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DjedwardSmith Victoria Per Deditionem Purely Neo total posts: 26554 since: Feb 2003	Mar 28, 12 at 5:38pm ^ re: Troll Jailed for 56 Days Over Racially Motivated Twitter Comments Regarding Fabrice Muamba
	Log in to remove this sponsored message quote Jeremy That's about it. A fully grown adult should be a bit more reasonable. Sure, all of those hormones he takes to play soccer competitively probably make him testosterone deficient, but still. Contact a site official before you freak out and take the guy to jail. The Judge is even more of an uneducated geezer for not knowing how sites like Twitter work. I honestly cannot even begin to explain just how utterly ridiculous that post is. Seriously, it's beyond farcical. Speaking of uneducated geezers, why don't you actually learn what you're talking about before you pop in and try and comment on it. Would do you a world of good. bleeping hell from reading and rereading your post it seems as if you believe Muamba (you know, the guy who was essentially dead on the pitch whilst this guy was laughing about 'wogs dying') complained about the tweet? Then you just throw out a shockingly rash assumption that he must be on hormones because he's a footballer. I'm actually baffled. I truly am. This place was meant to be better than Loungin'. Then I come in here and read that. ------------------- quote Arsene Wenger There's not as much talent as money today in football.
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DjedwardSmith Victoria Per Deditionem Purely Neo total posts: 26554 since: Feb 2003	Mar 28, 12 at 5:59pm ^ re: Troll Jailed for 56 Days Over Racially Motivated Twitter Comments Regarding Fabrice Muamba
	quote Jeremy Oh please, stop complaining, you've attempted to troll me in loungin several times, I think I can make a post that isn't even illogical, if you think about it. Erm, what? I don't recall ever talking to you. quote Sure, I didn't know he didn't complain about the post. I have -1 points. It's not just that you didn't know, it's that you're so utterly ignorant to the entire situation that the rest of your opinion is essentially baseless. quote It doesn't stop the rest of the post. The site should have just removed it if the court systems had such a problem with it, and the judge definitely overcharged the guy anyways. Yes, it does, when the foundations for your post are factually incorrect. quote The testosterone deficient thing was comedic relief for my post, but whatever. Hilarious. quote Most professional sports pretty much require steroids to compete in. Proof, evidence, facts, yadda yadda flogging a dead horse because I can nigh on guarantee you'll provide none. Just flouting an ignorant belief and hoping it gets passed off as believable. Let's look at your post as a whole though shall we, and compare it to the facts. Facts. Fabrice Muamba suffered what was believed to be a cardiac arrest, during a game, in the middle of the pitch. At this time, Liam Stacey published several tweets essentially mocking that Muamba was thought dead, along with several racial slurs. Several people saw these tweets, and began replying to Liam Stacey, so much so that his name began to trend within the UK. Because of this, the situation exploded and his public page, free for all to see, then became a wall of racist abuse that he was using to reply to those you questioned his tweets about Fabrice Muamba. Several people, including minor celebrities, reported him as they took offence to the comments. He was arrested the following day, this after publishin a series of tweets first claiming he was hacked, and then deleting his account. He was well aware that he was in trouble after texting his friend claiming that the situation had blown up and he'd replied to some people saying some things he shouldn't have. All the while Fabrice Muamba has been in intensive care, essentially proving that miracles can happen. Now, lets look at what you seemed to believe happened. Jeremy Facts This guy said something nasty about a footballer. This footballer, because he must take drugs which will lower his testosterone, got offensive and cried about it to the police. The guy got sent to jail when his tweets could have just been removed. The judge clearly doesn't understand how Twitter works Maybe when you look at those two segments together you'll realise just why I'm so baffled at how wrong you are/were. ------------------- quote Arsene Wenger There's not as much talent as money today in football.
