "powered up" near to Super Buu's power level, but he did made me convinced enough to estimate that he was at least much more powerful than Kid Buu, but still much less powerdful to Super Buu.

As for Janemba in his base form, I just made a rough estimate as well. Because Janemba was completely caught off guard when Goku powered up so greatly in such short of an amount of time. Goku in no time flat after went right down to business. Fat Janemba stood no chance whatsoever of retaliating against Goku.

Fat Buu on the other hand was able to sort of prepare how to fight back Goku a little since it took Goku what? 6 minutes to power up from SSJ2 to SSJ3 in the series while it took Goku less than 30 seconds in Movie 12 to go to SSJ3?

Then again, it's non-canon in which Toei made made the movie so naturally, it could be the fact that Janemba in his Base Form is more powerful than Fat Buu to start out with.

With Buu's regeneration i don't doubt for a second it would be a fight for the ages!! lol

janemba may be slightly more powerful than Kid Buu which would obviously mean that he is even because of Kid Buu's regeneration because as we know you need to be more powerful than Buu for his Regereration to be dealt with properly.

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In theory Janemba is the most powerful foe in the DBZ series, he is made of evil energy in the universe, so in regards of kai it's 'very' high already.

He's only made up of the evil energy contained in that storage tank, which upon overloading overtook the ogre that was operating it, and the result was Janemba. That isn't anywhere near all the evil energy in the entire universe...

As for his fight with Goku, I do recall Goku getting some half decent shots in, actually affecting Janemba and temporarily making him lose his balance and staggering back a few feet, absorbing the blow. Goku didn't start losing until Janemba launched that mouth beam, and followed it up with his sword attack. Janemba is without question stronger than SSJ3 Goku, but by no means by an over-excessive amount, because if he was, Goku's attacks would have had zero effect (kind of like Gogeta taking that punch to the face from Janemba and not flinching at all from it), but they did have an effect...

Since Janemba is above SSJ3 Goku, it's safe to say that he should be able to handle each Majin Buu incarnation that ranks below Goku ki wise, being Fat Buu, Evil Buu and Good Buu. Kid Buu IMO, would be the best opponent for Janemba. The Super Buu incarnations would be too much in my book, which I base off of my beliefs about the SSJ3 Goku situation I mentioned earlier. I for one think SSJ3 Gotenks would at least give Janemba loads of trouble, not to mention any being stronger than him...

I think Janemba is pretty cool and all, but I never fell for the hype that seems to surround him. No offense intented, but I think people overrate Janemba a lot. At best I'd put him equal to unaltered Super Buu. But that's the problem of comparing canon characters to non canon ones, the strength comparisons aren't necessarily in sync, so differing opinions is the logical result really...

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Actually those tanks (and it wasn't one as footage show other tanks being destroyed releasing the sludge that cameonto the worker who would become janemba) contained all the evil in hell that were to be purified or king yemna puts it 'that sludge represents thousands of years of spirtual waste and its all being released at once' And otherworld takes in the souls of the dead from all over the universe. How many is frankly endless if we want to be technical about it so janemba's power is already set to be naturally high.

Even so, this is hardly evidence enough to automatically classify Janemba as the strongest DBZ villain ever, which is the point I was trying to get across with my last reply.

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Compare this with super buu gotenks, this is the buu form that is undoubtly stronger then SSJ3 goku but despite it being one sided goku still has plenty of spark to maintain SSJ3 and even fights off buu gotenks. The difference with janemba is that janemba was able to take apart goku SSJ3, so in that respect there is clear evidence that janemba is more powerful then buu gotenks let alone gotenks.

Where did Goku fight off Buutenks? The only instance where Goku was able to land a hit was when Buutenks was blasting that Potara earring away from Gohan, and Goku's warrior instincts allowed him to seize the moment and take advantage of the opening in Buu's defenses. But even after getting the brunt of that ki blast, Buu didn't have a single scratch on him, and was able to pummel Goku around with zero effort afterwards. Goku is weaker than unaltered Super Buu, never mind Buutenks, who is about twice as strong. Against Janemba though, Goku got some hits in, that Janemba could have dodged as he was not taken off-guard, but apparently was unable to, and he did take damage as he actually had to stumble backwards to regain his balance after one of Goku's strikes...

I've seen people use a similar logic to yours before, and given the fact that we are still debating and comparing canon and non canon events means the real answer is far from obvious. Neither of us can be wrong, just disagreed with, that's the whole problem with comparing Toei made material to AT's manga. The movies don't always follow the strength comparisons from the manga, the result being those debates with people's logic and opinions varying like crazy. I can tell, I've debated this stuff for years...

I would like to say Buu here, but going to say Janemba final form. Super was not all that smart, and I highly doubt he'll stop and think why can't he do anything to him and then use verbal insults... >.>

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Super buu is by logic too strong for goku but it was buutenks that took goku down in quick succseion and buutenks is a lot more powerful than super buu, so how can super buu be a reasonable comparison to janemba when super buu itself was about even with a SSJ3 gotenks?

