multiplayer Skill Based Matchmaking - Page 2

quote IUSEthePM-9

I really haven't noticed anything out of the ordinary from memory. Most of the people I play against are good, but I assumed that "skill based match making" actually just meant "roughly your prestige match making," so I haven't really judged it out of the ordinary to see players at relatively high levels. I definitely don't think it's 100% consistent though, me and my friends actually got a dream game against three level 18's (two were split screeners), two level 15 split screeners, and one level 24. Went 62-2 on them with the TAR. Not really Youtube worthy though, they couldn't hold their guns up.

Meh, on top of that, after watching your video about it, you're basically just contradicting yourself in your points. "If you want to become better, you have to beat the best players in the world." But then you go on to say that it's ruining the game for you? "Going 30-0 is fun, but you don't learn anything from that, or take anything away from that." Yeah, skill based matchmaking means you won't ever get a 30-0, you'll be working hard in Free For All constantly...

I just don't see what your main argument is. Also you said your MW3 KD was 2.5 (which I'm not skeptical about, using the MP7 does that) but you said you'd end this game with a 1 KD, which is a bit drastic dude. My KD in this game is slightly below my MW3 KD, and improving, it really is not a problem. Besides, if your KD is close to 1, you'll probably just end up in the bracket with the shit players, especially if skill based matchmaking is a thing and it's not just prestige like it was in the past.

Meh, maybe I'm being harsh cause I *bleep*ing hated the music on your video, and the fact you made money off putting it in, and I'm just being too harsh, but at least admit you just want to pub stomp, that's the only reason you want it changed.

In MW3, my most used guns were the PM9, and the AA12. if you ask any of my friends, you would know that i hardly ever used good guns in that game because they were just boring, i had gold on everything in the game except for a few of the LMG's the MP7, and the RSASS. I played the OBJ more than anyone i knew, and i never really went for amazing kill games, i favored winning over a good KD even though i could do better than most with some of the worst guns in the game. if i only used ACR MP7 the whole time, then i wouldave been a 3KD player easily.

Some of you like ajax and hu1ch13 seem to have the impression of me that i only care about kills and stats, and i constantly use the best guns in the game, but thats not the case at. I didn't base a youtube channel off of gameplay for the reason that i didn't want to hold myself to a high standard that i knew i would be frustrated keeping, but i do like to get the best gameplay i can just to put in the background of a video because some people do care about it. i turn off the screen when i watch other peoples videos, and if i could be the "black screen commentator" i would be. what makes a entertaining youtube video to me isn't gameplay, its the content that goes along with it.

i never said i would end BO2 with a 1KD, the whole reason im getting matched up with amazing players is because my SPM is so high and my other stats aren't too shabby either, but if everyone gets matched up with people that are exactly their skill level, then everyones stats would be exactly average, even though some of those players are much better than the rest.

i would like my stats to be lower to be completely honest, if i wanted to exploit the system and get scrub lobbies i could, but why should i only be able to play the people that are just as good as me? doesn't that defeat the whole purpose of being "good" at the game. If bad players get the same results as good players stats wise, by the games logic, the guys who used to have .5KD's in other games are just as good as the guys who used to have 2.5KDs in past cods.

When i first started playing i had a .62 KD, and the only reason that got any better is because i was constantly getting my ass kicked and i had to try harder to become a better player, they never babied bad players in past CoD's so why should they start now? i should get the advantage over the average player because im better than them, but making everyone average makes the game much less enjoyable for good players.i dont have any problem with competitive games either, i like stomping a full party, but i dont want to do that every game i play. if i want to screw around and still be able to get the win, then i should be able to do that like in the other games.

Be honest, you would much rather play a bad team than OpTic scumpii, nadeshot, and the other pros, because they would destroy you and it wouldnt be very much fun. its a learning experience for sure, but when you have people of equal skill compete, what it really comes down to is connection because everyone is theoretically the same.

quote neji 9889

In MW3, my most used guns were the PM9, and the AA12. if you ask any of my friends, you would know that i hardly ever used good guns in that game because they were just boring, i had gold on everything in the game except for a few of the LMG's the MP7, and the RSASS. I played the OBJ more than anyone i knew, and i never really went for amazing kill games, i favored winning over a good KD even though i could do better than most with some of the worst guns in the game. if i only used ACR MP7 the whole time, then i wouldave been a 3KD player easily.

