Disagree. Serra doesn't deserve the top tier, she isn't that great. She might have early heal n' join, along with good supports, but Erk has better stats all around, joins on chapters where enemy's resistance is almost 0, and so, is overpowering.

Shouldn't Sain and Kent be bumped over Eliwood? Paladin >> Knight Lord by far, because of weapon triangle, better con n' movement and earlier promotion

This message was edited by HeavenFireSword on May 22 2008.

Why is Guy so rated above Lyn? Shouldn't Lyn be closer to Guy since she is basically a female mrymidon/swordsmaster

They both have more or less the same weaknessess and strentgths imo ie generally low Str and Con and pretty good speed and critical rates.

Also Lyn is in the game a hell lot more chapers than Guy is in since she has all her mode to level up in and therefore should be higher levelled when you get Guy.

Plus she has the bonus of using bows on promotion where as Guy is still stuck on using swords. Meaning she attack both at long and short range at promotion whereas Guy is stuck short range attacks.

Not to mention that the Manni Katti has more durabilty than the default Killing Edge that Guy comes equipped with.

Manni Katti is the only thing Lyn has over Guy. On the other hand, Guy wins due to:

Why promote Lyn second? You can always use the first Heaven seal on her and promote Eliwood later in HHM.

Also are we not doing LHM mode as well as HHM to make HHM easier? If we don't do this, then a lot of characters from her mode are underlevelled when you start HHM.

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Why promote Lyn second? You can always use the first Heaven seal on her and promote Eliwood later in HHM.

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Also are we not doing LHM mode as well as HHM to make HHM easier? If we don't do this, then a lot of characters from her mode are underlevelled when you start HHM.

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Disagree. Serra doesn't deserve the top tier, she isn't that great. She might have early heal n' join, along with good supports, but Erk has better stats all around, joins on chapters where enemy's resistance is almost 0, and so, is overpowering.

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1. Before Serra promotes stats are partially irrelevant. The only stats that are relevant for both are defensive stats, and Serra wins those, so meh, that’s not helping Erk.

2. After Serra promotes, no, Erk does not have better stats all around.

3. Having good offense is still less impressive than healing. I have only one other unit that heals, but atleast a few others who have good offense, and plenty who have good situational offense.

To be fair, Pent and Renault come rather late (Renault especially). WJC's point is that Serra at first exists as your only healer, and then even when you get Prissy she's still one of only two healers until one of your other spellcasters promote.

Yeah, but my point is that beaing capable of healing isn't reason enough to bump someone to high tier.

Why do you think Priscilla is top tier? It's not for her goods looks. A lot of it is because she's a valuable healer at a time where Serra is your only alternative.

When you're one of only two healers for half the game then that is perfectly justifiable for moving up some places.

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1- Stats do matter, Since both need HP, Erk wins there, Defence, Erk wins there, Res, Serra wins there. Defensive stats are not just Res you know?

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2-Yes he does. Serra:http://serenesforest.net/fe7/average/serra.html
Erk:http://serenesforest.net/fe7/average/erk.html
Serra just wins Luck n' res, 2 stats out of 7, unless you include CON, which Erk wins too.

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3-Never said healing is wrong or something, but being a healer doesn't mean you should get inmediate Top tier. Examples:
a)Pent, he starts with both Anima and Staves A ranked, so you can make him a healer. But Healing ain't gonna bump him into Top tier.
b) Renault, same thing, but with the worst stats you could think of.

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Why do you think Priscilla is top tier? It's not for her goods looks.

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Except that Serra’s on a higher level and gets better support bonuses.

Prissy's growth rates aren't really better than Serra's. She has like 20% more skill and 5% more luck. Her offence is better due to anima + better magic base, but even that isn't going to be that big a difference since Serra will enter at a higher level, but that's about it in terms of stats. Oh, and mounted.

Supports are a bit iffy. Serra's take longer but the bonuses are generally better.

WJC has a point. If we're using Priscilla as a base for comparison then Serra is fairly close to her. Seems unfair to put a whole tier's difference between them.

Actually, Serra has better Hp, Magic and Resistance growths, but Priscilla has better bases, and on a 20/20 comparation, Serra only ends with better Hp and Speed, Priscilla winning or tying on the other ones. And bumping Serra into Top would mean put her over Ninian and Erk. Doesn't seem that good to me, and she has no pony

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OK, let's say you could level Serra up on those 2 chapters. Let's say you got her to level 3 (thought i consider that quite hard) Erk, at lvl 1, is still getting better magic, better skill, and same defense. She loosing that way doesn't help my trust in her, mainly because of her low magic, which makes her heal poorly until she gets a Mend or a really higher level.

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Actually, Serra has better Hp, Magic and Resistance growths, but Priscilla has better bases

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and on a 20/20 comparation, Serra only ends with better Hp and Speed, Priscilla winning or tying on the other ones. And bumping Serra into Top would mean put her over Ninian and Erk. Doesn't seem that good to me, and she has no pony