When I first caught wind of Raging Blast, I was ecstatic. Finally, a true current gen Tenkaichi hopefully with more characters and a refined fighting engine. I doubted that Spike would take the Dimps route by essentially remaking an old game instead of actually making a sequel to Tenkaichi 3.

But I was wrong. So very wrong.

Raging Blast is a HUGE step back. In many ways, it's even inferior to Tenkaichi 1. I'm amazed at how bad this game is. I've been a huge fan of the Tenkiachi series and I still play Tenkaichi 3 because of its huge cast of characters and solid fighting engine.

Raging Blast has none of this. The character list is roughly 1/3 the size of Tenkaichi 3... and for what? It's not as if the graphics are really that good and it's not as if the characters feel any more different from one another. Why the cut-back on the character list? I for one liked to play as people like King Cold. I was so happy to be able to smackdown with him in T3 and then they go and axe him (and three dozen other characters)?

As for the gameplay... just wow. What were they thinking? It feels so slow, unresponsive, and primitive that it actually feels clunkier than the first Tenkaichi. Melee combos are worthless and tiny. Movement feels so awkward. The camera is horrendous (you won't even see your opponent half the time). Seriously, WHAT IS GOING ON!?

Is this some kind of a sick joke? And before anybody comes in the criticize me by saying, "Don't complain because this is a whole new game. Raging Blast 3 will be awesome!"

No... just no. This is not a whole new series. This is Tenkaichi 4 with a different name... and a lamer game. I for one, DO NOT want to support a company that treats its fans like this. Seriously, wait for Raging Blast 3? And that comes out in 2014, right? Urgh.

I for one will not be buying Raging Blast and I strongly recommend that you guys don't either. It's a joke of a game, especially for those who really got into Tenkaichi 2 & 3. The only compliments that I could possibly muster are that its customizable moves are a neat idea (though overall, you have less moves than the last games) and the online is leagues better than Tenkaichi 3... too bad the game itself is less fun.

Don't buy this game, people. If you do, it will only encourage Spike to continue butchering their games in order to keep you buying sequel after sequel in hopes that one day, they'll recapture the brilliance of a game they made 3 years ago on the PS2/Wii. Then again... if nobody buys their new games, knowing Spike, they'd probably just stop making DBZ games rather than make a good one.

i totally disagree
i think the game is the best dbz game yet
it has way more moves then others
the graphics look awesome
and maybe you cant see the oppenent half the time cause you suck at the game-lol
i am awesome at the game and make it look just like the anime when iam fighting-evryone who is a dbz fan should buy this game

quote demon7042

i totally disagree
i think the game is the best dbz game yet
it has way more moves then others
the graphics look awesome
and maybe you cant see the oppenent half the time cause you suck at the game-lol
i am awesome at the game and make it look just like the anime when iam fighting-evryone who is a dbz fan should buy this game

I have to wonder if you've ever played Tenkaichi 3. Heck, even Tenkaichi 2 is superior to Raging Blast. The only thing RB has going for it is online, but when the game itself isn't as fun as the old games, why bother? And by the way, poor camera angles are not the result of me "sucking" at the game. It's a result of poor programming. If enough people complained about it when the demo came out, they MIGHT have fixed it -- but no, the average DBZ fan was too busy salivating over SS3 Brolly to care that the game sucks.

I also disagree with that, I prefer raging blast over the tenkaichi series. Yes I have the tenkaichi series but I honestly prefer raging blast. I have more capabilities in it as well as the controls are easy to get used to. I like how they limited it up to super saiyan 3 because super saiyan 4 is just plain annoying. But at the same time I like the online play as well as the new and improved combo system. I suggest you give it a chance. Raging Blast is superior to the tenkaichi series

Its not like burst limit was at least, compared to the budokai series it was a disgrace

I haven't played this game yet, so don't take my post TO seriously, but I have a hard time imagining this game is worse than BT1, that game was pure ass....

You best be trollin, you make some good points though and I respect your opinion and all, but seriously Tenkaichi 1 was and always will be a poor graphicy, nitpick worthy, and overall a mess!

