Title. I think he'd probably be a bit stronger than ssj3 Gotenks.

This message was edited by Yoshi Egg on Nov 13 2009.

That's WAY too high man. Dende is not a warrior Namekian, this was explicitly stated. Frankly, merger with Dende would give Piccolo magical powers mostly. Ki, not so much I don't think. Gotenks wouldn't even need to transform to take him out I reckon...

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That's WAY too high man. Dende is not a warrior Namekian, this was explicitly stated. Frankly, merger with Dende would give Piccolo magical powers mostly. Ki, not so much I don't think. Gotenks wouldn't even need to transform to take him out I reckon...

But did you see how much power Kami gave Piccolo, it was a lot, Dende is stronger than Kami since his power with the dragon balls exceeds Kami's.

What "powers" though? Magic powers is what's related to the Dragonballs, and as we know from the Buu Arc, magic and ki are two completely different types of power. Dende can very well have more magical powers than Kami, effectively enabling Shenron to grant more powerful wishes, but Dende was still stated to not be a warrior Namekian, unlike Kami, who was actually showed to be a rather skilled warrior. And another thing I thought of, the reason why Kami powered Piccolo up so much might have to do with the fact that they used to be one in the first place (or at least, Kami and Daimao used to be) optimizing their compatibility, which may have made "Kamiccolo" so strong. There's no guarantee Dende would power Piccolo up equally much. For one, I would be inclined to think he would not, Dende is just not that great in terms of ki. He has tons of magic powers, but ki, not so much...

It wouldn't work. It's stated that for a fusion the two that fuse must have the same ki. Unless Piccolo compressed his Ki it wouldn't work.

DPZ, Namekian fusion =/= metamorese fusion method.... This is Namekian fusion, where PL's do not need to be equal.... Piccolo was stronger than Kami when they remerged. Piccolo and Nail were also not at the same PL when they fused.

Potara fusion is like Namekian fusion in the regard that they do not need to be at the same PL to do it.

Dende would probably give Piccolo somewhat of a power increase, but I do not agree with him being stronger than SSJ3 Goku, much less stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks, whom >>>> SSJ3 Goku themselves.

Namekian fusion was never explained really.... What we do know however, is that Nail was btean up and thrashed from his fight with Freeza... So we know that he was not at his max power of 42,000 when he fused with Piccolo, yet the resulting fusion gave Piccolo an immense power increase.... For all we know, Nail could have been in the mere hundreds in PL when Piccolo found him, he was beaten so badly, and on the ground all f'ed up... LOL

But Nail IS a warrior Namekian, so I agree with GOGETA more or less.... Dende does has advanced magical powers... His healing power would fall under that category would it not? But he does not have a high PL, nor is he a fighter, that much is fact....

Dende could be comparable to the likes of Chazou, Bidibi, and Babidi, in the fact all four have advanced psychic/magical powers, but lack a high PL.... Chazou was always far behind everyone else strength wise, including Yamcha, Krillin and Tien..... But he had pretty advanced pyschic powers compared to the other humans. Bibidi and Babidi relied heavily on their magical powers and mind control capabilities of evil beings..... Babidi tried using his magic on Piccolo, and he failed, and because his PL was so low, Piccolo cut him in half with a single physical chop.... Dende would be in the same category.... Weak strength wise, but has great magical power....

What we also know is that Kami was MUCH weaker than Piccolo when they remerged... But that's just it... They didn't fuse or merge alone, they REmerged, as they used to be one as it was.... And together, they were already a Super Namek, stronger than any normal Saiyajin, stated by Guru.... For some reason, when Piccolo and Kami first split, their seperate powers were laughable compared to their PL joined as one.... They were merely in the low hundreds seperately, but in the estimated high hundred thousands or even low millions together judging by Gurus statement?

So that would lead me to believe that Namekian fusion multiplies their powers like CRAZY when they fuse... Piccolo and Nail are proof of that alone... Kami and Piccolo remerging probably made it an even LARGER increase because of the fact they were originally one to begin with.....

