Growlanser's Neoseeker series page

quote daveyd

quote kratoscar2011

im in the works of a review of the original psx Growlanser(In my mind) but i think the franchise history should be prioritary so which one should i focuse first?.

I'd say the series page would be most important.

I'm only familiar with Growlanser 2, 3, and 5 (which I just started). I guess the series page should probably focus mainly on 2, 3, 4, and 5 since they're the ones that currently have English releases but some general background history on Growlanser 1 (and 6 for that matter) would be very useful for the series page.

One thing the page should probably mention is the common theme of war, since I believe all the Growlanser games show the harshness of war. Can you think of any other common themes in the series?

My understanding of the series timeline is this:

3-->1-->2
4
5-->6

Growlanser 2 is a direct sequel to Growlanser 1. Growlanser 3 is a prequel to Growlanser 1. Growlanser 4 takes place in a separate universe. Growlanser 6 is a direct sequel to Growlanser 5. Is all of that correct?

quote daveyd

quote kratoscar2011

I will send you tomorrow or tuesday a notepad file with the difference between Growlanser 1 and 2 battle system, plus some story connection between them, so you can edit it.

By the way how is the TV topes project going? be sure to not work up out

Thanks.

I'm adding the trope suggestions you posted on Atlus forums today. Then I will start adding Growlanser examples in all of the tropes' respective pages.

quote CoarseDragon

The review is almost done. Just need to confirm images from the game that could be added and I'll send it back to kratoscar2011.

quote Guildenstern8

quote daveyd

The only information I've ever been able to find about CareerSoft is that they were acquired by Atlus in 2001. I'm not sure if they are even considered a separate studio at this point or if they have been fully integrated into Atlus.

I think atlus had that stock swap thing. Iirc, the whole company belongs to Index Holdings since 2010, a little after Strange Journey release. The problem of Index Holdings is that, unlike namco or square, they dont release their financial info or business plan nor any sort of thing to public (or at least in english). Under those circunstances, its a little hard to find reliable info about their studios or admin pratics. Their PR is called Aram Jabbari (atlus) and he have a twitter, perhaps you can contact him and ask for info: http://twitter.com/#!/atlusaram he is there for that after all.

quote daveyd

quote kratoscar2011

quote CoarseDragon

quote Dynamite

Dynamite
Hey guys.

You're all doing a really good job with building these profile pages. Your work hasn't gone unnoticed!

The forum could use a few more threads, though.

Thank you. As we get closer to release date there will be much more to discuss. I would call this the prep phase, then we move on to the build phase, then we fill our structure with treasures, trophies and tidbits for our visitors.

we can do that here? Oh boy i cant wait.

I could create a lot of threads but i doubt we can discuss from a game that hasnt got too much attention.

Perhaps we could create a general Q&A thread. Since you've actually played the Japanese PS2 version and know a lot more about this game you could help answer questions anyone may have. Obviously we want to keep it spoiler free but I'm sure many people would like to more specific things regarding the gameplay.

quote daveyd

Do you guys think it would be better to create threads here little by little?

I just made a relationship thread and think we should definitely have a thread about the characters given that there are is such a huge cast in this game, but I don't want go overboard with topics either.

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kratoscar2011

Do you think that "sci-fi" should be added as a theme on this game's profile page. I know there's some appearance of ancient technologies but I'm not sure if it plays a big enough role in the plot that we should add it.

quote daveyd

quote kratoscar2011

quote daveyd

I think we should also have a thread explaining the battle system. I could probably make one based on the info in kratoscar2011 's review. Unless someone else wants to do it.

I could do that but until lets say the next weekend since i would want to explain Growlanser series battle system changes from 1 to 2 and from 4 to 5 since those games made dramatic changes from theyre predecesors.

The summary of the battle system in your review of the JP PS2 version is very good. We should just expand on that a bit for the benefit of people who haven't played any Growlanser games.

quote CoarseDragon

quote kratoscar2011

quote daveyd

OK, I looked at NeoWikis for other RPGs to get ideas on things we could add to WoT's page:


Items (list of any items in the games such as "Blessing Bells" and their function)

Bestiary (list of monsters- would be nice if we could get pictures but that might be tricky until the game is released... )

Skills / Spells (list of skills / techniques and their function)

Locations: (info on various towns / countries / areas)

Images: (screenshots)

Quests Might be best to hold off on this one since it will be spoiler heavy.

Since I haven't played the JP version I don't really know anything about the monsters, skills, items, or locations. I guess we'd need all that info from kratoscar2011 Or has izanagi_the_creator played the JP version, too?

