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Dec 29, 11 at 7:33am ^Henry = insane copycat killer?
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First of all - Henry is propably a nut. It's hard to tell who he thinks he really is, due to some kind of dissociative personality - dream of being Joseph, sticking pieces of red paper under his own doors in order to read them, strange maybe-Joseph's-maybe-Henry's note which describes his/their nightmare (it's in room 302 of the past) - those are things strongly associated with schizophrenia (at least there's high propability of that).
It's possbile that Henry's memory represses scenes of murdering people, subconsiousness claims he wasn't there at the moment and then his imagination replicates his own victims in the form of the ghosts, as well as Walter's. I suggest that "Walter" is a spectre of his own brutality, wraiths are symbols of vengeance, and that Henry experiences are rather reminescenses of what happened, than actual events - so that's why he is the one to have remorse, but not about what his evil alter ego did - he regrets that he didn't save them, because his mind pretends that it was apparently undead Walter who killed them (and so he feels much less guilty).
Also, the young Walter may be rather a vision of Henry himself from times of his infancy - someone had to wrote about child who looses umbilical cord - why Joseph or adult Walter would do that? Why child would write some kind of little fable about it? I guess it was Henry's work, which would mean that he parted his soul to make the childish one (little Walter) and older (Henry). It's interesting that Henry doesn't recall anything from childhood, and that little Walter does some things that Henry would like to (for egzample - sticking scrapes of red paper under his door).
Another things - we know about Joseph much more than about Henry - does it mean we should think that he is original hero, or maybe Henry's true self, or fantasy? Game started with a view from his eyes - do we see a split of personality during that nightmare? The room where Joseph dies is full of things that do not actually exists in later Henry's room, but are some kind of omens - face on the wall, painting (21 vicitims), picture of Henry - I swear I see some kind of creative concept in this short oniric. Ghost kills Joseph at the end, when everything is ready to start...
Or Joseph-ghost is remnant of someone that Henry killed, or at least was reading about. It's maybe even like that: Henry imagines everyone who had something to do with Walter, and identifies with the closest one, or only immitates if he is resemble.
The duality of Henry/Joseph can be explained also metaphysically - it would be some kind of fusion. When Henry comes outside his flat after he met Joseph - we see that door opens actually two times.
Insanity can explain some random events too. Cynthia dissapearing, Eileen's big head, immortal Walter, Eileen joining him in reprised apartment world ("outside the room 302" level) - those things are bunch of non-sense, but serve to fulfill his fears and desires. Not to mention that Henry saw strange things through window and peephole before they became haunted.
The thing which triggered all this speculation - There were 5 creatures to kill on the last run to final boss fight - and also 5 dead policemen (beside dead Frank Sunderland) mentioned through radio in bad ending, and of course 7 creatures near room 302, so 5 policemen + Henry's unidentified body (superintender + real Eileen - deadly wounded in hospital).
And I guess that in fact the Henry was one who recovered real Walter's body and "buried" him behind his wall while the Joseph is dead/fading/in other city. For sure we know only that he already was in Silent Hill before, and maybe he (not the true Walter) is even that orphan raised by Holy Mother sect. Or simply his body was possesed.
Anyway, I'm not going to create the alternative timelines, cause (due to nature of haunted rooms) it's impossible to prove that Henry is Joseph, or Joseph is Henry, or that any of them (both independently?) was the copycat killer unrelated (?)to real Walter himself. It's like in case of Travis Grady - we'll never know who he was, as long as he is in silent Hill.
However I've found some concepts 100% sure:
1 Henry doesn't meet real Walter and real Eileen, nor she really gets stabbed by Walter - but it may looks like Henry is preparing to do that.
2 Henry and Joseph are like two sides of one coin. When Joseph suddenly dissapears (no body founded - and he would be the only "Walter's" victim killed actually by ghost...) - Henry comes in. Also Joseph haunts Henry in a bit unusual way. And someone masked (for a time)a hole in the wall (that Henry can looks to see Eileen) - doesn't it look like making own taboo, in fear of own obsessiones?
Are my conjectures reasonable? Or maybe I am making Henry suspected only because I'm disturbed by his stalker-like habits?
