K/D - Page 6

quote Solx

I seam to remember "Arcade" games having a highscore at the gameover screen showing your progress and achievement.

When did playing a game become; playing for a number and not for the fun of it....... unless you consider having a conniption over the loss of a 0.01 off of your stats being fun.

Mneh i didnt say that second part, you just plucked that from your own mind. For example i dont even know what my K/D is in BF3 as i otn care, its objective based. I also said the game was heading further in an acade style direction. I didnt claim it an arcade game. Good response. Not only that but if you'll see Rudeboys response, he seems to think it IS an arcade game. Muchos confusion.

Rude_Boy_Loves_SKA

Are you slagging off the intellegence of Down syndromed people? Tut tut. Just kidding. Also, Call Of Duty has never been the most arcade based shooter out. Unreal has its ass kicked there along with quite a few X-Box arcade titles and such. COD sits somewhere in the middle. And the "normal" people comment? I dont think there is much of a constructive conversation there.

And on your comment about taking things seriously, i think by the repsonses here we all take our video games at least a little bit seriously. I'll admit it. I think grown men debating the topic of one very specific number in a game over the course of a few days maybe highlights that. Its nothing to be ashamed of.

HU1CH13

Mneh, Nah. K/D is what counts in kill based modes. Sorry to disagree.




And im still waiting for this evidence that proves removing K/D does anything to stop wanky gameplay. I mean other issues aside thats what this conversation is really about. Or is supposed to be. I already provided examples of multiple older titles which have just as much camping as COD with no K/D stats and everyone glossed over it as if i hadnt said it. Anyone care to explain?

I mean taking who likes K/D and who doesnt aside. How is you plan actually going to physically change anything?

I still say remove K/D from objective and leave it in Kill based modes. We can all comprimise and everyone is happy. I fail to understand why this is so difficult. I mean you objective friendly guys are even potentially shooting yourself in the dicks here. If you allow K/D in kill based modes but dont count kills in objective towards that stat then you are actively hearding the kill whores back to TDM and FFA and away from your preffered games modes. <-- That will ACTIVELY tease killwhores away from objective modes. I'd rather not just sit and pray that a heavy handed knee jerk "fix" solves the whole issue. Everyone just seems to want to rant about how much they dislike K/D, This conversation is not actually about solving a problem anymore is it?

The thing is im kinda with you three guys in a way. I would love to see the real hardcore badass killwhores back in TDM getting their arses kicked and i'd love for you guys to get your tidy and fair objective modes. My plan would help to do that. I mean i guess i support the idea of making K/D a hidden stat that only you or friends can see, but that wont actively discourage killwhoring.

And also, what happens if/when removing it outright doesnt change anything? Where do you lot go next?

quote HU1CH13

quote KR_1250

HU1CH13

Mneh, Nah. K/D is what counts in kill based modes. Sorry to disagree.

Right, I understand that someone with something daft like a 0.05 K/D who plays like that every game is bad news if he's on your team. He's not going to do you any favours at all.

But surely someone with a 1.75 K/D who sure, might give the enemy a few more kills in the process, but can still win the game for the team and get like 30 or so kills a game as well as being willing to change class to shoot down any killstreak he may of gave the enemy through a care package etc is a much better asset in TDM than someone with a 3-4K/D who only manages to score 8-2 every game?

Hey i agree that you can find many situations in which a person with a lower K/D of say 1.5 can provide more help than someone with a high K/D of maybe 2.5.
Hell, even a douche with a 0.2 K/D can bring in a harrier which shoots down a chopper gunner and lets you win a game of MW2. They can also have that one off game where they do well and go MVP and can even take out the other teams main player by camping, or they can go mega negative but get that beastly throwing knife kill which wins the game. Sure, its all possible. But a few points:

1: If everyone on a team goes positive, even by 1 kill, then that team simply has to win numerically. So in that very real sence K/D matters.

2: Statistically speaking people with a higher K/D are more likely to win or help win kill based modes more of the time. Just statistically ofcourse. This in no way says what will happen in an individual game, just in games spaced naturally throughout a normal cross section of players. Again, its just a numerical fact.

3: Using your example of a dude who gets 8-2 every game, if you had a whole team of such guys who could get that score consistently then you'd win every game by a damn mile, but in a way i would rather the otehr player you mentioned aswell. Games would be more fun and Mr 8-2 sounds a bit campy and boring.

In any case I do not and never have thought that K/D is the most important, or only stat which matters. And i'd never slag someone off for a poor K/D (unless they started it LOL). And hey, if someone just doesnt care I have no beef with that either. My best mate who i play with daily couldnt give a rats arse what his K/D is, its pretty good anyway at like 1.4, and will gladly die 3 and 4 times in a row just to throwing knife some cheeky git. Thats his preferred way of playing and i'd never stop that.