Also might be worth adding info about the Rings and how they work...

I could do the item and skills part, about enemies i dont know theyre names so izanagi should take care of that.

The enemies are mostly from Growlanser 3 with some new additions but i dunno if they have the same name.

I could take care of rings too.

I added General Skill Information and sub categories for that.

I added Items and sub categories for that.

I have added some text to those to give you an idea of what we can put in those areas. If we need more Skill or Item subcategories let me know.

Next I'll start on Locations and Beastiary.

I'm not sure where to put Blessing Bells. Any ideas? Maybe under Items?

Does anyone know if there is a world map some place we can use?

quote CoarseDragon

quote daveyd

^That was one I was thinking of. Too bad there isn't one with the new characters, too.

Otherwise here's one I really like:

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But that might be a bit redundant since Lucedeoangel used it to make our header.

I also modified Lucedeoangel's header for our wiki header so we don't want that one.

I like the group shot myself but the one with the wings is pretty cool, however not sure how much of that you get to see with the main page in the way. We want kratoscar2011's opinion too. I'll send a PM.

quote CoarseDragon

Well other than an image for "Items" I think we have a main page. I am satisfied with the colors, images and layout. If there are any suggestions for alternate images or captions please speak up. Otherwise and until we have much more to go on the body of work needs to be in the other pages.

kratoscar2011 and daveyd if you two have no objections I think we can have LOD-squa move this page and the color schema to the actual main page.

I know we still need things like world locations, character quotes meeting places, and probably lots other things I'm not thinking of but some of that might/will need to come from the actual game.

I'll keep searching for some image to represent "Items" but if anyone has something please add it and let me know.

Starting tomorrow afternoon (Thursday April 25th) I'm out of town until very late Sunday but I'll be around Thursday morning.

quote daveyd

quote kratoscar2011

hi i havent bee around too much since i have been busy in school around May 20 i will get vacations a Lot of time so i will be focusing on the Wiki and Replay Growlanser 4 so i can get pictures of the enemies and such so dont touch the following sections:

The colisseum, i have a file where i havent begun the Colisseum so i can begin from scratch, adding enemies per round, elm cost, prizes and screen shots.

The fairy system: The fairy sistem is quite easy and i need screenshots of the dollhouse fairy training and such.

The bestiary: I can take pictures of the enemies using the scan of the game and in the scan i can get the enemies hp, mp, attack, etc.

The ability learning system. using screenshots i will be able to explain the ability learning quite easily.

Ring system: Using screenshots i can make a good explanation.


As characters appearing in grow 4 D-LM is a different Raymi version however you can name her Raymi and you can Face Homunculus that resemble grow 2 and 3 characters, the Dungeon lady of 3.

Awesome. I'll focus mainly on the character pages as that's the only thing I really have any info about. But when you get a chance, can you tell me which Growlanser VI characters are playable (can join your party at some point)? All I know for sure is Merklich and Wendy are playable.

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quote kratoscar2011

quote CoarseDragon

I found an unlabeled world map and added a section for [[Category:Locations]]. I have a fan book for that has a world map in it but the locations are in Japanese. I'm going to try to scan and see if anyone around here can translate that text.

I think i will do that of course until i play the game.

I like what you added so far. I'll make different sections for the world locations. So far it does not look like Imagemap is supported but if we get that support I'll add a map that has click-able areas to launch the different locations.

quote CoarseDragon

quote kratoscar2011

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quote CoarseDragon

I found an unlabeled world map and added a section for [[Category:Locations]]. I have a fan book for that has a world map in it but the locations are in Japanese. I'm going to try to scan and see if anyone around here can translate that text.

I think i will do that of course until i play the game.

I like what you added so far. I'll make different sections for the world locations. So far it does not look like Imagemap is supported but if we get that support I'll add a map that has click-able areas to launch the different locations.

yes that was just the regions of the continent, we still need the locations of the towns, i can do it later as you can check the location of the town by seeing the map in the INN.

Do you think the fan translation will the same as Atlus' localization? I hope it will be the same.

Well there isnt a Story script fan translation for Grow 4 WoT, just a walktrought and a summary of the story. I espect ATLUS that they do a Translation akin to Growlanser HoW with a lot of "You" in the way similar to Persona as far as i can recall there isnt any controversial thing in the game unlike the Persona series.

Either way ATLUS will do an excellent Job.

I know Atlus will do a great job. I'm just leery of adding information that may not be consistent with what Atlus does and that causes us to have to change lots of pages.