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Dec 31, 11 at 5:44am ^re: Henry = insane copycat killer?
Okay, so, my Silent Hill knowledge has cooled down from all the years without playing, but I'll do my best to answer.
There are a few things I would like to point out:
Both Eileen and Henry have recollections of being together. The exchange on the hospital on the good endings imply that, at the very least, Henry was not her aggressor and that the victims really did share the experiences they lived on Walter's worlds. Moreover, the worst ending has Henry's face disfigured beyond recognition. Barring some improbable shenanigans, that implies he was not his own killer; he would have died well before inflicting disfiguring wounds to that extreme. If we knew the wounds were made post-mortem, that last fact would have been incontestable; unfortunately, we don't have that information at hand. Note here that because both Eileen and Henry have recollections of the events of the game and because of the fact that Eileen seems to get possessed by Walter the more she's hit by him or his demons (trait no other victim seems to possess), Eileen is the best candidate to be the "real" Walter, and the development and ending of the game would then be but a folie à deux, Eileen being the responsible for all of "Walter"'s killings, and Henry believing in her psychosis where a separate entity is stalking them and killing people around them. That last assumption gains strength when you realize that:
Departing a little from the Walter == Eileen theory and regarding Joseph Schreiber: Joseph had no choice but to let Henry know about Walter. The information he provides as the Giver of Wisdom serves not the purpose of arming Henry with the necessary knowledge to thwart Walter's plans, but to make him apt for sacrifice. Regardless of the Walter's intentions, Henry's role required him to be present at Walter's killings after Joseph and to know about Walter's past. If Walter wanted to succeed, he had no option but to hand Henry the layout of his life (and possibly the ways to thwart his plans). Joseph is not machinating on favour of Henry, but against him. Joseph's equivalence is number XV: the Devil. Whether it's straight or reversed, the Devil has negative connotations, so, regardless of circumstances, Joseph's ghost was trying to cause harm to Henry, or diminishing his probabilities at surviving. As Joseph appears upside-down on Room 302 of the Past, the most probable card layout intended for Joseph was reverted, which incidentally bears the most negative meanings for the given card. The dream at the beginning could be seen either as Joseph's spirit trying to get Henry's trust, one way or another, in order to manipulate him easily, or as a form of forcing Henry to know the truth before the Red Diary scraps and later the upside-down apparition were introduced in play.
Regarding disappearing!Cynthia, it is possible, given that it is hinted that victims can depart form Walter's worlds by "waking up" (as pictured by Cynthia who has awoken from the same dream more than once and Henry who does it at will), that Cynthia just woke up for a little while before immersing herself in Walter's Subway World for a last time before getting killed. Just as Eileen sees Henry phase through walls when he wakes up, it is possible that Henry saw a mannequin instead of Cynthia in the same place she woke up. That would imply that each victim has a special form of waking up from a dream: Henry crawls through holes, Cynthia leaves mannequins behind where she wakes up, and the other victims' methods are left up to interpretation.
I'll leave the writing above mark-up-less to facilitate reading as it's kinda large. In any case, these are my ramblings about the subject, for anybody interested in reading.
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Jan 2, 12 at 1:16pm ^re: Henry = insane copycat killer?
quoteYou mean that scene in Ending? Actually - they not. They only seem to know each other.
quoteOnly first ten victims had stitches - I suppose they were simply killed by real Walter, who later committed suicide and then someone started to copycat him. BTW, I think that this costume suggests Henry's (or rather Joseph's - that hypocrite shared rare porn magazine with Mike...) little fetish - I recall that he didn't actually fought against nurses, he confronted in hospital some kind of long psychopathic women with blades - they don't have characteristic uniform and looks a bit exotic, I would call them undead Amazons, or zombie mutants. So maybe he can't imagine aggressive, vicious nurses.
However, You may be right about Eileen's primal role in that case. She can't be killed through nearly all game, and slowly goes to meet "death" when she is possessed at the end - it seems more like Silent Hill's story than mine conjectures. So it would be about crazy witch who imprisoned her neighbour in his own room and turns into her dark alter ego - a serial killer...
Anyways, I'll write again later.
quoteYup, point for You! I simply missed that possibility.
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May 3, 12 at 9:17am ^re: Henry = insane copycat killer?
