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Topic: Landing I NEED HELP!
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Jul 15, 06 at 05:06PM
Landing I NEED HELP!

today I was going through the lessons, but when I decided to try my landing procedures(self given) but I always stall about 1,000 feet away from the runway, but I do everything I'm supposed to, keep the speed down under 100, extend flaps, I cant even start the flare because I dont get over the run way.

Please help, this stalling crap is annoying.



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re: Landing I NEED HELP!

Stalling happens when the angle of attack of an aircraft is too high and the airflow over the wings cannot sustain the lift of the aircraft in the sky, ie. it then falls out of it!

So: First of all, try the FS9 landing lesson which places you perfectly lined up on finals. Now a few tips: In a Cessna 172 the touchdown speed is roughly 70-80kts IAS, but fly the finals about 5-10kts faster to give yourself a bit of a buffer.

Have one stage of flaps down to start and lower the second stage (F7 key by default) about 500 metres from the runway threshold.

Keep the nose of the aircraft pointed at a notional point about 25mtr BEFORE the start of the runway, then as you start to flare you'll float onto the piano keys (start of runway threshold).

Keep the mixture fully rich to maintain engine responsiveness incase you need to go-around.

Keep a bit of power on, you shouldn't be gliding down to the runway as such.

The PAPI lights at the side of the runway will show 2 red, 2 white when your on the perfect 3 degree glideslope, if there are more white than red your too high, and vice versa with more red than white.

To cap it all off then:

Start the landing mission, press F5 to ensure flaps are up and then F7 once to lower one stage of flaps, maintain 90-100kts here. Aim at runway threshold and watch the PAPI lights for your glideslope indicator, although don't worry too much if they aren't perfect as your flying VFR anyway.
About 500 metres away lower the remaining flaps, you'll need more power to keep 90kts now. About 50-100 metres away from runway, throttle to idle (F1) and float the rest of the way, watching that your speed doesn't wash off to early.
Gently pull back and try and land on the rear wheels first, then maintain the front wheel off the ground until speed goes below 50kts. Apply brakes (.) until you stop.
Thats you done! Hope that helps you out mate.



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Dec 17, 06 at 09:13AM
re: Landing I NEED HELP!

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Start the landing mission, press F5 to ensure flaps are up and then F7 once to lower one stage of flaps, maintain 90-100kts here. Aim at runway threshold and watch the PAPI lights for your glide slope indicator, although don't worry too much if they aren't perfect as your flying VFR anyway.
About 500 metres away lower the remaining flaps, you'll need more power to keep 90kts now. About 50-100 metres away from runway, throttle to idle (F1) and float the rest of the way, watching that your speed doesn't wash off to early.
Gently pull back and try and land on the rear wheels first, then maintain the front wheel off the ground until speed goes below 50kts. Apply brakes (.) until you stop.
Thats you done! Hope that helps you out mate.


This is completely wrong!

You need to keep your speed up, over 125 knots and only apply IDLE power at 15 feet where you flare.

The above flap settings are fine, and the PAPI lights are correct.

It is easier to buy a joystick then using (.) full-stop for braking. You can also control the throttle more easily.

You may also wish to use Reverse Thrust (F2) [How could I forget].

Hope this has been a help to you.

This message was edited by 03phigg on Dec 29 2006.



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re: Landing I NEED HELP!

03phigg, I'd just like to say that I absolutely love the way you seem to start so many posts with "This is wrong!" or something similar.

Seriously, though, is the landing process really as complicated as it looks?



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Dec 05, 07 at 05:57PM
re: Landing I NEED HELP!

itll be easier to land fly and takeoff using a xbox 360 controller or a joy stick once i got a joystick, i was going through tutorials and missions like no prob



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re: Landing I NEED HELP!

also this is from what i know of flight simulator x so dont take my word for it



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re: Landing I NEED HELP!

I do everything you have done, drop gear, extend flaps, etc. But don't let the plane angle itself upwards, keep it pushed down until the last second, then slowly ease up your joystick so the wheels touch the ground, activate brakes and you have successfully landed!

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re: Landing I NEED HELP!

ok well i dont do the training so i wouldnt be all that familiar with what aircraft you are flying, but ill assume that it is the skyhawk. now i actually do real flying so ill go through a few things with you. i fly a Cessna 152, which is not all that different from a skyhawk.

ok youve taken off at full power, selected a reference point at 400ft AGL, and made your turn from upwind to crosswind at 500. it is best to climb at your best rate of climb speed, which is around 65kts for your aircraft. maintain this speed until you are at your circuit altitude (YSBK is 1000ft). so once you have turned crosswind, continue on it until you are 45 degrees from the runway threshold, on the side you took off from. once you are at 45 degrees, turn downwind. somewhere on downwind is where you should reach 1000ft. once you have reached 1000ft, leveled off, and speed past the white arc (flap operating range) on the airspeed indicator, reduce power to about 2300-2400 RPM. continue on downwind until you are 45 degrees from the runway threshold on the side you are touching down from. once you reach 45 degrees, reduce power to 1500 RPM, and make your turn to base. maintain your pitch attitude. once your airspeed is in the white arc, extend one level of flap to 10 degrees. your airspeed should be within the range of 65 to 70 kts. adjust power as necessary and if need be, make several minor changes, instead of fewer large changes. when you feel you are ready to turn onto final, do so. you should make the turn to final before reaching 500ft. maintain directional control primarily using rudder (this is where rudder pedals come into play) and use aileron as your secondary directional control. if you think you are too high, lower a second or third stage of flap. if you think you are too low, add more power and increase pitch. all through this, you should maintain 65 kts. keep the runway numbers in sight until you are near the threshold and the begin your flare, and at the same time, slowly reducing power to idle. now the trick here is to actually stall the aircraft down once it is a few feet off the ground. once you have touched down, you can use your brakes to come to a stop/taxi speed, or retract the flaps, add full power and take off again (touch and go) to do some more circuits.

tom, when compared to real flying, landing in flight simulator is childs play.

03phigg, you do realize that there are only 3 aircraft you use in lessons - skyhawk, baron and 737. of those, the 737 is the only one with reverse thrust, and its stalling speed is way more than 125 kts...so i dont know what aircraft you are referring to.
remember, flaps are to increase lift and drag, plus help you see when landing. THIS DOES NOT MEAN YOU EXTEND 40 DEGREES OF FLAPS IMMEDIATELY! extend flaps in stages. have a few stages out while landing, and only use the rest if you are too high, or you are doing a short field landing.


now let me finish off by saying ALJ123456, stop replying to old threads.



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