IMO, removing K/D from objective but leaving it in Kill based modes where it belongs solves this whole issue. It would clean up objective modes, force the real K/D fanatics out altogether and make kill based modes more competative. I just see it as a complete win/win for everyone.

quote HU1CH13

KR_1250, we can leave it there. I mean, I still think it K/D should be removed completely, but I can agree to disagree with you on this one. You did leave a valid point that as long as everyone goes positive, then mathmatically, they will win, so I'll admit, going positive is important, not how big your K/D is, hence why I've never been bothered about my K/D, just as long as I go positive. But with that post you proved your sense, although *bleep* a game where everyone plays like a bitch for 8-2, that means you win by time limit and not on score limit and I hate slow paced TDM games that go to the time limit.

Yeah, the ability to consistently go positive IS much more important than your actual K/D figure, and i'd much rather go like 25-10 than 8-1 every game. Like you say TDM games which go down to the time limit somehow feel like a loss even when you win LOL.

Another point in favour of K/D would be performance review. For example i thought my favourite weapon in B.O was the Spectre submachine gun. I was sure i did best with it and would have bet my house on it. However when i checked my stats i realised i actually had a much higher K/D with the SPAS-12 and especially FN-FAL. Seeing these stats really enhanced my game. Same with overall K/D in previous games. I'd switch my classes and playstyles around to see what gave the best results whilst still staying fair and fun.

However im ranting again. I'd be happy to agree to disagree aswell.

quote ump45master

Maybe have a "Pro" (for lack of a better word) playlist that tracks K/D for those that would like to keep track? Just to separate the fun players from the more "hardcore" players a little.

Of course, both lists would have the same modes, but would track different stats.

Not an awesome idea, but hey.

I am still waiting for anyone to shoot holes in, or even tackle my idea bout removing all taces of K/D from objective but not from kill based modes.

Any takers? Anyone at all?

quote KR_1250

Yeah, the ability to consistently go positive IS much more important than your actual K/D figure, and i'd much rather go like 25-10 than 8-1 every game. Like you say TDM games which go down to the time limit somehow feel like a loss even when you win LOL.

Another point in favour of K/D would be performance review. For example i thought my favourite weapon in B.O was the Spectre submachine gun. I was sure i did best with it and would have bet my house on it. However when i checked my stats i realised i actually had a much higher K/D with the SPAS-12 and especially FN-FAL. Seeing these stats really enhanced my game. Same with overall K/D in previous games. I'd switch my classes and playstyles around to see what gave the best results whilst still staying fair and fun.

However im ranting again. I'd be happy to agree to disagree aswell.

Probably because you bring out the shit guns when you're against shitty players. Or more so, when you get put with try-harding arse holes with MP7's, FAMAS', ACR's, AKS-74u's etc and they actually are decent players, you're pretty much forced to bring out those type of weapons yourself, and since they are decent players it's still gunna be a hard game hence why your KD's won't be that good with those weapons compared to cockle stopping people on a shit connection/noobs with the AK in MW3, well that's how I see it.

But that's what I mean, keep all those personal stats for each weapon sort of thing just for your eyes only, I like those stats to. At one point, even though it's one of the AR's with the worst recoil, the AK-47 in MW3 was for a while my most accurate fully auto weapon with something like 21%, yet the no recoil laserbeams like the G36c, ACR and MP7 were only at 19%.

Shitty clip art graphics from MS Word in a meme? KR_1250, you're a good lad. I don't know, maybe if I find the right insiperation I might go a hunt to reclaim my title back.

Wait, I've got one. England is gunna win the Euro's this year, trolololololol.

quote KR_1250

quote Solx

quote KR_1250

quote ump45master

Maybe have a "Pro" (for lack of a better word) playlist that tracks K/D for those that would like to keep track? Just to separate the fun players from the more "hardcore" players a little.

Of course, both lists would have the same modes, but would track different stats.

Not an awesome idea, but hey.

I am still waiting for anyone to shoot holes in, or even tackle my idea bout removing all taces of K/D from objective but not from kill based modes.

Any takers? Anyone at all?

FOR *bleep*S SAKE! If you need that shitty stat then have it.

BUT Only if it stays in TDM or DM like games (for the people that mentally cant handle the concept of an objective other than mindless murder) AND the stat can ONLY be seen by you so the infinity retards can shut the *bleep* up about how leet they are for having a *bleep*ing moronic stat that means diddly shit. The same stupid stat that will be RE-*bleep*ING-SET in the next damn game.

/rage rant

9-9-9? Yeah hello this is an emergency, we need a WAHmbulance and the 'crier brigade' here as soon as possible, i think this one is gonna blow!



Us big boys were having a discussion if you dont mind Solx. Oh and HU1CH13 your crown as king of exajuration has been well and trully stolen. Your gonna need to pull out something big to get it back. Im rootin' for ya.

..... Behold the vastly superior CoD community in a nutshell..... So, your counter was to post a pic and claim my infancy? Ya know I think fondling yourself with your K/Dildo has made you a rather pathetic troll.