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DjedwardSmith Victoria Per Deditionem Purely Neo total posts: 26554 since: Feb 2003	Mar 29, 12 at 3:52pm ^ re: Troll Jailed for 56 Days Over Racially Motivated Twitter Comments Regarding Fabrice Muamba
	quote Jeremy I only went on information in the OP. I personally couldn't care less about soccer, so I really just didn't know. Following this? Yet you didn't think to click on any of the links provided in the first post, but thought it right to try and comment regardless. quote Factually incorrect? You mean to tell me the government should be able to come into your house and arrest you for writing something they don't agree with? I might not have gotten my facts straight, but I think the one big statement I was trying to make rings pretty true. The basis of your post was that he was arrested because the player complained. That was not the case at all, hence, factually incorrect. And they didn't arrest him because he wrote something they didn't agree with, they arrested him because he wrote something that broke the law. quote It's not very tidy, but here is a wiki page that explains a good bit. Not that I really needed to get one anyways, as I wasn't trying to go anywhere with that statement. Where in there (and unlike you, I've read it) does it suggest, as you've claimed, that most professional sports pretty much require steroids to compete in? quote I'll respond to each paragraph with a number, it corresponds with your paragraphs: 1. This proves what? Where and when he had the attack does nothing to help your argument. 2. They could have been removed or ignored. 3. Delete the post. Besides, just because it's popular doesn't mean the government should arrest him. 4. Oh yes, the minor celebrities wanted him arrested. They totally are cause for a breach of justice. 5. I don't think he was thinking he'd get arrested for something he wrote online. He's a troll, they rarely think of these things. Why? Because it's LEGAL TO DO. 6. So the chance that he survived proves miracles can happen? That's great. Significance? I was stating the facts of what actually happened. But whatever. 1. It has nothin to do with helping my argument, it's stating what happened since you were clearly ignorant to it. 2. Yes, they could have been. But they weren't, hence why it became incitement. 3. He tried to, to hide it. Wouldn't change the fact he'd still broken the law. 4. What breach of justice is this? 5. Exactly. People should be thinking about what they write, because you can't hide behind a computer screen and post comments which would get you arrested in the street. 6. Again, I was pointing out the facts to which you were (and to be honest probably still are) ignorant to. ------------------- quote Arsene Wenger There's not as much talent as money today in football.
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DjedwardSmith Victoria Per Deditionem Purely Neo total posts: 26554 since: Feb 2003	Mar 29, 12 at 4:46pm ^ re: Troll Jailed for 56 Days Over Racially Motivated Twitter Comments Regarding Fabrice Muamba
	quote Jeremy How did it break the law? There is a thing called freedom of speech, or does that not exist over in England? Because, on a public forum, he made several racist remarks to several people, as well as making physical threats whilst doing so. Not just for you, but the several people in here who keep insisting he did nothing wrong. Take a read, but for the lazier of you, I'll summarise where he broke the law below. Specifically relevant to the United Kingdom: This offence refers to: deliberately provoking hatred of a racial group distributing racist material to the public making inflammatory public speeches He provoked hatred by cotinually using racist language in reference to a player during a situation he knew would provoke a response. He distributed his racist views on a public forum. quote There was a graph that pointed it out. It wasn't cited, so I can understand that. So, I'll give you one of the cited websites: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7205/full/454667a.html Have you even read that article yourself? quote They don't release proper information to the public. The 10% of NFL players that were known to take them are probably much greater in number. Right, there's two things wrong here. Firstly, 10% is HUGELY different to most, which would imply at least more than 60%. Secondly, you do realise that there are more sports than simply American Football? quote 1. It doesn't matter if I knew it or not, it doesn't mean anything. Well, it does, given it's the details of the situation you're commenting on. quote 2. They should have been removed. Incitement is all because the other users got trolled and raged. Then feel free to take that issue up with Twitter. It doesn't negate what he did, however. quote 3. How did he break the law? He just posted some racist crap on twitter. That goes on THOUSAND OF TIMES A DAY. Do you see anybody else getting locked up for it? See above. I could detail the specifics but I fancy it would be wasted on you. quote 4. He got arrested. Because of something he wrote. That brought no harm to ANYBODY. Somebody doesn't understand the law in this country. Again, if I said what he'd written out in the street, I'd be arrested. quote 5. The difference between being a racist to somebody on the street is that that would cause somebody to actually want to fight you. On a computer, they don't know where you are, and nobody will even think of it after two minutes of hearing you say it. There seems to be a flaw in your logic here. Yet if it were in the street, it'd be difficult to obtain evidence; online there's a record of it being said. Oh, and people tracked down his address, facebook page, rugby club and university. I think it's fair to say it was incitement given people were willing to go to such lengths to find out information about him. quote 6. It doesn't matter though. I don't know why you think it does. And, again (), I was pointing out the facts of the situation that you had no knowledge of, yet somehow expected people to give credibility to your non-sensical viewpoints on the subject. quote XxSkelterXx This is shocking..I say it again, I am glad I live in the USA. So am I. ------------------- quote Arsene Wenger There's not as much talent as money today in football.