Some of you like ajax and hu1ch13 seem to have the impression of me that i only care about kills and stats, and i constantly use the best guns in the game, but thats not the case at. I didn't base a youtube channel off of gameplay for the reason that i didn't want to hold myself to a high standard that i knew i would be frustrated keeping, but i do like to get the best gameplay i can just to put in the background of a video because some people do care about it. i turn off the screen when i watch other peoples videos, and if i could be the "black screen commentator" i would be. what makes a entertaining youtube video to me isn't gameplay, its the content that goes along with it.

i never said i would end BO2 with a 1KD, the whole reason im getting matched up with amazing players is because my SPM is so high and my other stats aren't too shabby either, but if everyone gets matched up with people that are exactly their skill level, then everyones stats would be exactly average, even though some of those players are much better than the rest.

i would like my stats to be lower to be completely honest, if i wanted to exploit the system and get scrub lobbies i could, but why should i only be able to play the people that are just as good as me? doesn't that defeat the whole purpose of being "good" at the game. If bad players get the same results as good players stats wise, by the games logic, the guys who used to have .5KD's in other games are just as good as the guys who used to have 2.5KDs in past cods.

When i first started playing i had a .62 KD, and the only reason that got any better is because i was constantly getting my ass kicked and i had to try harder to become a better player, they never babied bad players in past CoD's so why should they start now? i should get the advantage over the average player because im better than them, but making everyone average makes the game much less enjoyable for good players.i dont have any problem with competitive games either, i like stomping a full party, but i dont want to do that every game i play. if i want to screw around and still be able to get the win, then i should be able to do that like in the other games.

Be honest, you would much rather play a bad team than OpTic scumpii, nadeshot, and the other pros, because they would destroy you and it wouldnt be very much fun. its a learning experience for sure, but when you have people of equal skill compete, what it really comes down to is connection because everyone is theoretically the same.

I seem to remember a lot of your videos being MP7 videos (and I do remember PM-9 videos as well actually), so if that's wrong I apologize, but it definitely gave me the impression that you only cared about KD (some of them were Free For Alls as well, where there is no objective), so basically, say what you want about the objective and you, I don't mind, but I've seen little proof. Not really relevant. but also in that video, you're using a silenced MSMC..

"I'm probably going to end this game with somewhere around a 1 KD," so I don't know what you're saying, but it's a pretty big stretch to say that EVERYONE will have an exactly an average KD. If your KD and stats drop as a result of playing against players better than you (is this your complaint?) then you'll just end up playing against players than that you can beat, and it'll go up again. I think skill based matchmaking is still alright, because it's making everyone improve (contrary to what you say, noobs playing noobs means that one noob will get better, and then play against better players, which he improves against, despite being beaten at first, similar to your analogy about yourself getting trashed at first and wanting to get better), it's not like everyone has to play good players to get better, realistically speaking if you're playing someone your skill level, you'll improve somewhat, no matter whether you're both bad or both good.

The fact is the matchmaking doesn't forgo connections at all from what I've seen, otherwise I would be playing against some guys (probably Americans) who have a 0.01 SPM difference to me, but that's not the case. I think you've just exaggerated most of your points. If I were to constantly play people with a SPM similar to mine, you can't assume that my KD would just drop back to 1. Hell, yesterday I had the worst connections ever as a result of my father downloading huge files off the internet, and I still maintained a 1.7 KD against players who are, according to you, the same as my skill level. I think skill based matchmaking may be there, but you really are exaggerating everything you say, it's not all that prevalent. Maybe setting your search preferences to "Best" may help though, that's what mine's set on, and it pretty much gives me the best connections.

Again, my rebuttal to your fourth paragraph is that you're completely missing the adjustment of a player's SPM, and thus, their position in the matchmaking will change. This game will eventually sort everyone into a bracket that they can either play well and win most games, or play poorly and be somewhat punished, there will not be some "rising up to be king noob," who then continues to only play noobs. No, he'll progress in the system and get better, it's about encouraging you to be your best, and if you don't want to do that in one game, just accept you might not win. That's how it should be anyway, if you muck around, you're not exactly doing your best for the win.

