Signs that XIII-3 will be a new game - Page 3

quote SpartanNinja

quote bluedragon rox

hope/sazh/lightning. guess that would work. but i still think that vaneill/ fang shoul be playable charecters. just cause i cant see them just dissapearing after the ending of xiii-2

Perhaps as later players. We would obviously have to see them come back for it to make any sense but having them is not inconceivable given what they already have fed us storylinewise. Fang as Commando but where would the others fall.

well yea. cause if they just randomly appeared, id be just a little freaked out/confused.

quote RPGerBlue13

bluedragon rox

i guess i should have considered that,
in that case forget the uploading character data.

But since we and Mog don't really know of his origins other than he had a home, he could very well be an eidolon.

as i said earlier though, the alternate endings are just ways to show how it could have ended.

Leaving only the main plot line before the paradox scope fragment/skill of the "to be continued..."

he cant be an eidolin. they dissapear after like, a minute, after they turn into vehicles.

mog? hes ALWAYS around. he turns into a WEAPON, and he doesnt dissapear after doing so. plusHE TALKS, ediolins, from what we have seen so far, DONT TALK. therfore, hes not an eidolin. unless, of course, square sees this, and decides to spit in my face. that is however, extreamly, unconceivably unlikely. so i dont know why i brought it up. probably just being random. and off topic.

Yes bluedragon rox you do seem to have a bit of hostility in that last message so lets cut that down a bit. Everyone can have their own ideas and opinions about what could happen in the next game. Seeing as we have no idea about anything, or if there will even be one.

I don't think that was hostile, it was however, passionate just look at the spelling errors done out of haste lol.

And bluedragon rox Mog is more than likely an Eidolon, here is the reason why, the definition of Eidolon in FFXIII is 'creatures created by the goddess Etro to serve as her emissaries in the Visible World' and 'to deliver hope when all was lost' which is obviously how Serah felt near the beginning of the story. Lightning obviously serves Etro in order to prevent the end of the world. So her finding Mog was probably something that Etro wanted, now both Noel and Serah are serving Etro too whether they are aware of it or not and Mog serves them. Besides there is nothing preventing Eidolons from talking, or even fighting if you remember Ifrit and Carbuncle from the first 13 who were part of a show. Summoning seems to be a gameplay related thing as opposed to a story related thing. Purposefully nerfing there abilities to keep the story going as they want.

Plus its transformations abilities are also in line with being an Eidolon.

The thing is, is that Mog originates from Valhalla and from what I understand those who come from Valhalla are considered Eidolons as Lightning is able to control them as Etro's guardian and she can command Mog to help her sister as well and she did.

Eidolons also serve a purpose in the story and a somewhat large one but they get limited screen time, but Mog gets more screen time because when you go from having six playable characters and multiple diverged storylines of 13 to having only 2 (temporarily 3) characters on a fairly onerous mission through time and you need that third character to help explain and balance out the other two. In the original the characters EVENTUALLY (sigh) explained everything and the player understand but even if you played that both Noel and Serah have no clue what to do until Mog comes strolling along sent by Lightning from Valhalla but like every encounter with Eidolons in the original where they felt lost and/or confused so the Eidolons were there to put them back on track and after testing them help them. But nowhere does it say that they have to be hostile initially in the case of Mog who admittedly was rather ambivalent a the beginning. So he may not be an Eidolon in the traditional sense of kicking your ass til you find a purpose but he is from Valhalla where Eidolons reside and he was summoned during a time of uncertainty, and he is distinctly affected by Etro's 'death' unlike anyone else... Imma stop no because I'm droning but the evidence is more for it than against.

quote Yggdrasill

Lightning had monsters fighting with her in Valhalla... And they're not eidolons . Valfodr is also a monster from Valhalla, and he is no eidolon.

What is Valfodr exactly? I have no idea and no one seems to have a clue. And saying that you have to define what a monster is, Seems to me the Eidolons were monsters that serve l'cie or whoever Etro says.

quote Yggdrasill

He's just another magical creature

Thats the thing Eidolons are just magical creatures that can be summoned via Eidoliths (the stones that the characters carry in 13) and can transform. He may have originated from the Ccean of Time but he found himself in Valhalla as the weakest monster. The weak serve the strong and you have to defeat your Eidolon in order for them to serve you. In this case Lightning defeated him and took him under wing and thus he serves her just as Odin does. And he transforms... just like, wow an Eidolon changes into a living weapon! Just saying he may not have started out as a monster let alone an Eidolon but he sure became one, according to the rules of Valhalla and the World Beyond anyway. Also Mog states that he is extremely loyal to Lightning for saving him and is left ambiguous on whether he is more loyal to Light or Serah. Meh I guess if we are ever to find out it would have to be in this thrid game or from the devs themselves but you know how SE is...

quote Yggdrasill

Objection

quote Yggdrasill

I am also a bit uncertain of Etro's fate... Mog says that she is "gone", and Caius says that she is dead. Knowing the importance of each word in such a FF... I'm sure Etro is not truly dead. But that's another discussion.

Well the world is ending... and Caius straight up says it... theres really no way around that I think even for SE... Guess we'll have to wait and see.

quote Yggdrasill

Not to mention that every "spirit" was given by Etro as a way to control the power of chaos. Her being "gone", every creature, magical beings before any others, will be affected by this.

Thats the thing her tearing herself apart was what created Humans and the chaos she can vaguely controll is our 'heart' I'm assuming will or soul. If she dies souldn't we all cease to exist?

Bluedragon rox don't worry about it to much. Being over a screen makes a lot of things seem rude even if you didn't mean it that way. I just have to make sure you didn't, so it's no biggy.

Mog is a lot like an eidolon in some ways but in some ways he also isn't. So I would say it is definitely possible but also not possible.

Haha love that episode.

Also no worries, it is off the topic but it is also a great conversation. It would be awesome to take it over to the mog thread.