Anime Mafia 2 - Day Phase 2. Are you confused yet? - Page 18

Holy cannoli this thread moves fast.


And maybe we shouldn't pile up votes on people since we very little in way of evidence to go on. I don't even see meta-gaming as viable for a lynch.

quote luffyluffy

Vote: SSBM Freak

That's for taking down the breadcat

Oh yeah, YOU DID TAKE DOWN BREADCAT!!
sonofascum!!


Vote: ssbm freak


Okay seriously, I think while getting in a lynch is always productive in trimming off suspects the trade-off is we lose someone important possibly. Or someone who could possibly screw over mafia in our favor with some haxx awful ability (although I realize this isn't one of Kanon's games so I have no idea what kind of roles Elliot Gale has come up with). I'm in favor of pressuring some people, pushing for a lynch if it's suspicious in reaction enough but overall not really feeling we should lynch anyone today. That doesn't mean I want the day to end early just collect some info as some people suggested. But unless someone is just suspicious lets not just lynch someone for the sake of lynching, it could hurt us.



That said, if a bandwagon pops up I'm probably gonna hammer in the last vote for the fact that majority has decided on this.

I'm actually playing the game this time

I'd just like to throw out there that multiple days of No Lynch (As in deliberately not lynching someone after Day 1), is poor strategy. If you don't want to lynch anyone due to a lack of information, just don't vote. Actively pushing for nobody to be lynched in a day phase is a waste of town's strongest moment, the day phase. Day phase is when town, the uninformed majority, can gather information and use their majority to their benefit. Night phase is when the informed minority, the mafia, uses their knowledge and group abilities to their benefit. By even attempting to No Lynch after the first day, you're wasting crucial phases that town can use to gather information.

Oh yeah, and please stop asking for the investigator to claim right off the bat and carry you to victory. Playing a game of "follow the cop" is not interesting, and in most cases is simply counterproductive because it usually gets the cop killed afterwards, if not simply roleblocked for the rest of the game or who knows what? Maybe mafia has your protector/watcher pegged, and is going to roleblock them/kill the cop or vice versa the next day.

Anyway, one of the usual ways town gathers this information is by stacking a bunch of votes on someone deemed suspicious for one reason or another, thereby pressuring them to reveal information about themselves. Should they not reveal something that makes them not worth killing...they're killed.

PRESSURE PRESSURE PRESSURE GOGOGO.

Vote: ssbmfreak

(btw, having a wagon begin to form on you and suggesting other people it should be on is no bueno. Usually makes you look worse, nahmean?)

I'll be honest guys. I'm not gonna be giving this thread much attention for a week or two, which is ok considering you guys are more proactive this time around.

Just notify if you guys need me.

quote shadow warrior 9

Holy cannoli this thread moves fast.

And maybe we shouldn't pile up votes on people since we very little in way of evidence to go on. I don't even see meta-gaming as viable for a lynch.

Then do what I'm doing and just give everything the bare minimum attention.

From what I've read, they're simply pressuring ssbm. It'd be the same if we just jumped on someone randomly with questioning.

quote ssbm freak

Alright, then if you don't trust me by the time you need to kill that last cult/mafia/ Just shoot me. :3
It's too early to provide any evidence to protect myself or attack others.
So if this gives you the security blanket you need then feel free. ;D
If I divert you into attacking a townie with no substantial evidence then you can shoot me.

If you feel I'm scummy for telling you this and thinking that I'm using reverse psychology by killing "another mafia" in the hypothetical situation I am a mafia and trying to gain your trust. You can still shoot me later to save your suspicions. So as I stand I'll put myself in my own liberated group for the time being until I can prove my innocence as well as a short term goal while working with town.

SSBM Freak Aligned: Dude's just trying to prove his Innocence.
Wins if he proves it before there's only 1 mafia/cult left and town lynches him rather for right or wrong.

quote ssbm freak

Change Vote: Luffyluffy
Yer turn to talk. Were you in the write up?

This posts seems completely out of line to me. One second you are railing against providing information early in the game, then a few minutes pass and you're voting someone else asking for just that information. Do as I say, not as I do, eh?