Yeah for sure I'd rather play a bad team than the OpTics, I even said how fun one particular lobby was where none of them were over level 30. But did I learn anything from that game? Hell no. I learnt something from the people around my prestige, and I can see a lot of improvement in my gameplay as it is. I'm essentially arguing the opposite to what I think your main argument is: that playing against good players doesn't improve you, but that noobs do? Well I'd much prefer to play the good players, with, definitely, the occasional abysmal set of players. Why? So I can cushion my stats agains the bad players, and then still learn from those better than me

Oh and about the fact that the skill based matchmaking can be exploited: I guess you're technically right that it can be, but I guess if you're in any way good at this game, you take at least a little pride in your stats, so I don't really know who would be doing that dumb "reverse boosting" you explained, but I want you to tell me who is, and keep me updated, using stats on how that goes

It has happened once before (to great critical aclaim, and much merriment - can't remember who was the victim though) and now returns, it is the mythbusting courtesy of....me. I use my great stalking skills (acquired from much facebook stalking the sexy senoritas ) to bust people who lie on internet forums

quote neji 9889

In MW3, my most used guns were the PM9, and the AA12.

Most used weapons:
ACR - 5768 kills
PP90 - 4721
MP7 - 4664
Scar - 4159
P90 - 3489
Striker - 2602
Mk14 - 2254

and finally
PM9 -2220
and further down
AA12 - 1831

Busted

quote neji 9889

. if i only used ACR MP7 the whole time, then i wouldave been a 3KD player easily

Well as shown above, you did use these guns mostly (although admittedly not the whole time) but just to further prove the point
kd with:
ACR - 1.71
MP7 - 1.59

so not quite the 3kd you claim....

busted

perhaps IUSEthePM-9 would find this interesting
probably don't lie on an internet forum to try and make yourself look good

neji 9889, I'm not disputing your complaint, I agree with it, however, I'm hating on your obvious reasoning behind it. You're bitching because you can't get 'gameplay'. Whether you have to try-hard or not, you would still do well. The fact of the matter is you're like most of us, feeding off the fact CoD lets you be king of the day and you cherry pick those games when it happens for your boring Youtube channel. Now that you have to be forced to play against people that are slightly more better than what you're used to, you're getting mad that you ain't all what your 40-2 or whatever gameplay cracked up to be and can't get the clips you want.

quote IUSEthePM-9

quote neji 9889

In MW3, my most used guns were the PM9, and the AA12. if you ask any of my friends, you would know that i hardly ever used good guns in that game because they were just boring, i had gold on everything in the game except for a few of the LMG's the MP7, and the RSASS. I played the OBJ more than anyone i knew, and i never really went for amazing kill games, i favored winning over a good KD even though i could do better than most with some of the worst guns in the game. if i only used ACR MP7 the whole time, then i wouldave been a 3KD player easily.

Some of you like ajax and hu1ch13 seem to have the impression of me that i only care about kills and stats, and i constantly use the best guns in the game, but thats not the case at. I didn't base a youtube channel off of gameplay for the reason that i didn't want to hold myself to a high standard that i knew i would be frustrated keeping, but i do like to get the best gameplay i can just to put in the background of a video because some people do care about it. i turn off the screen when i watch other peoples videos, and if i could be the "black screen commentator" i would be. what makes a entertaining youtube video to me isn't gameplay, its the content that goes along with it.

i never said i would end BO2 with a 1KD, the whole reason im getting matched up with amazing players is because my SPM is so high and my other stats aren't too shabby either, but if everyone gets matched up with people that are exactly their skill level, then everyones stats would be exactly average, even though some of those players are much better than the rest.

i would like my stats to be lower to be completely honest, if i wanted to exploit the system and get scrub lobbies i could, but why should i only be able to play the people that are just as good as me? doesn't that defeat the whole purpose of being "good" at the game. If bad players get the same results as good players stats wise, by the games logic, the guys who used to have .5KD's in other games are just as good as the guys who used to have 2.5KDs in past cods.

When i first started playing i had a .62 KD, and the only reason that got any better is because i was constantly getting my ass kicked and i had to try harder to become a better player, they never babied bad players in past CoD's so why should they start now? i should get the advantage over the average player because im better than them, but making everyone average makes the game much less enjoyable for good players.i dont have any problem with competitive games either, i like stomping a full party, but i dont want to do that every game i play. if i want to screw around and still be able to get the win, then i should be able to do that like in the other games.

Be honest, you would much rather play a bad team than OpTic scumpii, nadeshot, and the other pros, because they would destroy you and it wouldnt be very much fun. its a learning experience for sure, but when you have people of equal skill compete, what it really comes down to is connection because everyone is theoretically the same.