By my estimations, Buutenks is approximately 2x stronger than Super Buu, as Super Buu and SSJ3 Gotenks were about even, seems fair to me. As for why Super Buu can compare to Janemba, it's all still opinion based of course, but I stand by my points about Janemba not being leaps and bounds ahead of SSJ3 Goku. SSJ3 Gotenks is considerably stronger than SSJ3 Goku, I even place Gotenks' regular SSJ form, post ROSAT training, pretty much on even footing with Goku's SSJ3. If we follow the boosts given in the SEG, then SSJ3 is 8x stronger than SSJ, which gives SSJ3 Gotenks a massive advantage over SSJ3 Goku. Super Buu was about equal to SSJ3 Gotenks, not too much of a difference there, which is pretty much my logic when I say that Super Buu is close to Janemba...

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When goku fought buutenks it was a defensive fight, goku's intention is to last and wait for gohan to get the earing. Evading buutenks fist was one and blocking his knee was second. Goku was second to opt in the high speed fight given buu went straight into it. Goku's stragety was defensive. He knew then though that buutenks would be too much to handle given he was aware of the power gotenks would add to it. However whilst buutenks did get the hits comming in, goku was still standing and still had enough energy clearly later on when he teams with vegeta when buugohan comes after them.

Compare the Goku-Buutenks fight with the Ultimate Gohan-Buutenks fight, there should be an obvious difference. Buutenks was out to kill Gohan, and avenge the ass-kicking he received from him earlier, whilst he had no intention of killing Goku, as he didn't even attempt one serious deadly attack against Goku whereas he attemped several against Gohan. Buutenks was pretty much toying with Goku, is another way of putting it. In a serious fight, Buutenks would have killed Goku in a matter of seconds, even unaltered Super Buu may have been able to do that, judging from Goku's obvious fear and discomfort at the mere idea of having to fight him un-fused...

Goku versus Janemba was a fight to the death though, and if anything, it was mostly Janemba's special techniques that did Goku in, not necessarily his huge powerlevel. So no Korgeta, I still have to disagree with you about Janemba > Buutenks being factual or anything and Buuhan being the only Buu incarnation able to stand up to Janemba, I just don't see it the same way. IMO, both Buutenks and Buuhan would power wise, annihilate our demon friend. Unaltered Super Buu, Buucollo and "Buff Buu" would have a small edge power wise and may have trouble due to Janemba's weird-ass techniques, and all the other Buu's are clearly weaker as SSJ3 Goku was either equal to them, or stronger, and said Goku was outmatched by Janemba completely...

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I would like to say Buu here, but going to say Janemba final form. Super was not all that smart, and I highly doubt he'll stop and think why can't he do anything to him and then use verbal insults...

That's not even close to being the truth, though. Even without Piccolo's brains, unaltered Super Buu already was pretty intelligent. His actions and behavior might not suggest it immediately, but the fact that he was able to piece that whole absorption plan together to turn the tables on Gohan was a flash of his intelligence. Aside from the forms that have Piccolo included in them, he is clearly the most intelligent of all the Buu's...

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We all agree that Mystic Gohan is about as strong as FPSSJ3 Goku, but has enormous stamina. And he completely trashed Super Buu, he even put up a decent fight against Fusion Buu. So using that logic, since Janemba completely thrashed SSJ# Goku in Other World, that he could thrash Mystic Gohan, and then we could continue that to say he thrashed Super Buu's base form.

1st bolded part; I hugely disagree with that. Goku flatout admitted he has no chance against Super Buu, and Gohan kicked his ass without a sweat. Maybe in Toei's mind Goku is close to Gohan, but canon wise, Gohan is in a league of his own, he possessed a level of power Goku could barely comprehend as was obvious from his reaction when Gohan let his power loose on Kaioshinkai...

2nd bolded part; Goku was only able to do something when Buutenks had his focus shifted to Gohan, who was about searching for the Potara earring. Goku took advantage of that and blasted Buutenks with a ki blast, which showscases his huge fighting intellect and instincts, but other than that, Goku was completely owned, his blast did nothing and from the looks of things, Buutenks was only putting in minimal effort doing it...

I say that Super Buu wins if we are talking about manga Super Buu.I think that he is stronger then Janemba and his regenration should prove to be very handy.

Maybe its just me, and this has been discussed. Most of us are of the belief that SSJ Vegetto is stronger than SSJ Gogeta, by how much is a question but I don't think its by a crazy factor. And we saw what SSJ Vegetto did to Gohan Buu.

But when Gogeta fought Janemba his hits didn't even knock him off his feet. It hurt a little but mostly pissed him off. You gotta give him credit for taking blows. Buu just got ragdolled. Now either that means Vegetto is way stronger than Gogeta or Janemba is a little stronger than some people think.