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DjedwardSmith Victoria Per Deditionem Purely Neo total posts: 26554 since: Feb 2003	Mar 29, 12 at 5:27pm ^ re: Troll Jailed for 56 Days Over Racially Motivated Twitter Comments Regarding Fabrice Muamba
	Right, we'll do this in two stages. Stage one will primarily be based around the comedy gold you signed your post off with. quote And I'm ashamed that you can't see logic. If you don't start thinking about what you reply, I won't really enjoy this debate enough to continue. Did you really just say that? Really? Anyway onto stage two. quote Jeremy He's a troll. The people who responded are the ones who made it a thing. I don't see how it was any different than ANY other troll online. Because he continued to do it, whilst knowing that it had gathered attention. Thus, he was well aware of the stage with which he was 'preaching' to. That is how it is different, his audience was much bigger, as well as covered with obscene racial slurs. And I'm ashamed that you can't see logic. quote Why aren't the other trolls being arrested? I suppose England has no freedom of speech because of this law? Again, the posts could have been deleted. If you'd read the link I provided (a common theme here), you'd see that there are laws which ensure that a 'freedom of speech' is not used to hide behind breaking the law. Which, in the UK, inciting racial hatred through speech does. The other trolls aren't being arrested because they weren't given the audience, during the situation, with torrents of racial abuse. What you will find, however, is that several other 'trolls' have been arrested for comments made on twitter. To suggest he's the only person who's been punished is naive, but then, given that anything otherwise would require a bit of research on your part, hardly surprising. And I'm ashamed you can't see logic. quote You've done NOTHING to convince anybody otherwise. That's funny, because I've not seen a single person whose opinion I value agreeing with you. quote I have, but I assume you're just saying that. Well if you have, kindly point out to me where it supports your claim that most professional sports pretty much require steroids to compete in? quote 10% is what we know about through a convoluted system that withholds information. It's VERY easy to see how it's probably more than 50%. Yet the facts suggest nothing of the sort. How you can make the jump from 10% to more than 50% pretty much sums up why nobody in here is taking you seriously. quote And yes, there are more sports than American Football, but my knowledge of sports and the use of steroids comes mainly from the NFL and the Olympics. If England isn't as competitive, then I'm sorry. Yes, England isn't competitive. When put up against a sport which calls the winners of the Superbowl the World Champions, with only teams from the same country taking part. Read up about WADA if you want to talk about the olympics, and see just how likely it is that people are cheating with drugs under the radar. And I'm ashamed at how you can't see logic. quote But it doesn't mean anything. You're going nowhere with this. Right, I've repeated this several times, and others have even pointed it out, but you're still not getting it. The inclusion of this point, and point 6, and the other points in between, were merely to present to you the FACTS about the situation. That they don't matter to you is irrelevant, I was providing you with the facts of the situation. quote Not my problem. It's England's court system being idiotic that's the problem. Again, you've given nothing to negate my point. Yes, criticise the English court system when you've got guys like Trayvon Martin being gunned down with sweet f a done about it. And if it's not your problem, why bring it up in the first place? I'm ashamed at how you can't see logic. quote You've got this based on the lack of freedom of speech. Good game on that. I would like to say however, that he only got arrested because of all of the people overreacting. Had it just been him posting this, nobody would have cared, but since he trended in the UK, that's why the law enforcement decided to do something silly. Right I've already provided you with the relevant UK laws which show you why he was arrested, and how he broke the law. Throwing out your own personal whines about the system that you don't even seem to understand is fine, but isn't worthy of a genuine response. quote That is, again, their fault. this guy got arrested because of maniacal fans frothing at the mouth trying to defend their hero. Also, look above at the previous note. Even though the majority of people who reported him were fans of other teams, or not even football fans at all, just disgusted by his tweets. Oh, and I'm ashamed at how you can't see logic. ------------------- quote Arsene Wenger There's not as much talent as money today in football.
