Sothe vs Rolf - Page 10

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2xphysic - From what you said, You can steal plenty of these. So no thanks

Wouldn't you still need a thief to steal physic staves?

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You mean the points that only showed how Rolf can still help in battle? You're "Debunking" still shows rolf helps more than Sothe.

wtf? If I wanted someone who can fight, I'd use a fighter who could fight better than Rolf, which is basically any other fighter in the game.
And, "help in battle"? He can't counterattack, and he has complete crap for durability so you have to wall him in, and his offense phails. He's hurting the team a lot more than he's helping.

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Please explain how thats a load of BS in better terms.

Thieves open chests/doors, and the important thing to steal are physics from bishops. Chests/doors can't attack, and bishops are laughably weak.

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2xLaguz Axe - Only used in hard mode and barely even then. Laguz weapons are a waste of time

wtf? Laguz are one of the hardest enemies to kill. And this laguz axe has 26 mt on them. To compare, a steel axe has 11, and a silver axe has 16. Take plz.

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Killer Bow - For someone who always says crit is unreliable? Thats interesting

Early on, when units have a 0% chance of one-rounding stuff, crits are better than nothing. They're not that good later in the game when units can one-round without such chance.

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2xsilver lance - Buyable. Me no likey

No, not the one in chapter 16. Silver lances aren't buyable then.

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2xphysic - From what you said, You can steal plenty of these. So no thanks

Starting at chapter 20, but this thing is in chapter 16.

And you still need a thief for physics. So either way, Sothe's got a good chance of going in. Nice job.

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silence staff - Exactly who do you plan on silencing? You should have enough exp for your healers from all those stolen physics

Ah, but you see, you said you aren't going to steal very many physics, so your staff users will want all the free exp they can get.

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Stiletto - Ha, no. Knives = pointless ESPECIALLY for someone who doesn't fight.

It may be enough to let him kill mages; I'll need to double check. And then, you can always just sell it.

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Thoron - Worthless - forge a thunder tome. Less weight same power (not too sure, but maybe more?)

You only have a certain amount of times at the forge. So my team gets to save a forged weapon? w1n.

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Silver Bow - Buyable. Me No likey

Not at the time you get it.

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Tomahawk - It's a decent weapon, but it depends on who your using.

Any axe user would take it.

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2xBolganone - Worthless, forge a fire tome. (same as thoron)

Then I save 2 more forged weapons.

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Sleep - Coin Toss as well

Free exp plz.

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Spear - Not especially needed. Forged Javelins get the job done just as well.

Then my team saves another forged weapon.

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Sothe not getting attacked doesn't say anything about his durability. It just says your playing favorites. If your smart enough to keep Sothe out of battles, Then your smart enough to keep rolf only hitting people who can't counter. Winner = Rolf

wtf? It's MUCH easier to have Sothe far and away from battles than to keep a wall up in front of Rolf so he doesn't get wtfpwned.

Rolf's 10x worst than the rest of his competition, which includes every single fighter in the game.

Sothe's just worst than one unit.

What he means is, the only person who can do what Sothe can do is Volke, and Sothe is weaker than Volke, so Sothe is weaker than one person.

That still doesn't work too well in my opinion, though. The question is Sothe or Rolf, and while Sothe is useful, being a thief and all, Rolf is inherently better. He's not better than most units, in fact, he's weaker than most units, but he's better than Sothe. Isn't that the point of the debate?

(Why you'd choose to use either one is beyond me, though)

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no, the point of the debate is to see who brings more to the team, or who hurts the team less.

Exactly. The debate's about who's better, lol.

quote smash fanatic

Using Sothe means you kick out Volke. Using Rolf means you kick out nearly every other fighter in the game.

Erm, not quite. Using Rolf means you kick out only ONE other person... not your whole team. XD Where did THAT logic come from?

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Erm, not quite. Using Rolf means you kick out only ONE other person... not your whole team. XD Where did THAT logic come from?

Because instead of using Rolf, you can use any other fighter available for a better result.

Yes. But that doesn't mean you kick your WHOLE TEAM out. XD

I think you just worded it wrong. According to your previous post, using Rolf fills about 12 spots in your team, lol.

And if you use the logic above, instead of using Sothe, you can use Volke for a better result.

The number of people who can take their place matters not. What matters is that people CAN take their place. Granted, people better than Volke can take Rolf's place, but that's not the point. Volke and Sothe are the same unit, Volke just has better stats and can promote. Face it, you've got very little argument there.

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So? The different between Sothe and Volke is MUCH smaller than Rolf and even low tier units like Mia, Devdan, Ranulf, and Mordy.

how is Ranulf low teir? he's at least mid

anyway
Volke 20/20:
Hp 45.85
Str 28.5
Mag 2.45
Skill 31.95
Sp 34.85
luck 17.15
Def 14.8
Res 7.9

Rolf 20/20:
Hp 43.8
Str 23.2
Mag 9.6
Skill 27.1
Sp 27
Luck 19.2
Def 19.4
Res 13.5

Sothe cant max any stats over 20 except hp and luck, so i wont put his stats here.

Ok Volke is much better than Sothe and also Rolf. Rolf is better than most actual low teirs but worse than all top and most middle teir. Considering Volke wins Hp, Str, Skill, and Speed, and is an assassin/theif he wins over rolf. I would rather use him as an attacking unit over Rolf even. Sothe is nothing compared to Volke and even Rolf.