Also the logic of "don't kill me till I'm the last mafia just in case" is super faulty logic and a very poor move for town as well as being a very easy route for scum to play. I won a game as scum doing that once, so yeah, don't trust it. (Unless I say it, when it's totally true! )

quote orez

Also, investigator shouldn't be outing himself on Day 1. Just paints a nice fat target over his head.

I agree in general, but spotting a killer and getting them early on is a very nice move for town. A gentle nudge would be better, but I'd say wrecking a kill day 2 would be a huge boon even if we have an outed investigator/tracker that needs protecting for the rest of the game. It also provides us with other avenues, such as watchers covering the investigator to get other scum who have no excuse for their actions.

Another bonus would be if that was the mafia kill, as we could then see the mafia roles and start painting a better picture of what claims are solid or not.

quote Insanity Prevails

I know we don't want to go through too many day phases with no lynch results but we don't want to aimlessly bandwagon lynch either or risk thinning our numbers and just making it easier for mafia to win.

That and ssbm freak made some pretty good observations.

So bbb7002004, you seem kinda eager to go offing people there. Any reason we should think you're not part of the informed mafia who's potentially realized the no lynch voters aren't part of that team?

Naturally, its because I'm a psychotic serial killer who wants you all dead, so I'll take whatever you give me.

In all seriousness, this post pretty much beat me to the punch:

quote HiKaRi

I'd just like to throw out there that multiple days of No Lynch (As in deliberately not lynching someone after Day 1), is poor strategy. If you don't want to lynch anyone due to a lack of information, just don't vote. Actively pushing for nobody to be lynched in a day phase is a waste of town's strongest moment, the day phase. Day phase is when town, the uninformed majority, can gather information and use their majority to their benefit. Night phase is when the informed minority, the mafia, uses their knowledge and group abilities to their benefit. By even attempting to No Lynch after the first day, you're wasting crucial phases that town can use to gather information.

Oh yeah, and please stop asking for the investigator to claim right off the bat and carry you to victory. Playing a game of "follow the cop" is not interesting, and in most cases is simply counterproductive because it usually gets the cop killed afterwards, if not simply roleblocked for the rest of the game or who knows what? Maybe mafia has your protector/watcher pegged, and is going to roleblock them/kill the cop or vice versa the next day.

Anyway, one of the usual ways town gathers this information is by stacking a bunch of votes on someone deemed suspicious for one reason or another, thereby pressuring them to reveal information about themselves. Should they not reveal something that makes them not worth killing...they're killed.

PRESSURE PRESSURE PRESSURE GOGOGO.

Vote: ssbmfreak

(btw, having a wagon begin to form on you and suggesting other people it should be on is no bueno. Usually makes you look worse, nahmean?)

Asking power roles to play the game while the rest follow along is not only dangerous for town, but incredibly boring for all players involved. Lots of stuff can interfere with town roles, and bad choices can put us in a bad situation quickly, which is why I rely on thread behavior and instinct above concrete "evidence". Mafia is a game of misdirection and deception anyway, so even abilities and writeups can be skewed to fool us.

Active towns win games, and are more fun to play in, simple as that.

I also provided my basic reasoning as well. No lynch votes so early on are foolish, and its reasonable to believe at least one of the three I outlined earlier are scum trying to "follow the leader" in hopes of getting into the night phase faster.

Finally, a mislynch here or there early in the game won't make town lose. While killing a power role with the lynch is probably the worst case scenario, stuff like that usually only happens to players who are inacitve or not helping town in the first place, rendering the power role useless to begin with. While loosing a townie is a shame, we still learn about the game as a whole and players in it, while narrowing the list of suspects for actual scum down by one. We can start building profiles on people and their play, look at vote counts and see trends, and frankly the less people we have the more likely we are to pickup on scum the next day just by simple math. Finally, it gives investigators, doctors, etc. more clues into how to act during the night phase, rather than blindly targeting a random player each night.

quote The Writer

You know, IP has a point.
Change vote: bbb7002004

Start a no lynch 4 hours into day 2, disappear for the questions asked of you, then pop in to lay a vote on the guy that brought pressure to you in the first place? Yeah, my vote is staying where it is. At least ssbm freak is giving us something to work with.

Give us something to work with here, Writer.