Just one of the problems with working on a game that has not been released/localized yet. We'll just have to cross that bridge when we get to it.

quote CoarseDragon

quote kratoscar2011

quote CoarseDragon

quote kratoscar2011

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Is the game in "Chapters"? I think it is but not sure.

I wonder if we could do something like this:

Chapter 1: Mission 1-1: Overview (then add); [how to] Mission Clear; Mission Complete; [avoid] Mission Failure

And so on...

Chapter1: Mission 1-2: Same as above

Will that work according to how the game is presented? What do you guys think?

The game doesnt have chapters properly saying but as the history goes the plot get turns like this: Beggining, war, Angels and end of war and angels.
For missions something like this:
Chapter 1
Mission 1
Objectives
Game Over Conditions:
Mission Complete Conditions:
Mission Clear conditions:
Mission Failed conditions
Enemies:
Enemy Reinforcements:
Ally Reinforcements:
Info: To acomplish this mission, blah,blah,blah.

Actually the Guide Walktrough divided it in chapters so we could go along those lines.

Chapters is an easy way to go and give out information.

Have you been able to get any videos of the game yet? You mentioned you were going to try. I'd like to see that if you do. If you still have my e-mail address you can send me something, if you have anything.

quote CoarseDragon

kratoscar2011
daveyd

Do one of you have age,height,likes,dislike and ring weapon for Meleene?

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quote daveyd

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quote daveyd

quote kratoscar2011

Im worried about Crevaniel.

In the PS2 version there are only 8 spaces to add a name and Crevaniel has 9, and since ATLUS dont have progammers then the only option would be to change his name.

Another thing is that the Intros will most likely left out like in Growlanser 5 that the characters introduction was lef out, im still happy to get the game but i would like the game to have all the features.

Hmmm, perhaps there's more spaces in the PSP version? Otherwise they may just change the spelling to Crevanel. Unless they decide to totally Westernize it and make his default name Bob or something

By character intros, do you mean this video?

Like I said I can live w/o voice acting outside the cutscenes but I agree that I'd like all the content.

I have good news and bad news.

Good news first: Atlus sent me a list of every character in the game and the NEW names! Also I have their permission to use those names in the Wiki!

Some bad news however: Many names are changed including Crevanel who will become Crevanille. Now what that means is lots of page/name changes. Pretty sad about that

I'll be adding the list to this thread as soon as I get it sorted out, and both of you have had time to read this, also if you guys can help out with whatever information you might know.

There are several I do not recognize (and a few more):

1. Pocaccha
2. Josef
3. Professor Ninja

Professor Ninja? Could that be Master Hien? I don't know but none of those names are even close to any of the characters listed on Growlanser Realm... unless they're minor characters that Luce didn't even list...

Anyway, I guess the only way to change the spellings is to create a new page with the correct spelling and copy and paste the info from the old page, right? That's not such a big deal except we'll have some duplicate pages to delete.

No, Hien is listed as unchanged. Some of these are minor characters like "Receptionist". Probably a generic name for several different persons - arena comes to mind. Some of these names might be shop keepers or quest givers or perhaps even just named people you can talk with in towns.

For example Josef might be the guy who tells you such-and-such town in north of here and he does nothing else in the game.

If we had the game we would know

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quote kratoscar2011

I changed Crevanille to the main page, and playable characters.

Great, thanks. I had quite got around to that yet. I am making a list of what we know about the other name changes and I'll get to that soon enough. But if anyone wants to give it a go have at it.




Lucethira told me that these are name choices for the Familiars. If one of you can shed some light on that it would be great. My guess is that after you choose your Familiar you can then choose one of these names. I think we can just add that to each Familiar page, if it is correct.

Pitti - name choice for familiar
Yuni - name choice for familiar
Raimy - name choice for familiar

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quote kratoscar2011

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quote kratoscar2011

Daveyd
CoarseDragon

Im home, but bad news the program to see TV in the computer is broken so my other choice would be my camera however you know how bad the quality would be, so i will try to record a normal battle, post it and you can tell me if it worth a shot, i will try to upload it tomorrow as the conecction here is rather pathetic so lets see later.

That's to bad. I hope the video will come out alright could really use a look at the game.

Im uploading a video, however its tooking almost a day, so if the quality is acceptable i could do more but i will post them in june 20, it will not be good enough to use on the wiki but at least i hope you can get a good glance at the game multiple features.

Where are you putting the video?

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Daveyd CoarseDragon

Finished the vacation page the only thing left i think is the loaction of characters in their vacation spots.

About the collosseum i havent began because the file i tough i had to begin it wasnt there so i had to replay the game and reach the point where i can begin the collosseum from scratch.

the videos im going next week to friend house with a HD TV so i hope that the video quality is better in that TV, there is still hope.

