Totally New Series! - Page 2

Super Smash Bros. as a whole has intertwined various Nintendo franchises and series on the same plane. To date, countless series have been shown: Super Mario Bros., The Legend of Zelda, Pokémon, Donkey Kong, Star Fox, Pikmin, Fire Emblem, WarioWare, Kirby Super Star, Metroid, amongside various others like Golden Sun, Punch-Out!!, Sin & Punishment, Electroplankton, etc.

But there are still many series yet to be given a representation in any way whatsoever. This thread has been crafted to highlight those series. You bring up a series, no matter how obscure or bad, and tell us what you know about the series. It will then be for other repliers to critique the analysis and have their say on whether the series should be seen in the next Smash Bros. Since we're talking Nintendo here, any and all games published by them, irrespective of region, is accepted. I'm going to talk about another RPG, but this is an RPG series most of us should be familiar with:

*Final Fantasy


Genre: RPG

Profile: Final Fantasy is a J-RPG whose first game was released for the NES in 1987. It became a phenomenal success, and the series saw 14 games, not counting any remakes and compilations, and several spinoffs. Its main plot would involve bad guys stealing four crystals, each crystal representing one of the elements of water, wind, fire and earth, to use for their own personal gains. As the series evolved, the plots began to change. It, like many other RPGs, takes place in a huge overworld, and combines both magic and machines. One of the game's outstanding features is its music, which developers indieszero used to craft a Final Fantasy rhythm game. Various characters in the series made cameo appearances in Kingdom Hearts and Mario games, probably due to Square Enix's influence during development of the games in which they appear. With over 100 million units of the series sold worldwide, this is known as Square Enix's flagship RPG.

Games to date: 65
Since all of them can't possibly be mentioned, not forgetting that Nintendo-published games are being talked about, they will be filtered so that only Nintendo-published titles appear:
*Final Fantasy (NES)
*Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles (GCN)
*Final Fantasy IV Advance (GBA)
*Final Fantasy V Advance (GBA)
*Final Fantasy VI Advance (GBA)
*Final Fantasy Tactics Advance (GBA)
*Final Fantasy I and II: Dawn of Souls (GBA)

Notable Characters & Functions:
*Cecil Harvey (Final Fantasy IV Advance)

Cecil Harvey is Final Fantasy IV's protagonist. In the game he was seen as a dark knight at the beginning.

At that point in time he was the captain of the Red Wings. After Rosa gets abducted by Golbez in Fabul, he goes after them. But the ship used in the process got swept up at sea, and he found himself at Mysidia, a town of mages. The people there despised him because he stole their crystal. When the town's elder hears of his plight, he tells him to scale Mt. Ordeals to acquire the power he needs to combat Golbez. When he finally got to the summit, he was successful in its test and became a paladin. From here on out he would be involved in many eventual circumstances. Later, he is discovered to have come from the moon (Man on the moon reference?). That is the place where another lunar inhabitant, Zemus, was imprisoned. Zemus planned to destroy the earth, so Cecil and a trusted group of allies went to the moon to stop his plans. They emerged victorious in the lethal battle, and he and Rosa would later become king and queen of Baron.
Cecil would be a playable character, using a diverse array of sword abilities and white magic to attack.
Special: Holy Slash
A chargeable move, this infuses Cecil's blade with holy power.
Special + ←/→: Rushing Slash
Cecil rushes a short distance in the direction he's facing and slashes.
Special + ↑: Teleport
Cecil teleports himself upwards.
Special + ↓: Reflect
This slightly reduces the damage received from physical and special attacks. It will not protect you against strong attacks, however.
Final Smash: Sky Grinder
Cecil and Kain will attack from the air. Cecil will leap up, and a target indicator will appear at his origin spot. The spot can be moved with the control stick. Some seconds later, Cecil and Kain will deliver a jump attack from above. This attack is will pass through any platforms (i.e. the ones you can pass through.)

NOTE: To be continued.

quote BlueLore

Neo power:
Why are you only listing games published by nintendo?
It isn't like some games become nintendo games just because they are published by nintendo(this is very often the case,but not always,especially with series who appeared on different consoles).
So even though some final fantasy games were published by nintendo,it doesn't make the series less of a third party series than before(I mean in brawl there was also stuff referencing metal gear solid 4,so yes they were more or less advertising a game from a different console).

Because Nintendo owns some rights to the games, duh. And I do know that just because a particular 3rd-party series is published by Nintendo doesn't automatically make it their property. But so long as at least one game was under Nintendo's banner, i.e. published by Nintendo, does it not deserve to be talked and discussed about? And besides, this gives us all a wider pool of ideas to utilise.

I also think that cecil is a good choice since Final fantasy IV is often seen as a milestone and the only one to get 2 remakes on nintendo handhelds,as well as a sequel for wiiware(it appears on other consoles though)
However I think his moveset would fit better if he was able to switch between forms similar to how he does it in dissidia.Especially with him having a shadow move as final smash doesn't fit,since the transformation from dark knight to paladin is supposed to make him stronger(or at least just as strong),so him going back for a darkness attack as a final smash doesn't fit
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Ok, then. I suppose I'll leave the idea of a better moveset and final smash to you. I never played Dissidia, so I have little idea how to utilise it.

quote BlueLore

No just because Nintendo published the game doesn't give nintendo any rights about its characters.

The fact remains that square has all rights of the final fantasy series.
Not to mention that nintendo never published a metal gear-game and snake still made it into brawl.

About the moveset:
Well I never played Dissida as well,but I've read a little bit about it and I played Final fantasy IV which is why I think it wouldn't work for cecil to turn into a dark knight for his final smash.