Just saying, HiKaRi may be wanting a random lynch because he knows from the previous game that there were a ton of power roles. And in the case he's scum he may just be trying to off someone knowing that it would only have extreme benefit if he were scum and wants everything to move faster so the night phase will come where his group is the strongest.

This "is" HiKaRi we're talking about after all.

quote ssbm freak

Either way I don't care anymore lol. Bandwagon lynch me. Do it.

quote The Writer

I don't feel that I have to right now. The only ones that even want me dead right now are you and SkX.

At this point I'm perfectly good with lynching either of you. You're either helping us or against us, and sitting around crying about not wanting to be under pressure is certainly not helping.

Seriously, I'm here to play the game, not sit around for an investigator to tell me how to vote. You both made a scummy move, and your defense of that move and your other play has inspired no confidence at all.

But hey, I'm one vote, ignore me if you want. Just realize how terrible it will make you look to everyone else, and don't pretend like you not cooperating at all makes you good for town to keep around.

Kill you? They only expressed concern about your suspicious behavior.

We still have plenty of time to look at other people, you're next on the list the moment we resolve ssbm's situation.

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That being said, practically everything ssbm has posted reeks of scum. He hasn't really tried to prove his innocence and instead tries to point fingers at others.

Sure, the initial reason was flimsy, but the way he's handling the situation, it looks like we might have an actual scum member.

What's the vote count at? If it's past half, I won't vote for ssbm yet, because I really want to look into The Writer.

quote bbb7002004

I agree in general, but spotting a killer and getting them early on is a very nice move for town. A gentle nudge would be better, but I'd say wrecking a kill day 2 would be a huge boon even if we have an outed investigator/tracker that needs protecting for the rest of the game. It also provides us with other avenues, such as watchers covering the investigator to get other scum who have no excuse for their actions.

What happens if the killer is a vig though? Honestly, at this point, if the investigator hasn't come up yet, they haven't found anything as of yet.

Plus, nothing is guaranteed during night phases, so I wouldn't bank on abilities to keep the investigator alive.

quote Kratos

Kill you? They only expressed concern about your suspicious behavior.

We still have plenty of time to look at other people, you're next on the list the moment we resolve ssbm's situation.

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That being said, practically everything ssbm has posted reeks of scum. He hasn't really tried to prove his innocence and instead tries to point fingers at others.

Sure, the initial reason was flimsy, but the way he's handling the situation, it looks like we might have an actual scum member.

What's the vote count at? If it's past half, I won't vote for ssbm yet, because I really want to look into The Writer.

quote bbb7002004

I agree in general, but spotting a killer and getting them early on is a very nice move for town. A gentle nudge would be better, but I'd say wrecking a kill day 2 would be a huge boon even if we have an outed investigator/tracker that needs protecting for the rest of the game. It also provides us with other avenues, such as watchers covering the investigator to get other scum who have no excuse for their actions.

What happens if the killer is a vig though? Honestly, at this point, if the investigator hasn't come up yet, they haven't found anything as of yet.

Plus, nothing is guaranteed during night phases, so I wouldn't bank on abilities to keep the investigator alive.

True, and I do agree that generally investigators shouldn't out themselves this early, but there are instances where the gains outweigh the risks. Specifically in this writeup I see only two kill attempts, one prevented by what's it's name spikebat angel thing and the other the kill on Jack. I'd be surprised to only see scum kill and one town kill, but that's just my gut feeling at this point.

quote The Writer

Looking back, that was pretty scummy of me. First of all, it wasn't you that put pressure on me. It was SjX. I didn't even know that you voted for me until I looked into it. I voted for you because IP brought up a good point.

And to reiterate my earlier point, it could be that you and SjX are trying to start a bandwagon lynch in order to protect SSBM. I know you say you're against SSBM, but how can I be sure that you're not just acting it out?

You may want to look through the thread again. Skx's post was more joking than anything else, and made before ssbm freak even voted no lynch. My post was specifically in response to the number of people voting no lynch in such a short time, voting you and notifying toast and ssbm. Skx can't be trying to cover someone who hadn't come under any scrutiny as of the time of his posting, and I'm the one who started the pressure to begin with, making it very unlikely that I'd be defending them.

It would be more likely that someone like Mastix is drawing attention towards ssbm to save you or toast, but I find that very un-probable as well.