I seem to remember a lot of your videos being MP7 videos (and I do remember PM-9 videos as well actually), so if that's wrong I apologize, but it definitely gave me the impression that you only cared about KD (some of them were Free For Alls as well, where there is no objective), so basically, say what you want about the objective and you, I don't mind, but I've seen little proof. Not really relevant. but also in that video, you're using a silenced MSMC..

"I'm probably going to end this game with somewhere around a 1 KD," so I don't know what you're saying, but it's a pretty big stretch to say that EVERYONE will have an exactly an average KD. If your KD and stats drop as a result of playing against players better than you (is this your complaint?) then you'll just end up playing against players than that you can beat, and it'll go up again. I think skill based matchmaking is still alright, because it's making everyone improve (contrary to what you say, noobs playing noobs means that one noob will get better, and then play against better players, which he improves against, despite being beaten at first, similar to your analogy about yourself getting trashed at first and wanting to get better), it's not like everyone has to play good players to get better, realistically speaking if you're playing someone your skill level, you'll improve somewhat, no matter whether you're both bad or both good.

The fact is the matchmaking doesn't forgo connections at all from what I've seen, otherwise I would be playing against some guys (probably Americans) who have a 0.01 SPM difference to me, but that's not the case. I think you've just exaggerated most of your points. If I were to constantly play people with a SPM similar to mine, you can't assume that my KD would just drop back to 1. Hell, yesterday I had the worst connections ever as a result of my father downloading huge files off the internet, and I still maintained a 1.7 KD against players who are, according to you, the same as my skill level. I think skill based matchmaking may be there, but you really are exaggerating everything you say, it's not all that prevalent. Maybe setting your search preferences to "Best" may help though, that's what mine's set on, and it pretty much gives me the best connections.

Again, my rebuttal to your fourth paragraph is that you're completely missing the adjustment of a player's SPM, and thus, their position in the matchmaking will change. This game will eventually sort everyone into a bracket that they can either play well and win most games, or play poorly and be somewhat punished, there will not be some "rising up to be king noob," who then continues to only play noobs. No, he'll progress in the system and get better, it's about encouraging you to be your best, and if you don't want to do that in one game, just accept you might not win. That's how it should be anyway, if you muck around, you're not exactly doing your best for the win.

Yeah for sure I'd rather play a bad team than the OpTics, I even said how fun one particular lobby was where none of them were over level 30. But did I learn anything from that game? Hell no. I learnt something from the people around my prestige, and I can see a lot of improvement in my gameplay as it is. I'm essentially arguing the opposite to what I think your main argument is: that playing against good players doesn't improve you, but that noobs do? Well I'd much prefer to play the good players, with, definitely, the occasional abysmal set of players. Why? So I can cushion my stats agains the bad players, and then still learn from those better than me

Oh and about the fact that the skill based matchmaking can be exploited: I guess you're technically right that it can be, but I guess if you're in any way good at this game, you take at least a little pride in your stats, so I don't really know who would be doing that dumb "reverse boosting" you explained, but I want you to tell me who is, and keep me updated, using stats on how that goes

i decided to go ruin my stats just to show that i "A" dont care about them, and "B" prove that skill based matchmaking is exploitable.

Found 3 lobbies in a row with no positive players, first KD's ive seen under a 1.5 since i got the game

quote neji 9889

i decided to go ruin my stats just to show that i "A" dont care about them

If you don't care about your stats then why do it in the first place to get yourself in easy lobbies so you can get your oh so good looking high K/D's slapped on the scoreboard?

Edit: IusethePM-9, redmanc90, have you noticed how on his channel bio he says he uses shit guns religiously, yet his Elite combat record and the very video he's complaining about the matchmaking on speaks differently? Funny shizzle.

It's not the fact he has the MP7 or the ACR in his top five, I don't care about that, it's the fact he's blatantly lying about the guns he uses just to make him look like a better player and try get more subscribers etc on Youtube, probably because people like Xcal got popular/well known for having good stats with shite guns in BO etc.

inb4 he stalks my Elite. Mind you I'm surprised the MP7 is fourth, didn't start using that until 5th prestige and got bored with it by 8th. Waiting for the hate for having a fair few kills with the Troll-95.

Oh wow Ajax, I was about to crop and post the same image you posted, with his weapon usage stats. I laughed my *bleep*ing ass off when I saw them.

neji 9889, you do realise that we CAN actually check your stats through elite, right? Don't lie and bullshit us by saying the PM-9 and AA-12 were your most used guns, because it has already been proven they aren't. You are a sad, sad little man.