I'm going clean up a couple of misspellings and such but awesome that is really good.

Good news on the videos too. Looking forward to those.

Please fix it, i wouldnt like to appear i used a google translator.

Not sure if I like it yet but here is what I have so far.

quote CoarseDragon

daveyd
kratoscar2011

I added the level 9 gems. This is the last thing I will do for several weeks. So you guys keep up the good work and I'll see you after I recover from surgery.

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daveyd
kratoscar2011

I added the level 9 gems. This is the last thing I will do for several weeks. So you guys keep up the good work and I'll see you after I recover from surgery.

Of course im eager to begin the videos and being to work in the Colisseum too.

When you do the coliseum remember to keep track of enemy levels we will want to add those to the wiki. I don't remember if those levels are set or based on the party average, that will important.

I can hardly wait to see the videos.

Something like that. However every type of Collisseum battle will need it own page.

You can create the pages or just add the information here and I'll do it when I get back.

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quote kratoscar2011

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Or maybe Daveyd could do it. I guess when im done with it you will be healed.

Sure I can try to add it to the wiki. When you have the info just create a colosseum thread and I'll add it when I can.

Sure i just need to reach further in the game first.

Just curious, About how far into the game (%) must you play before the Colosseum is accessible?

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quote izanagi_the_creator

In only a few weeks, we can finally play the game and work on the wiki at full speed.. I look forward to it!

Yeah, I can't wait! It's been over 5 years since Heritage of War was released. I do hope we don't have to wait that long for another Growlanser game to come out in English. Perhaps Growlanser I (PSP) stil has a chance if this is sells well enough to turn a profit. I'm dying to play the first game, but holding off on importing just in case. Unfortunately VI is likely impossible unless Atlus Japan does a remake for the Vita or something. Hey they did it for Persona 4, why not Growlanser?

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quote kratoscar2011

izanagi_the_creator
Im almost finished with my second playtrough after it i will try to make more edits on the wiki.

That's awesome, good luck on the edits!

I will check it out later..

quote izanagi_the_creator

Is it possible to dub the North American game with an extracted Japanese audio file? Is this sort of thing possible? Kind of like undub patching except that the North American game have no dubs..

quote kratoscar2011

quote izanagi_the_creator

quote kratoscar2011

izanagi_the_creator
Im almost finished with my second playtrough after it i will try to make more edits on the wiki.

That's awesome, good luck on the edits!

I will check it out later..

Yeah but i need help in something.

Do you have your copy of Generations with an advanced file there?

What's an advanced file?

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quote kratoscar2011

quote daveyd

kratoscar2011 Due to a bug, for the time being, we cannot edit the neowiki: http://www.neoseeker.com/forums/51652/t1745033-temporary-shutdown-of-wiki-editing-by-members-guests/

Crap! I edited some info about the colosseum yesterday and right now im in the work of finishing the colosseum and i was going to add it right away, check it out in the missions page for any grammar error.

The issue has been dealt with so we can now resume with editing the wiki... I quickly read the info you have about the colosseum and it looks pretty good. I'll touch up the grammar a bit more later.

I have a question about how damage works in this game though:

Is the physical damage dealt mainly determined by an "Attack score"? Is it affected by strength attribute? Basically what I am asking is what factors (aside from getting a critical hit and leveling up) affect how much damage Crevanille can do for each attack. I assume equipping different gems can affect the damage you do...

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quote daveyd

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daveyd

freaking finished the Colisseum/Arena Section, its kind of a mess but i can fix it later.

Nice. We'll worry about making it look more organized later. CD can help us decide how to format it once he's recovered. I will look it over more carefully once I actually get to the Colosseum (I'm only like 25 hours into my first playthrough), but at least for now we have some info up there.

We also still need to rename (move) some pages to match AtlusUSA's localization... For example, I guess we need to change the "vacations" page to "furloughs". And some spellings of the countries and cities still need to be changed. I should have some time to work on the wiki again soon... but of course right now I'm just focused on actually playing the game

Yeah it will need a lot, i tried recluting some people in gamefaqs but for not aval it seems.
im almost finished with the game so i will edit more things soon. Like the familiar section need an update.

I started playing the game, really great so far. I'm not to far in yet but have "Mission Complete" in every battle so far.

I'm getting some stuff together to add to the wiki. I'll probably start editing later next week. My wrist is doing pretty well so far but I can only work for short periods right now but in a couple of weeks I can get back to working more on the wiki.

You have done a good job so far. Thanks for picking up the slack while I was down