So Dende could probably give Piccolo a prettyu considerable increase in PL, but perhaps not.... After all, Kami and Nail are warrior Namekians.... Perhaps that is what makes the fusion multiplier so huge? Maybe when Nail and Piccolo fused, even though Nail was injured and not at full strength, perhaps fusing with a healthy, 100% strength Namekian like Piccolo, healed Nail as well, causing his full power of 42,000 to return, and then their two collective powers multiplied to reach the 1 million or so mark....

Not fact, but a plausable theory none the less..... Most fans use this logic to explain the power increases anyway.... I mean, technically, we know it is all just plot device that created these huge increases, but for the sake of trying to explain it story wise, besides just saying "Technical plot device", then that theory works well.... Logical answer....

So what would Dende do for Piccolo? Well for starters, Piccolo would probably inherit the ability to heal people like Dende can, that's a very likely possibility..... But PL wise? I dunno... If Piccolo already possessed strength that was higher than a normal fresh SSJ PL, then fusing with Dende IMO, with a possible multiplier of decent proportions, would maybe make Piccolo as strong as a SSJ2, at best.... But as strong as a SSJ3 of Gokus, much less Gotenks' proportion? I doubt it....

Piccolo at SSJ2 strength would still be nothing for someone like Buu to handle..... Even if he did gain SSJ3 strength, still nothing for Buu to follow.... But I cannot see him getting that much of an increase from a non warrior type Namekian like Dende.... Dende is a healer type, also a member of the Dragon Clan, but not a warrior type like Nail and Kami....

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It wouldn't work. It's stated that for a fusion the two that fuse must have the same ki. Unless Piccolo compressed his Ki it wouldn't work.

This is not a requirement for the Namekian assimilation technique. The only requirement is that one Namekian should serve as the base of the assimilation, and the other will simply cease to exist. As Mishimi said already, the Metamorian's way of fusing is the only one that needs synchronized ki's for it work succesfully. Not the Potara's, not Namekian assimilation, just the dance.

@Mishimi: I agree with the majority of what you said, as your post is basically an extended elaboration on mine, but there's one thing I found I don't quite agree with, being this:

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What we also know is that Kami was MUCH weaker than Piccolo when they remerged... But that's just it... They didn't fuse or merge alone, they REmerged, as they used to be one as it was.... And together, they were already a Super Namek, stronger than any normal Saiyajin, stated by Guru.... For some reason, when Piccolo and Kami first split, their seperate powers were laughable compared to their PL joined as one.... They were merely in the low hundreds seperately, but in the estimated high hundred thousands or even low millions together judging by Gurus statement?

Was "the Namekian" suggested to be THAT ridiculously strong though? I just recall Guru saying that if Piccolo were merged together with Kami, then Piccolo would have easily killed the Saiyans. He did mention Super Saiyan, but then you would have to question whether or not Guru knew how strong Super Saiyans actually are. Tbh with you, I think it's a huge stretch to put the Namekian in the millions, that's an absolutely insane multiplier when you compare this level of power to Kami and Piccolo Daimao/Jr's own and after that, the merger between Piccolo and Kami in the Android arc...

Now that I think of that (multipliers for the Namekian merger), I don't even think there is a multiplier. If we compare the above example to the merger between Piccolo Kami in the Android arc, we can conclude that Piccolo's power didn't multiply several thousand fold, by my personal assessment it probably doubled, or tripled at best, but nowhere near a thousand fold increase. This leads me to believe that Namekian fusion doesn't give multipliers, but power bursts instead with no default multipliers attached to it...