OK, I've got some new ideas... Take a big breath and try if You want to:
Walter's nature is being a daemon (real Valtiel himself? Pyramid Head?) and human in one. Daemon wants to summon kind of matrix that he/it came from (without this "mother" he/it propably feels in our world like in hell), when human (represented later by young Walter)is misogynic and rather wants some loneliness in room of birth. Daemon could jump from body to body, so from Jimmy Stone to Walter Sullivan, then to Joseph (after suicide), and in one of endings - even to Henry.
Somehow, maybe forced by daemon, young Walter posseses Eileen (from time to time).
Joseph's fate is to be a Man in Coat. He was possesed only because he lived in 302, and he killed without remembering it victims from 12/21 to 14/21. He was also guided to a cult and some otherworlds to obtain some knowledge and become Giver of Wisdom. He didn't gain a chance to survive because he was supposed to die from despair. However, he propably didn't actually die - it was just kidnapping his soul by Jimmy Stone (who, as archpriest of Valtiel and founder of sect has propably big role in whole thing - and he did something to be present in Walter's room after death). So there is no purpose in searching for Joseph's body - it walks around, with someone else in it, called by itself "Walter" (it's kinda truth,since daemon grew up inside that child through many years.
(It was also him who caused appearance of little Walter's manifestation - a bit kinder version of young psychopath, which he created in his imagination while investigating the Order - this manifestation is not as brutal as Walter propably was in childhood - Joseph had impression of Order being responsible for all evil, how he could expect that the boy became some demonic abomination?)
Does Henry exists? It seems not... He doesn't seem to be crucial in plot, although he has special place in it. It is possbile that he is only Eileen's dream (as opposition of Joseph's personality, while sharing with him same character alignement and situation) and), or part of Joseph's soul which Jimmy didn't corrupted into ghost nor manipulated. So it's not sure - is he only in Eileen's head, or rather (which is against suggestiones in "21 sacraments" ending) he shares body with Joseph and imagines that he is saving Eileen. Several things, like his lack of sociability, and very strange, barely believable connection with town Silent Hill, suggests that Henry is much less real than Joseph or Eileen. It's common vanity, I guess, that even adult girls imagine a guy who observes and saves them when danger is near. But... That doesn't mean he is not part of 21 sacraments.
Walter's ritual doesn't need physical deaths, just look the Joseph's case. Henry started existance when Joseph made small hole in the wall. Eileen noticed that, well, on the first time Henry tried to peep through it, was looking directly on his eyeball! This also happened when she was watching horror movie. Eileen is propably the true protagonist of the game. And Henry is (in fact) planned to be killed together with Eileen, as a major part of her consiousness (despise that in reality Eileen is in hospital, faint and bleeding out anyway?)
If all plot is set in someone's imagination (a bit like in shattered memories) then it would be Eileen's or Stone's (well, Jimmy is main antagonist I guess - Walter is really dead, and daemon is Stone's tool, but if it's really someone as powerfull as Valtiel - well, it's possible that it works the other way).
Well these are not very precious notes, however, I guess they are more accurate than theory of false Walter who commited suicide to make kind of distraction for police - see that funny speculating trash on silent hill wikia
PS As You propably noticed, I usually make some grammar or spelling mistakes, or even give wrong numbers. That's mainly because I'm busy college guy who does not know English as well as people who live in Anglo-Saxon countries. I corect them from time to time, and try to not overcomplicate style of writing, but it's hard. If some of You people read this all - thanx for patience, I hope I meant what I thought clear enough. Still think it's a little too "academic" text to share on any wiki. It's main obstacle for me to discuss role of Conjurer and sense of whole ritual, however it propably depends on which Walter is stronger on the moment.
EDIT: After evening I recalled some of "Born from a Wish" gameplay, and... well, now I think that no of all those theories have actual sense. Silent Hill can create clone of somebody, even with memories of that person. No need for Joseph's body or his knowledge about Walter (although I still think that little Walter is not enough cruel in comparison to authentic religious fanatics raised as orphans, so at least HE had to be imagined by Joseph or someone... but it's my subjective opinion).Well, so it seems we made some monuments of interpretative anarchism
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