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DjedwardSmith Victoria Per Deditionem Purely Neo total posts: 26554 since: Feb 2003	Mar 30, 12 at 9:58am ^ re: Troll Jailed for 56 Days Over Racially Motivated Twitter Comments Regarding Fabrice Muamba
	But the information was already public, it wasn't released as part of the court case, it was widely circulated on Twitter because it was linked on his various profiles. ------------------- quote Arsene Wenger There's not as much talent as money today in football.
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DjedwardSmith Victoria Per Deditionem Purely Neo total posts: 26554 since: Feb 2003	Apr 20, 12 at 5:29am ^ re: Troll Jailed for 56 Days Over Racially Motivated Twitter Comments Regarding Fabrice Muamba
	quote Mastix quote Whelan rofl. Freedom of speech doesn't mean you can just be racist, abusive and downright bleep attitude. That's actually exactly what it means. Under freedom of speech, at least in its most effective form, racist remarks are allowed to enter the public forum to be quelled by the harsh scrutiny of society. Instead of being hidden away in a closet to fester and worsen in twisted minds, as it did in the man who slaughtered children in Norway last year. You can't be belligerently abusive. You can't be actively disrupting someone's life with your constant assaults. But you can absolutely say things that might offend them. Yeah see I'm gonna run with the UK's legal definition of what is and isn't allowed over what you've just come out with. ------------------- quote Arsene Wenger There's not as much talent as money today in football.
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DjedwardSmith Victoria Per Deditionem Purely Neo total posts: 26554 since: Feb 2003	Apr 20, 12 at 5:48am ^ re: Troll Jailed for 56 Days Over Racially Motivated Twitter Comments Regarding Fabrice Muamba
	quote Jeremy Because laws are always just and correct. Oh look, it's you again. Since you're here; quote Jeremy Sure, all of those hormones he takes to play soccer competitively probably make him testosterone deficient, but still. quote Jeremy A fully grown adult should be a bit more reasonable. Sure, all of those hormones he takes to play soccer competitively probably make him testosterone deficient, but still. Beautiful. Now, onto your point (with which this reply will no doubt be ignored as happened the last time I had to decimate your 'arguments'), I didn't suggest nor imply that all laws are correct. But they're laws. I abide by them, even if there's some I disagree with. I then wouldn't complain if I was punished for not following these laws, because I'm well aware of their existence and have the mental capacity to follow them. ------------------- quote Arsene Wenger There's not as much talent as money today in football.
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DjedwardSmith Victoria Per Deditionem Purely Neo total posts: 26554 since: Feb 2003	Apr 20, 12 at 5:57am ^ re: Troll Jailed for 56 Days Over Racially Motivated Twitter Comments Regarding Fabrice Muamba
	quote Jeremy You did nothing, which is why I stopped talking to you. Aside from tear apart each and every 'point' you raised whilst several others laughed at your farcical opinions. Just as they'll do when the read the rubbish you come out with below quote If it was a law to go out and kill a child every two weeks, would you bend over and take it? I don't think so. But that isn't the law you buffoon is it, so it's such a non-sensical point to raise it's hardly worth replying to. But I shall. Because no doubt you'll provide more comedy gold. ------------------- quote Arsene Wenger There's not as much talent as money today in football.