I think some people make to big of a deal out of the roster size.... 70 characters isn't enough? Who cares if BT3 had more. Who cares if this game doesn't have any and all characters in the entire series/movies/specials... People are just spoiled these days.... Back in the SNES days we were lucky if we had a roster size of 10-15 characters in a DBZ game....

Try playing Butouden 1,2,3, or Hyper Dimension for the SNES and then tell me about roster size issues... LOL

I realize newer consoles can hold a lot more than the SNES could, I am not that stupid, so no one needs to point that out BTW.... I am just saying, regardless of the times and the console and how much space they have to work with, people get a lil to fired up over roster sizes sometimes... As long as all or most of the main characters are there, that's good enough IMO...

quote Ded Valve

quote Niemo

The character list is roughly 1/3 the size of Tenkaichi 3

You do realize that Tenkaichi 3 is a direct sequel to the last 2 and changed much of nothing making it really easy to make new characters.

Raging Blast is a direct sequel to Tenakaichi 3, only they felt the need to remove content. The excuse for this is "this is a whole new series and it's so hard to make a new game for the HD consoles". It's a pitiful excuse though.

quote Ded Valve

RB however had to start from the ground up, every character was rebuild since there is no "tenkaichi engine" to work on with the 360/PS3.
Besides I'd rather take a dozen original stylized characters than 100 generic characters which 80% of the roster knows the volleyball attack.

First of all, the "Tenkaichi engine" is indeed perfectly capable of running on the 360/PS3. What baffles me is why Spike decided to either modify (and break) the engine, or actually did decide to start from the ground up. As for the characters, they are no more unique amongst eachother in Raging Blast than they were in Tenkaichi 3. Yes, many characters had similar moves in Tenkaichi, but how do you fix that? Not by taking away characters to give the illusion of "more uniqueness" -- you simply add more moves for each character.

Besides, I'm a big fan of many of the characters that got axed. Now I know 99% of DBZ fans only care about the Saiyans and Kid Buu (who will be in every game), but it still sucks to see my mains go.

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quote Niemo

The camera is horrendous (you won't even see your opponent half the time). Seriously, WHAT IS GOING ON!?

I sometimes wonder if the camera was made on purpose. And it's not that bad, really the only time my opponent ever goes off screen is when he rushes quickly up or down to get the drop on me. Other than that it's usually fine, except in close combat when hugging walls but that's been in every Tenkaichi game thus far.

Whether or not it fits your defenition of "bad" or not doesn't change the fact that it's worse than Tenkaichi's... and that's saying something. I was kinda hoping the camera issues would have been made s bit better -- not a bit worse. Like you said, they might have done it on purpose, but I have no idea why they'd want to obstruct your view.

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quote Niemo

too bad the game itself is less fun.

How is the game less fun? Just because it lost a couple of original characters and a shitload of clones?

No amount of debating will be able to change our personal enjoyment with the game. I don't find it fun, but you do, so I respect that. One thing we can agree on is that we're both fans of Dragonball. And as fans, everyone is entitled to criticize the products they purchase. I criticize not because I hate DB, but because I want a better DB.

As for the characters, again I'll clarify that the characters in Raging Blast are just as "clonely" as the cast of Tenkaichi 3. Heck, both series have the characters performing their own unique animations which really, is good enough for a DBZ game. It's not as if the show is about anything other than fantasy, quick, brawling -- not real martial arts. Every character doesn't need different "moves", they just need different stats and specials -- just like the show.

Now heres the real question.....


Do you think Sagas > RB?

Mishimi, please. How does that question have anything to do with this discussion? You can't put the two together because they are two entirely different concepts.

After reading your post Niemo, you made me not want to buy this game and reassure myself of my first thought of this game. I only played BT1, and it was a quick through because I rented the game for two days. The game was good. I liked the idea of having it done 3D.

