And the screams will sound forth like a choir. - Page 2

I'm not a part of any clan, nor do I even play this game often. When I do play, it's with a small group of friends that play for fun, not to pwn noobs. Regardless, I still know that the Rocket Launcher spawns in the same spot every 3 minutes. Not that hard to figure out, really.

The only reason you don't do it to such a high degree as the people you're talking about, is because you're not as good as they are. That's not their fault. Either way, you're frustrating other players just the same as they are.

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I don't know if you've ever played BTB and ran into a clan of 8? Surely while you sit there trying to move two feet while trying to avoid getting kill instantly you aren't thinking "this sure is amazingly fun and fair!"?

Regaining map control isn't really that hard. If you're ever put in that situation and can't break from it, it's your team's fault, not the game's. Even without power weapons, you'd probably be surprised at how fast you can take down a Banshee or Scorpion with just a DMR. If you can manage to grab a sniper, it's like 4 shots for the Scorpion and 2 for the Banshee. Bam, you have map control within seconds.

I think the point brought up by CrystalLaser is really because Bungie got lazy and stopped matching teams up with teams. Admittedly going in alone and coming up against a team while playing alone can be infuriating, but that's not a fair reason to change how the game works in every case for every person. Regaining map control isn't really that hard, apart from sometimes in BTB but if you let it get to that point your team's going to lose anyway.

I'm really hoping that 343 sort out the mess that halo multiplayer became. I don't think adding any unpredictability to it is going to help, so this weapon spawn thing is going to SUCK just like bloom did (and now we're at a point in reach where no bloom is bad because the DMR is OP and bloom is bad because DMR duels can bve quite random. What would fix a lot of problems is the reintroduction of matching by teams, but more importantly the inclusion of a skill system. Having games match you up by skill means that if you do happen to come up against a team, your teammates can likely take them on with you, and even better these people that Axe mentioned in his post won't have to play against him, because clearly they'll be at a much higher skill level.

Oh and I'll add my two cents on something again that CrystalLaser said, about the other team in a btb game dominating the map because he just wants to have fun. When you're the person doing that and destroying people in a game, I think you'd find it's actually pretty fun too. In fact I find it a lot more fun to play with skill and beat people than to mess around with a plasma rifle riding a mongoose and getting dicked on.

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It could make it so xXzzYSniperHeadshotDomeMc*bleep*FaceYzzXx and his buddies have to actually learn to fight

Those ones. But in answer to your last post, if you're letting people who suck whore power weapons then clearly power weapon control is something of insignificance to you, whether you do it yourself or not.

Of course I know what it's about Axe I don't see what you're getting at. Just pointing out really that the people who keep beating you by having power weapons are actually using skill and being able to "sprint around the map picking up the best guns" is a by-product of that - something you continually seem not to realise.

But that's not really my point, overall I'm just against randomness in competitive games and I'm trying to say it takes away the need for skill, rather than supporting it, which seems to be what you were saying.

Chrono - Hear hear!

quote Fury

It works great for CoD IMO, but I'd hate to see it in Halo. CoD does have a "Classic" mode where everyone has the same starting weapon and there are weapons laid out across the map, but it's much more boring. Works perfectly for Halo, though.

Works perfectly for competitive/skill based games like Halo and Gears of War where map control and power weapon control play a big part in winning the match. That's why I love games like that because they require actual skill to succeed.

Unpredictable heavy weapon spawns are comparable to that of a care-package in Call of Duty, minus a player calling down the drop. Everyone is notified of the drop location and everyone has the same opportunity to acquire the weapon.

However, the "random weapon drop" appears to be more of a merge between hill-weapon drops and ordinances in Halo Reach. Players will need to control an indicated drop-region in order to get the heavy weapons, while also standing clear of the drop-zone.

With this concept, players will be given yet another challenge. Prevent the other team from getting the heavy weapons and push to get the heavy weapons themselves.Instead of players being bombarded by people accustom to relying on heavy weapons, everyone starts the game with a fair playing field and everyone is aware of the weapons introduced to the game. Whether you're a new player or a highly skilled player, a single game could pose different outcomes.

Truly skilled teams will be able to adapt to these situations and uncoordinated teams will lose most of the heavy weapons dropped. Teams suppressed by spawn killing will have room to recover and suppressive teams will have to rely on more than just a few heavy weapons. Thus, skilled players will be given yet another challenge and games won't become the repetitive rushes and spawn killing onslaughts typically seen in Halo.

On the other hand, If you're a truly skilled player, you shouldn't have to rely on heavy weapons alone to suppress another team. Skilled teams should be able to adapt to any situation and be skilled with any weapon. Take into account that players will already be able to customize their character to match their playing style and heavy weapons will only give people a shot to attempt a counter against a different class. Unpredictable heavy weapon drops are merely around to emphasize that obtaining heavy weapons are an objective too. Instead of keeping a weapon spawn secretive, the heavy weapons will be advertised on your screen.

EDIT: I will say, I like the idea of the power weapons being in a set spawn and then turning into ordnance. I think that is a fair way to handle things.

Muller - 8 good players working together vs. 1 doesn't mean I'm bad at the game by any means. I'm no where near top tier, but I when I played this game hardcore a while ago I was pretty close.

I never go into a game with a group of people. All of my players are random. I don't have to tell you how hard it is to get a group like that to work together, for various different reasons. The reason I do that is because I dislike playing game for shear dominance. It is nice to do every once and a while, but it gets boring just killing the living *bleep* out of the other team while they sit there trying to move to get the highest rank or whatever. I like a little challenge.

If I ever wanted to just destroy the other team for a full 15 minutes, I'd just hardcore the game again and join KSI, god knows how many invites I've gotten from them already.

Do you honestly go into games as a MLG clan with your entire battle planned out and hope a bunch of rag tags thrown together will give you a challenge? Kinda a bit much to ask.


EDIT: DannyB01 - It is every once and a while, but knowing that I managed to single handily dominate a team and earned my dominance is much more rewarding then 8 MLG vs. 8 rag tag. I've had games where I brought back my team for a 30+ difference. But doing it knowing that it there wasn't going to be a quick fix for it was amazingly fun.