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DjedwardSmith Victoria Per Deditionem Purely Neo total posts: 26554 since: Feb 2003	Apr 20, 12 at 6:27am ^ re: Troll Jailed for 56 Days Over Racially Motivated Twitter Comments Regarding Fabrice Muamba
	quote Jeremy Just because other people don't agree doesn't mean I'm incorrect. And in principle, you'd be correct. However, what does mean you're incorrect in the several frankly laughable things you've come out with in this topic, along with the shocking lack of any sort of credible evidence to support your farcical claims; doubly so when this gaping lack of support is confronted with several other sources that add credibility to the counter claims. quote Besides, all of the people who "laughed" were all donning Muamba signatures, and are clearly biased towards "supporting him", despite the fact that the real point is that this troll didn't deserve to be jailed, not that Fabrice was all of the things the troll said about him. And yet, after all this, you don't understand UK law. Even though I've linked you to it. And then quoted it too. quote The second part isn't even a reply, but a declaration of a reply. The fact of the matter is that laws come and go without much of your input. No, they don't. Feel free to show me these laws that 'come and go' within the UK, given an awful lot of them are established not only within the legal establishments around the country, but also established within our society that upkeeps them, and have been for years quote it's easy to see that somewhere in the less educated world there would be something as stupid as killing children being legally required. No, it really isn't. quote And even then, forget all of that, the point of my post is saying that if there was a law that you disagreed with, you'd quickly run to the other side of the room. Of course I would if the law was killing babies freely, but it's a hypothetical example without any shred of possibility. I could just as such throw out some absolutely ridiculous statement to counter, but fortunately for me, I'm not a complete simpleton so instead hide behind common sense, logic and facts. I clearly stated there are several laws I disagree with, but I still follow them because they're law. Of course, disagreeing with a speed limit and disagreeing with mindlessly slaughtering babies is such an immense leap in logic from common sense to sheer stupidity. quote I'm basically just saying this because you're inadvertently being a hypocrite, all to try and support this guy, which is hardly the point of any of this discussion. Please highlight, factually, how I'm a hypocrite. Because if you're going to label me a hypocrite because I believe the freedom of speech laws in this country don't protect racial abuse, and on the same hand wouldn't be happy with slaughtering babies, then by God you're going to be preaching to a thread full of hypocrites. ------------------- quote Arsene Wenger There's not as much talent as money today in football.
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DjedwardSmith Victoria Per Deditionem Purely Neo total posts: 26554 since: Feb 2003	Apr 20, 12 at 6:47am ^ re: Troll Jailed for 56 Days Over Racially Motivated Twitter Comments Regarding Fabrice Muamba
	quote Mastix quote DjedwardSmith Yeah see I'm gonna run with the UK's legal definition of what is and isn't allowed over what you've just come out with. quote DjedwardSmith I then wouldn't complain if I was punished for not following these laws, because I'm well aware of their existence and have the mental capacity to follow them. If no one ever complains, when do the laws get changed? Read the rest of the second quote to see what I said. quote I then wouldn't complain if I was punished for not following these laws, quote But as it stands I'm a third party and I believe the law is a violation of basic human rights to freedom of speech, thought and expression. What 'basic human rights to freedom of speech' is this? I was unaware I was born with a pre-determined right to say as I please, think as I please, and do as I please, without the threat of repercussion from these actions, specifically if they overstep the boundary into other existing laws. Again, freedom of speech is not absolute; if you think 'inciting racial hatred' is a violation of this freedom of speech, do you agree that people should therefore be allowed to freely spout racially motivated abuse in the public domain? quote because I'm on what I assume to be a civilized and thoughtful forum where I can express my ideas and reasonably expect a patient and considerate response. Which you'll get. It's when people with size 1 purple font chime in with their hilarious views that things get knocked down several pegs. quote Jeremy [div align=left][color=#9922cc] Severity means nothing here. All I'm saying is that if you were EVER put in a legal situation with a law you didn't actually agree with, you wouldn't uphold it. You've demonstrated this. You've even agreed with me. Yes, it does. Because we're talking about existing laws. Not ones which you've made up to support your argument. Also, I've clearly stated on more than one occaision that I adhere to some laws in this country regardless of my agreement with them. So no, I have not demonstrated such. quote quote DjedwardSmith But they're laws. I abide by them, even if there's some I disagree with. I then wouldn't complain if I was punished for not following these laws, because I'm well aware of their existence and have the mental capacity to follow them. You say you'd abide by any law (whether it makes sense the law is there or not, I'm using killing children as an example, but the context is open to change if you can't fathom it) Where do I? I quite clearly state in that quote that I abide by the laws currently in place. Not that I'd abide by any law. Try again. ------------------- quote Arsene Wenger There's not as much talent as money today in football.
