The Dark Knight Rises (Post-Release Discussion) - Page 17

quote SolidMAP

Ok. But still doesn't make sense "bring her to me" then they have a quickie and she goes off like nothing talking to Bruce? Lol

I think that's where we are trying to get at but fair enough i have only seen in once but i am going to go again just to see if i missed anything.

Well it would have been abit obvious if he was like " lol jks its Tahlia Al Ghul dont exile her."

Haha, false claims, nice. xD Anyway, I think the reason for Tate and Bruce getting together was...Bruce was at a low point, no money, no Alfred, with Alfred's last words to him ringing in his head. It seemed a bit out of place but if anyone was in his shoes I'm sure they would have tried to secure their future.

Absolutely incredible movie. It really touched me deeply.

Everything about it was as good as anyone could have hoped for. A solid 10 from me.

quote Mister MacPhisto

Storm... Son of the Demon nod without Damian imo. Or at the least touching on one of the character's love interests from the comics.

I know that, Mac. I'm talking about the way it was handled in the film, like everyone else here is interpreting. Reference or not, the way it was handled was quite weak, and I was simply trying to see the reasoning behind it as far as the storyline was concerned. It just seemed like Talia's character, her role in the film, was latched on.

Yeah I'm well aware of the romantc links between Talia and Bruce in the comics I just thought it was pretty weak in the film.

After watching the early version of the prologue, Bane's voice sounds so much better.

I don't mean to sound too negative about the film because I think it has a lot of great moments in it but it's definitely the weakest of the trilogy imo

quote Storm

quote Mister MacPhisto

Storm... Son of the Demon nod without Damian imo. Or at the least touching on one of the character's love interests from the comics.

I know that, Mac. I'm talking about the way it was handled in the film, like everyone else here is interpreting. Reference or not, the way it was handled was quite weak, and I was simply trying to see the reasoning behind it as far as the storyline was concerned. It just seemed like Talia's character, her role in the film, was latched on.

Then try this. There's an almost obsession in these films for symbolism, theme, paralllelism... etc (and same can be said for any Nolan flick). Some of your fancy shmancy literary stuff. Like Melville with Moby Dick.

So to point, it's a bit of the ending is also the beginning. Ra's in the first piece was plotting the downfall of Gotham and was posing as a friend. His daughter does the same. Bruce was happy at the beginning of the first and is happy at the end of the last. Circular. Etc. Etc.

And while utilizing all those sorts of techniques is well and good, at the same time it does contribute to a factor of inorganic or even contrived storytelling at times as characters perform actions not based on personality traits, the plot so far, or circumstances of setting but due to having to fulfill a particular purpose or such in the scheme of things.

It's the kind of thing I prefer to recognize and not pick at in narratives I enjoy as it inevitably leads to some degree of unravelling the story itself or my enjoyment of it.

Think of it as a detective trying to bend facts to suit a theory instead of the other way around.

Excellent film. Did not live up to the hype or match its predecessor, but a worthy conclusion to the trilogy and another feather in the cap of Chris Nolan.

I don't know if I missed anything, but after Batman was stabbed by Talia - who kept that knife in there pretty deep - how did he recover from that? It was just never referred to again! As soon as Catwoman blasted Bane away, that was it, super-Batman recovery.

My only plothole about it all, is how does Bane eat with the one thing keeping him out of agony? A straw?