On the issue of Nintendo-published games... What do I have to say to get you to understand?
I do know that Final Fantasy is Square Enix property, and Square Enix may never allow their characters be used in Smash Bros. But as I did say, the ticket for a game series to be discussed in this thread is that just one of its series are Nintendo-published. And according to my Final Fantasy discussion, 7 were Nintendo-published, out of the maybe 20-something games that appeared on all the Nintendo consoles altogether. And given that it's Square Enix's best-selling RPG, it'll be the first series from Square Enix to be given a rep for Smash Bros... If Square Enix decides to let its characters be used in the game. But who am I kidding, the rules state one character per 3rd-party company, so it may go to Geno.

And in conclusion, I never said Cecil turns into a dark knight for his final smash. The idea is a real paradox, but it was the best I could come up with.

quote BlueLore

Neo Power:
But where is the point in theorizing or talking about games that were published by nintendo if they are still 3rd party?
It is not as if that would boost their chances of being included in smash 4 in any way,since they remain third party.

Allow me to put it this way... Which series would I rather speak about here, Battalion Wars, which had two series, but is Nintendo property, or Cooking Mama, which had many games on Nintendo consoles, yet not one was published by Nintendo? The key word is 'published'; not all of the series that featured in Smash Brothers were developed by Nintendo, but were published by them.


And about cecil:
Well if he doesn't transform,then it makes the Final smash even weirder as he would use dark powers as a paladin and it was a plot point that he abandoned these powers in order to become a paladin.
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I get the point you're attempting to make, but we're making little headway in the attempt to come up with a new Final Smash for Cecil. I wouldn't expect to come up with a completely new idea that reflects Cecil very soon, since he has a limited library of skills.

What about other Warrior of Light?

Hes from the original FF game, then Chaos could be a boss.

quote GaTheZakk

What about other Warrior of Light?

Hes from the original FF game, then Chaos could be a boss.

Would also be possible,simply because he was the first main chara,but the fact that he is more or less a blank character makes him not really outstanding.

quote Neo Power

So maybe I should rather have put Cruis'n in Battalion Wars's place (Game had two known publishers, the other being Midway)? And if i say that Final Fantasy Tactics Advance was the only Final Fantasy game to even appear in Brawl's Chronicle, will you then cut it some slack? And remember: Nintendo-published (excluding Virtual Console games- see first page.). Final Fantasy, no matter how you slice it, falls under this category, which means I'm not breaking my rules and which means it's not a pointless series to bring up.

Cruisn was also published by nintendo?Can't find anything like that on the internet.

But anyway lets say there are two games A and B,both are third party games who appeared on some nintendo consoles,but A had some of its games published by nintendo in some regions.

So about which game would it make more sense to talk about?The answer is they would be both equal(at least if their series would be equally popular and so on).
A third party series remains a third party series no matter how many games are published by nintendo.
There is a reason that nothing from final fantasy in brawl,which is because final fantasy is a third party series.(and no final fantasy tactics is not listed in the chronicles),regardless of how many games were published by nintendo.

The reason as for why so many characters are in ssb,whose games are all published by nintendo is because all games from series owned by nintendo are also published by them(not sure if there are some exceptions),but not every game published by nintendo is owned by nintendo.

PS:Could you try to quote the posts the right way,it gets sometimes confusing where your own post begins.

Continuing from previous Final Fantasy post:
*Rosa Joanna Farrell (Final Fantasy IV)

Rosa is a White Mage in Final Fantasy IV. She is first seen in Castle Baron. After the earthquake that took place in Mist, she set out to look for Cecil, since the King sent him there on a mission. Cecil and Rydia see her at a desert town, suffering from a fever that can only be treated with an antlion pearl. With Edward's aid, they obtain the pearl and cure Rosa. She travels with Cecil in the hopes that they could stop Golbez, after he has succeeded in stealing two elemental crystals. Their travels led them to Fabul, where they helped the monk Yang defend their crystal. The attempt proved unsuccessful, and Rosa was abducted by Golbez and Kain. She is later saved by Cecil in the Tower of Zot. She seems to take Cecil's welfare in the highest regard, which is shown in how she left Baron to look for him and how she disobeyed Cecil's orders to depart from the Lunar Whale following their final confrontation against Zemus.
Rosa's skills would be best shown as an Assist Trophy. Being a white mage, she will use spells that heal the summoning user or boost his/her stats. She may also use a bow & arrows to attack. At times she may use the ultimate (and only) white magic attack, Holy.
*Golbez (Final Fantasy IV)

Golbez is one of Final Fantasy IV's antagonists. It is revealed that he seks crystals, and will stop at nothing to get them. For this reason, he constantly interferes with Cecil's quest, kidnaps Rosa and brainwashes Kain. In a very flabbergasting plot twist he is revealed to be Cecil's brother. After learning that all his actions were the cause of Zemus, he goes to the moon to eradicte him, accompanied by Fusoya. After the battle with Zeromus, he did not return to Earth with Cecil, rather he decided to stay on the moon.
Golbez normally uses black magic, and with a good enough deal of thinking and research, can be incorporated into a moveset, thus:
Special: Fira
A burst of fire explodes in his front.
Special + ←/→: Thundara
Golbez sends a spark of lightning moving in the direction he is facing.
Special + ↑: Float
Golbez will ascend in the direction pushed on the control stick. This will last for 5 seconds.
Special + ↓: Bio
Golbez will attack an opponent directly or a short distance away with poison sludge. This has a moderate chance of poisoning.
Final Smash: Meteor
Golbez uses the ultimate black magic spell, Meteor, which causes meteors to fall from above.

Thanks for the advice, bbb7002004. I'll commit it to memory.