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DjedwardSmith Victoria Per Deditionem Purely Neo total posts: 26554 since: Feb 2003	Apr 20, 12 at 7:35am ^ re: Troll Jailed for 56 Days Over Racially Motivated Twitter Comments Regarding Fabrice Muamba
	The quote also raises the issue of dignity; something that can be damaged if an absolute freedom of speech is granted, and in a legal definition treated as being 'above' other laws designed to prevent exploitation of such 'freedom'. quote My interpretation of this freedom is unfortunately different than that of both the UN and the UK, in that speech should only be limited insofar as it causes danger or harm, is abusive to the point of interfering with the life of the abused, or is plainly libelous/slanderous and intentionally misleading. Even then these limits should be applied with reservation and with reasonably high standards of proof. Is racial abuse not harmful though? Why should the line be drawn when it crosses into physical abuse, mental abuse, especially when focused on race, can be hugely damaging. quote It says "We only believe in freedom of speech until you say something we don't like, and won't even argue our position." This completely invalidates our authority to criticize a religious state or theocracy when they jail blasphemers or tyrannies when they stomp on dissenters "for the safety and security of the state." See I can't just buy into that, I can't quite see how upholding our laws regarding incitement of racial hatred taking precedence over a 'freedom of speech' can be viewed on the same level as directly punishing people who speak out against the government, as in Syria. I think it's the safety and security of the state line that throws me, I can't see either cases of somebody being jailed for racists tweets having been punished as such for this reason. quote How do we combat human rights injustices in China if they literally have the same reasoning we do? Namely that politically undesirable ideas are dangerous and need to be quelled with legal force? We've cut off the branch we stand on. But we haven't, our laws that are treated with moe importance (for lack of a better word) than a 'freedom of speech' aren't designed to protect the government as in some of the examples you've named, they're designed to protect society. Which you're free to disagree with, and I see entirely where you're coming from. It can lead to a slippery slope, a repression of a population unable to speak freely if you will; I just feel it would take such a leap in circumstances for such a scenario to arise that the law as it stands at this present moment is sufficient enough to allow an adequate freedom, whilst still maintaining the principles and values that hold society together. ------------------- quote Arsene Wenger There's not as much talent as money today in football.
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DjedwardSmith Victoria Per Deditionem Purely Neo total posts: 26554 since: Feb 2003	Apr 20, 12 at 8:15am ^ re: Troll Jailed for 56 Days Over Racially Motivated Twitter Comments Regarding Fabrice Muamba
	quote Mastix Abusive remarks on twitter? No. That's not crossing any line. It's the internet. If you don't like what you see you can not follow that person's feed. I really don't see how this person was being overly abusive. He said offensive things to be sure, but not words that could reasonably be expected to cause permanent emotional damage. But it being on the internet shouldn't negate it, and if what was tweeted as said on the street the punishment should be the same. His tweets that got attention were the Muamba ones, but I fancy the ones that secured a punishment against him were his various replies to the people who criticised him which followed along the lines of threatening to beat one person up, wishing death upon another, mocking the 'dead' Muamba, all sprinkled with racial expletives amongst it all. I'd say he went above and beyond a level of abuse that could be overlooked. With regards to China (and others), it's difficult to compare like for like logic due to the different backbones of their socieities. Looking at it with a westernised view, it's far too easy for me to question some of their laws, but without an understanding of how each one filters into their society, and how it was formed, it would be futile. I just feel you can't apply an identical logic to such differing nations and cultures, or at the very least be critical of another nation on the grounds of them not doing what you do because it 'works' within your country. I'm confusing myself. I think I agree with your point about China and the strength of it's society, but then within this country I just feel that there has to be some sort of deterrant because as great as it sounds in principle for society as a whole to maintain order in the face of such challenges, I would genuinely fear that there are enough people within this country who would exploit and take advantage of a lack of legislation. ------------------- quote Arsene Wenger There's not as much talent as money today in football.
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DjedwardSmith Victoria Per Deditionem Purely Neo total posts: 26554 since: Feb 2003	Apr 20, 12 at 9:28am ^ re: Troll Jailed for 56 Days Over Racially Motivated Twitter Comments Regarding Fabrice Muamba
	quote Jeremy Djedwardsmith, in your initial quote, you say you abide by laws. You didn't specify they had to be real, or even current. The way you said it entered into the super set of "any". Right. quote DjedwardSmith I didn't suggest nor imply that all laws are correct. But they're laws. I abide by them, even if there's some I disagree with. Does not even come remotely close to quote Jeremy You say you'd abide by any law Pointing out that I currently abide to an existing set of laws (emphasised in bold in my original quote) is not even remotely similar to what you accused, and subsequently failed to prove, me of saying. But of course, accuse me of bias, claim you won't post again, it's no surprise, it'll be the second time you've waddled off with your tail between your legs having failed to support any of your original claims. ------------------- quote Arsene Wenger There's not as much talent as money today in football.
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