Anyways, back to Dende, I personally doubt merging with him would make Piccolo much stronger. The Namekians were divided up into classes (elders/healers/Dragon Clan/warriors etc), with each class having their own unique specialties. It makes sense that apart from the races' general skills, such as regeneration, that each class would have their own specific skills as well. For warrior Namekians, this could be skills such as assimilation, to produce stronger fighters on the battefield if necessary. Elders or healers would not need this, as they are not compatible for fighting anyway. So looking at it that way, Dende may very well not even be ABLE to merge in the first place as he was explicitly stated to be part of the Dragon Clan and healer classes (which proves that Namekians can be part of more than one class, Kami is proof of this as well), not warrior class...

But even if he were able to, then I still think he would hardly power Piccolo up at all, for two reasons:

*him not being a warrior Namekian. Even if this still allows him to assimilate with Piccolo, then his extremely weak PL (which IMO does not even exceed a 100), would only give a minimal increase. This won't even put Piccolo above unfused Super Saiyans, never mind Gotenks.

*the comparison with Kami does not work as Kami and Piccolo (Daimao) used to be a single entity. Chances are that a rejoining of these two was so strong because they were 100% compatible, the perfect match as it were since they were one to begin with.

So would Dende power Piccolo up? If they could fuse, yeah, he would, but it wouldn't be anything Gotenks can't handle in base form I don't think. Piccolo would mostly benefit in the magic department, since that's where Dende's real skills lie. Piccolo is a warrior, the two of them are anything but compatible for a powerful merger from the looks of it...

Lol. Now I see. I forgot who Dende was. But anyway even if Piccolo and Dende fused it still wouldn't make Piccolo much stronger. He would probably just have healing powers.

Piccolo inheriting healing powers is pretty much something I think we can all agree with... How much of a power increase would result from the fusion is something we will all have different opinions on I think...

Piccolo might even get weaker since Dende was not a warrior and had zero fighting experience. Goku was saying that a Fusion with Satan might weaken him, so by that logic, it would weaken Piccolo as well.

The reason why the Fusion with Kami made him stronger, in case people have forgotten, is because Kami and Pcicolo were once one being. Then when he split, the two halves were not at maximum power. Bringing the two halves together made the truest powerful form of Piccolo. Sure, this Piccolo is really not the one who split with Kami, but don't let that stop that explanation, since it's the one given.

LOL.... That would suck if Dende made Piccolo weaker..... Piccolo would be pissed!

"Gah! What?! I'm weaker?! And shorter?!?! Goku! Kill me! Kill me now! Please! I beg of you!"

I don't know about weakening him. I mean, it's still Piccolo PLUS Dende, so Piccolo would at least gain a marginal power up. But that's about it for him I reckon. I think we can all agree that Piccolo would benefit mostly from a union with Dende in the magic department, as that's Dende's expertise...

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The reason why the Fusion with Kami made him stronger, in case people have forgotten, is because Kami and Pcicolo were once one being. Then when he split, the two halves were not at maximum power. Bringing the two halves together made the truest powerful form of Piccolo. Sure, this Piccolo is really not the one who split with Kami, but don't let that stop that explanation, since it's the one given.

Well, Daimao DID transfer his essence/lifeforce into the egg Piccolo Jr was in, which is what kept his ties with Kami in tact, so I don't know whether that's necessarily true. Piccolo Jr IS Daimao, after all, new and improved...

Piccolo Jr. is his own Namekian though, he is not a literal clone of Daimao.... He has his fathers evil essence and power, but he isn't really the same exact being as Daimao was..... But yes, what you said is exactly why they were still tied together... Because of Daimao putting his essence into Piccolo Jr. I.E. all of Daimaos memories and junk....

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Piccolo Jr. is his own Namekian though, he is not a literal clone of Daimao.... He has his fathers evil essence and power, but he isn't really the same exact being as Daimao was.....

I recall Goku saying something along the lines of "that is Piccolo Daimao", when referring to Piccolo Jr. So they (Daimao and Jr), were at least VERY close to being the same, of course due to the fact that Daimao transferred his essense and/or lifeforce into Jr's egg. I'd have to look up the exact statement though to be 100% sure on this...