Then I played this game (well the demo at least), and felt it was BT1 all over again. I made points earlier in this forum about the game not being as fast pace as Budokai 3 was. Two other people came in saying the game was fast, and maybe I didn't see it that way because the map wasn't as narrow as Budokai 3 was. Well with you coming in and saying it wasn't as fast as BT3 made you back up my statement without me even having to play BT2, BT3, and even BT1 given that I only played it a couple of hours.

I don't think it's right that one should have to settle. If you want to be ignorant and blatantly bring up a comparison between a gaming system of today to those of a decade ago or longer is a pathetic excuse for reparation.
We're at different lengths than we were before, and with the technology of today at hand, surely they can put together a great game. People of today are to obsessed with money they'll whip up anything and make another game a year later to reel in more money. That is not what sequels are all about. Just take a look at MGS. Now the Kojima team now how to put together a game worth the money.

Wow Sly, I am surprised you would insult me after all the friendly conversations we had in the General Discussion thread and you even went so far as to say I was a nice person..... Then you say I am ignorant? You are a stand up guy, really... That was so necessary for you to say that.

Mere roster size issues alone do not dictate a good game, which is what my comparison was all about. Specifically the part about the roster size, I never even went into anything else he said because I haven't played it yet.... So what you said about technology and making a good game is irrelevant regarding what I said about mere roster size. Not only that but good games don't all need huge rosters of characters, regardless of what generation console the game is on. You should know that much... Now, what you said is valid when you consider all that the OP said, but I didn't talk about all of those issues, ONLY roster size...

And yeah, I know it has nothing to do with BT1 and RB, I was simply asking him if he would go so far as to say Sagas was a better game than this, because I am curious.... Two completely different games can be compared BTW.... It is perfectly acceptable to ask people "What do you like better as an overall fighting game? Street Fighter or Mortal Kombat?" so it is therefore fine to ask him what he thought of Sagas compared to this game... There is no rule that says they MUST be of the same franchise... Another example would be people asking "What do you like better Burger King or McDonalds?" Two completely different franchises, but it is a valid, acceptable question. Some people like McDonalds more than BK and vice versa. They both deal with burgers but are different franchises, and both of these games deal with DBZ, but different franchises.... So I see no problem with me asking him about Sagas....

Also, why put so much stock into what the OP said? No offense to the OP, his opinion is his opinion, but at least he formed his opinion from playing the actual game. Rather than going off of his opinion, why don't you play the game for yourself before you judge it? Doesn't matter if you played the demo, you still need to give the full game a chance as it is not the same exact thing as the demo as most demos leave certain things out, features and what not.... So playing the demo is not enough to judge the actual full game.... Saying his post made you not wanna get the game is rather silly, especially if you have never even played BT2 or BT3... You have been out of the gaming world too long to make a correct call on that like he did... And playing BT1 for a couple hours doesn't really put you in a place to judge it like that either.... Play the game first, if you still feel the same way, then that's fine.... But to say what you said having not even played the full game yet, much less you take the OP for his word when comparing it to BT3 when you never played BT3 is rather silly.... Form your own opinion... Just because he says it is slower than BT3 and such doesn't mean you will feel that way, come on now man.... Common sense... You wanna talk about being ignorant? I don't think you do....

If you want to be rude, go ahead, but I didn't think you of all people would be blatantly rude like that towards me stating a simple view/opinion and asking him a simple question..... I was never rude to him, so why be rude to me? I thought we were cool. That was totally uncalled for.

This message was edited by Mishimi on Nov 13 2009.

In all honesty I dont think people should be whinning saying that its so different. It may be a direct sequel but it is tenkaichi is not in the title dont expect everything to be like tenkaichi

I have no idea how the full game is, but after playing the demo I won't buy it. The reason I love BT3 and 2 is because they have a massive array of characters, transformations, flashy special moves, and ways to set up awesome combos. Raging blast just doesn't appeal to me. As you said, the camera sucks, and so does the control scheme, especially using the right analog stick to pull off special moves.

By the way, I just feel like pointing this out; Mishimi, Sly wasn't insulting you or calling you ignorant, just telling you that what you said is off topic. When a thread is created around a specific topic, you don't state some random question. I'm not trolling or anything but you shouldn't take it so seriously.