quoteSuper buu is by logic too strong for goku but it was buutenks that took goku down in quick succseion and buutenks is a lot more powerful than super buu, so how can super buu be a reasonable comparison to janemba when super buu itself was about even with a SSJ3 gotenks?
By my estimations, Buutenks is approximately 2x stronger than Super Buu, as Super Buu and SSJ3 Gotenks were about even, seems fair to me. As for why Super Buu can compare to Janemba, it's all still opinion based of course, but I stand by my points about Janemba not being leaps and bounds ahead of SSJ3 Goku. SSJ3 Gotenks is considerably stronger than SSJ3 Goku, I even place Gotenks' regular SSJ form, post ROSAT training, pretty much on even footing with Goku's SSJ3. If we follow the boosts given in the SEG, then SSJ3 is 8x stronger than SSJ, which gives SSJ3 Gotenks a massive advantage over SSJ3 Goku. Super Buu was about equal to SSJ3 Gotenks, not too much of a difference there, which is pretty much my logic when I say that Super Buu is close to Janemba...
quoteWhen goku fought buutenks it was a defensive fight, goku's intention is to last and wait for gohan to get the earing. Evading buutenks fist was one and blocking his knee was second. Goku was second to opt in the high speed fight given buu went straight into it. Goku's stragety was defensive. He knew then though that buutenks would be too much to handle given he was aware of the power gotenks would add to it. However whilst buutenks did get the hits comming in, goku was still standing and still had enough energy clearly later on when he teams with vegeta when buugohan comes after them.
Compare the Goku-Buutenks fight with the Ultimate Gohan-Buutenks fight, there should be an obvious difference. Buutenks was out to kill Gohan, and avenge the ass-kicking he received from him earlier, whilst he had no intention of killing Goku, as he didn't even attempt one serious deadly attack against Goku whereas he attemped several against Gohan. Buutenks was pretty much toying with Goku, is another way of putting it. In a serious fight, Buutenks would have killed Goku in a matter of seconds, even unaltered Super Buu may have been able to do that, judging from Goku's obvious fear and discomfort at the mere idea of having to fight him un-fused...
Goku versus Janemba was a fight to the death though, and if anything, it was mostly Janemba's special techniques that did Goku in, not necessarily his huge powerlevel. So no Korgeta, I still have to disagree with you about Janemba > Buutenks being factual or anything and Buuhan being the only Buu incarnation able to stand up to Janemba, I just don't see it the same way. IMO, both Buutenks and Buuhan would power wise, annihilate our demon friend. Unaltered Super Buu, Buucollo and "Buff Buu" would have a small edge power wise and may have trouble due to Janemba's weird-ass techniques, and all the other Buu's are clearly weaker as SSJ3 Goku was either equal to them, or stronger, and said Goku was outmatched by Janemba completely...
quoteI would like to say Buu here, but going to say Janemba final form. Super was not all that smart, and I highly doubt he'll stop and think why can't he do anything to him and then use verbal insults...
That's not even close to being the truth, though. Even without Piccolo's brains, unaltered Super Buu already was pretty intelligent. His actions and behavior might not suggest it immediately, but the fact that he was able to piece that whole absorption plan together to turn the tables on Gohan was a flash of his intelligence. Aside from the forms that have Piccolo included in them, he is clearly the most intelligent of all the Buu's...
quoteWe all agree that Mystic Gohan is about as strong as FPSSJ3 Goku, but has enormous stamina. And he completely trashed Super Buu, he even put up a decent fight against Fusion Buu. So using that logic, since Janemba completely thrashed SSJ# Goku in Other World, that he could thrash Mystic Gohan, and then we could continue that to say he thrashed Super Buu's base form.
1st bolded part; I hugely disagree with that. Goku flatout admitted he has no chance against Super Buu, and Gohan kicked his ass without a sweat. Maybe in Toei's mind Goku is close to Gohan, but canon wise, Gohan is in a league of his own, he possessed a level of power Goku could barely comprehend as was obvious from his reaction when Gohan let his power loose on Kaioshinkai...
2nd bolded part; Goku was only able to do something when Buutenks had his focus shifted to Gohan, who was about searching for the Potara earring. Goku took advantage of that and blasted Buutenks with a ki blast, which showscases his huge fighting intellect and instincts, but other than that, Goku was completely owned, his blast did nothing and from the looks of things, Buutenks was only putting in minimal effort doing it...